HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Team_Spirit]

Dubois will be tired after 2 years of Hoffman, Price, Gally, Armia dead cap and bolt as a UFA lmao

 

[Sebastien]

What would it realistically take to land Dubois? Dvorak + Anderson + a B prospect like Harris or Mysak maybe?

Yeah because jets won't do this. Some of you are living a fantasy

 

[morhilane]

What would it realistically take to land Dubois? Dvorak + Anderson + a B prospect like Harris or Mysak maybe?

I don't feel like there is enough difference between Dubois and Dvorak to add Anderson to the equation. The Jets might not feel that way, but statistically the difference isn't that big (Anderson's value) and some people even think Dubois should play wing.

Saying that, dumping both Dvorak and Anderson would help the Habs cap space a lot without impacting the line-up that much since Dubois/Dach can replace Dvorak and Slaf/Dach/Dubois can replace Anderson.

Also, they apparently want a D prospect. Pick someone not named Hutson/Guhle from the LD pool, we got plenty of those.

 

[smirob]

I think they'd almost certainly need to include Guhle......which is tough

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah because jets won't do this. Some of you are living a fantasy

And you're living a fantasy ignoring that Dubois is on record at saying he will force his way to UFA in 2 years. And then a few weeks later, his agent says he does want to play for the Habs.

You clearly don't believe in leverage and a declining value asset as he heads towards UFA. You say we we are living a fantasy but how would you feel if we said you were ignorant?

 

[Draft]

Edmundson is from MB, considering all that’s gone on for his family, maybe moving closer to home is an attractive option? WPG can definitely use strong vets on defence.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't feel like there is enough difference between Dubois and Dvorak to add Anderson to the equation. The Jets might not feel that way, but statistically the difference isn't that big (Anderson's value) and some people even think Dubois should play wing.

Saying that, dumping both Dvorak and Anderson would help the Habs cap space a lot without impacting the line-up that much since Dubois/Dach can replace Dvorak and Slaf/Dach/Dubois can replace Anderson.

Also, they apparently want a D prospect. Pick someone not named Hutson/Guhle from the LD pool, we got plenty of those.

Ding, Ding, Ding. We got a winner. Dubois is worth more than Dvorak but the difference is not Anderson.

Jets can try to stand their ground all they want. The longer they wait, the worse it gets.

 

[jrom]

Gorton knows what’s up, he got Trouba the same way (from the Jets).

It was key that PLD’s agent publicly stated his client is interested in MTL (more leverage for HuGo).

 

[Habs Halifax]

Edmundson is from MB, considering all that’s gone on for his family, maybe moving closer to home is an attractive option? WPG can definitely use strong vets on defence.

I actually pondered that as well. However, I value Edmundson being with us to help shelter the young players and also groom them. Good leader to have.

If they insist on Eddy, they are not getting him for meh value in the package.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I'm leaning that way too. For as much as I like Dubois, I rather use pieces like Dach, Panthers 1st, and Kidney. Dvorak is in the package regardless.

Norlinder might be the better play but they won't value him that high.

I don’t think we need to rush into a Dubois trade. He’s gonna be a UFA in two years and that’s when we likely enter win now mode.

 

[Runner77]

I think they'd almost certainly need to include Guhle......which is tough

No deal, then.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

I don’t think we need to rush into a Dubois trade. He’s gonna be a UFA in two years and that’s when we likely enter win now mode.

His cap hit as a UFA in two years will be higher than as a RFA this year. He'll also be older at the end of the contract - more chance of decline.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Gorton knows what’s up, he got Trouba the same way (from the Jets).

It was key that PLD’s agent publicly stated his client is interested in MTL (more leverage for HuGo).

Agreed. It also went on for more than a year too where Jets finally moved Trouba with one RFA year left. Could happen as well with Dubois. Our offers only get less the closer he gets to UFA.

What GM other than the Habs GM is going to offer top value when he quit on two teams and said he wants to play for the Habs? Do they really gamble like the Jets did and trade for him where the try to convince him to stay? I think they would have to open the bank at $9M+ today to make him think about it in a sign/trade situation. Maybe Dubois considers that.

 

[jrom]

No deal, then.

Agreed, it’s either fleece because the player wants out or wait for UFA. Not worth it to pay actual market value to grab PLD.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No deal, then.

Agreed. Pretty simple. We are only interested if the cost is something we can live without and it's around what the Rangers paid for Trouba.

Leverage people. Get it through your thick skull

I don’t think we need to rush into a Dubois trade. He’s gonna be a UFA in two years and that’s when we likely enter win now mode.

We don't have to yes. I've been active with this and some of the annoying posters will think I'm obsessive with it. It's not the case.

I'm very interested but only with a price we can afford to live without and Dubois is willing to sign 7x7. Those posters who think Dubois should be offered value for his entire prime are off the rails.

 

[eklund the clown]

We don't need Dubois period

 

[HomaridII]

Honestly some people don't understand the idea of leverage. Thank god Hughes does.

We aren't a contending team, PLD has pretty much let it be known he is signing here as an UFA. We have all the leverage. Any players we send the Jets are as a salary dump to be able to sign him long term now, otherwise screw it. You can keep him jets abd see you in free agency.

It doesn't matter what in a normal world he would be worth in a trade. Who else is going to trade for him given his public stance about Montréal????

 

[Goldenhands]

I don't feel like there is enough difference between Dubois and Dvorak to add Anderson to the equation. The Jets might not feel that way, but statistically the difference isn't that big (Anderson's value) and some people even think Dubois should play wing.

Saying that, dumping both Dvorak and Anderson would help the Habs cap space a lot without impacting the line-up that much since Dubois/Dach can replace Dvorak and Slaf/Dach/Dubois can replace Anderson.

Also, they apparently want a D prospect. Pick someone not named Hutson/Guhle from the LD pool, we got plenty of those.

So replace Anderson by Edmundston maybe? Dvo + Edms + B prospect.

 

[Rapala]

I think they'd almost certainly need to include Guhle......which is tough

No it's actually very simple. Dubois was never in our rebuilding plans and we aren't about to send any of our top prospects anywhere to accommodate his whims. Hughes probably talked with Brisson if it's permissible and let him know that while we may have an interest we certainly aren't in a position to act on it this season. I don't think it's even worth discussing until we see a significant reduction to our Cap structure.

 

[Krett Bulak]

I love the proposals here for Dubois

Dvorak + Drouin + Norlinder type of trade ?? What the hell guys...

Let's move all our cap dumps + failing prospects for a star PPG player LOL

There is no way they trade PLD if it's not against a 1st round pick and another strong prospect like Guhle to even start the discussion

 

[DAChampion]

I love the proposals here for Dubois

Dvorak + Drouin + Norlinder type of trade ?? What the hell guys...

Let's move all our cap dumps + failing prospects for a star PPG player LOL

There is no way they trade PLD if it's not against a 1st round pick and another strong prospect like Guhle to even start the discussion

When did Dubois become a ppg player?

 

[ReHabs]

Capped league…

Winnipeg cannot find players to play for them. They don’t have cap issues as much as they have “we have to overpay all our players do they stay” issues.

Sending Andy+Dvo to Winnipeg is to do them a favour — they get two legitimate and already developed NHLers where they currently and will generally always have trouble acquiring.

 

[CaptainKirk]

I love the proposals here for Dubois

Dvorak + Drouin + Norlinder type of trade ?? What the hell guys...

Let's move all our cap dumps + failing prospects for a star PPG player LOL

There is no way they trade PLD if it's not against a 1st round pick and another strong prospect like Guhle to even start the discussion

I'm sure it would be more than our crap but they aren't paying full price. WPG may get nothing in 2 years.

 

[ReHabs]

I love the proposals here for Dubois

Dvorak + Drouin + Norlinder type of trade ?? What the hell guys...

Let's move all our cap dumps + failing prospects for a star PPG player LOL

There is no way they trade PLD if it's not against a 1st round pick and another strong prospect like Guhle to even start the discussion

Name some similar trades and what the package looked like.

It’s funny to see people overvalue trade values and be proven wrong time and time again. Pacioretty was dumped for ZERO return. It’s a buyer’s market.

We don't need Dubois period

We don’t need any good, established, NHL player. We could simply wait for our one in ten first round picks to develop into an NHLer and not bust. In about a hundred years we will have ten of them.

 

[morhilane]

When did Dubois become a ppg player?

You haven't heard? He's the star ppg player who never managed more than 61 pts in 82 games!