Confirmed with Link: Trade: Pierre-Luc Dubois to Washington for Darcy Kuemper… the trade is one for one
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30 goals??? PLD has never scored 30 goals so far and he's been in the league for 7 sevens wants makes you think he can score 30???
twabby
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I much prefer this move than signing like Elias Lindholm or whatever.
Don't have time to analyze charts yet. I am still a bit in shock. They bought low in terms of trade assets which is always a good thing. But his salary is high, which is bad (but may not matter). A land of contrasts
Edit: I looked into PLD more. I don't like this move.
Don't have time to analyze charts yet. I am still a bit in shock. They bought low in terms of trade assets which is always a good thing. But his salary is high, which is bad (but may not matter). A land of contrasts
Edit: I looked into PLD more. I don't like this move.
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Hivemind
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Yes! Nobody would be happy about taking on his contract for the next 7 years, with a full NTC, at a full $8.5M with no retention.
It's the very same reason you didn't see people around here demanding the Capitals take on Barclay Goodrow's contract via waivers. He's a useful player, but his contract was simply more than he's worth.
No, because that implies that his "tryout" (actually a 1 year deal if we're using Strome as the basis) went well and, more importantly, the resulting contract is a heck of a lot less than $8.5M. These aren't similar situations. Moreover, this could have been the exact situation to occur if Washington didn't swoop in and give Blake a chance to get out of the PLD contract without any retention. There was a lot of speculation that PLD could get bought-out (given that he was eligible for a 1/3 buyout) if the Kings couldn't find a taker.
It wasn't free! They had to take back an even worse contract. You can't justify this deal on shedding a bad contract if they took back a worse contract, with a higher cap hit, that has twice as long remaining.
Also, claiming Darcy would take (multiple!?!) 1st round picks to dump isn't based in reality. Mrazek only took moving down from 25 to 38 to get rid of 2years @ $3.8M.
Misery74
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Please outline your trade ideas for Necas (in division) and Ehlers.
Hivemind
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Short memory? They literally had Pacioretty block a trade to the Rangers this season because of a NMC.
Ovechkins Wodka
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Hivemind
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And they just had $59.5M over 7 seasons dumped on them. Think about that.
Misery74
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One guy can help us win games, one can’t. Kuemper is terrible.
Misery74
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Not a meltdown, just curious. You seem like an interesting idea man.Nope. Im good. Watching your melt down by coming at me is effing hilarious.
Hivemind
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If the justification for acquiring PLD is that his 2023-24 season is an outlier and they're hoping for a bounce back so that he can help them win games (and a 40 point player eating $8.5M in cap hit is not going to help them win games, see Kuznetsov), then the same logic can be applied to Kuemper. Kuemper had a terrible 2023-24 season, nobody contests that. But he has a long track record of being a solid NHL goaltender that suggest 2023-24 was an outlier*.
Moreover, this is still missing the point that you can't celebrate dumping a contract if you take a worse contract back in the process. You're the team being dumped a contract on at that point, and they didn't even get any payment to take on that contract.
*Fire Scott Murray.
Langway
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Could being the operative word. While he's on the younger side they do need consistency and reliability and it's tough to know what exactly they're getting here. His age doesn't explain the variability and glaring questions. Even with generous usage that assumes he responds and lives up to such a role I'm not sure the defensive upside is what you'd want. At this stage of the game I'm not sure skilling it up gets this group too far. It makes sense under current objectives to go with a bigger, higher upside option than CMM/Lapierre next season but...this is an awfully large bet to make. We'll see what Carbery can get out of him but it does seem an awful lot like signing up for seven years of Mantha at center, where disengagement will be much tougher to hide. That said, the UFA center group is not great and finding that 1C via UFA is so rare. The chance of trading for one in exchange for a goaltender no longer really needed makes a certain amount of sense. But, man, PLD will need to really reinvent himself in DC.
For a 6'4'' 225 lbs center he seems awkward and lighter on his skates than you'd expect. Odd talent. Odd player. Could be a 30-30 guy or more on a one-and-done sort of team I guess but hoping for a legit top tier center waiting to be unleashed seems like wishful thinking. Of course they need one post-Backstrom but...their need doesn't make it so. Hell of a project.
They're going to need to do yet more. They should have about $6M to spend on one upgrade even if Oshie returns, though it very shortly also becomes a numbers game up front. If Oshie hangs them up they'll have Guentzel money. If not it's hard to say who they ought to go after in that range. They shouldn't hand out much term to a right shot winger so you'd think a LW makes more sense. Bertuzzi? DeBrusk? Options of that ilk are about what I'd expect barring more trades. They could also go for Laine while they're at it, esp. if Oshie LTIRes, but probably shouldn't go too far down that road all at once.
Misery74
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Kuemper has been bad his two years here. No playoffs in year 1, unplayable in year 2. Lindgren played back to back down the stretch. Kuemper was never a consideration to play.
PLD is 25. I think understand your concerns, but he’s got the goods. It’s the heart.
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Ovechkins Wodka
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Value wise we could have asked for some sweeteners to make up for the extra money. Or made them retain. GMBM is def not the trade shark GMGM was
SherVaughn30
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PLD 1C
Strome 2C
CMM 3C
Dowd 4C
HL can be gradually developed as a spot center and play wing.
Man, don't be giving GM cred. His trades were either fleece the other team, some meh trades or awful trades.
Hivemind
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Missing the playoffs in 2022-23 was not Kuemper's fault. He was an above average goalie that season (6.41 GSAA, 96 GA%-) and outplayed Lindgren significantly (.908 vs .899 sv%). Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with moving on from Kuemper, but trying to use the "2023-24 was an outlier" argument falls flat as a defense of PLD when the same defense applies to Kuemper.
Kuznetsov had the goods. Mantha had the goods. Yet this team shed them and did better for it. PLD is 25 and has spent 7 years in the NHL and is heading to his fourth franchise. He is what he is at this point. I don't want to get all "aging curves" like Twabby, but I'm not expecting PLD to find another gear at age 26 or 27.
StrikingDistance
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Like someone else said, I see this as a net 3+mil cost.
We got rid of Darcy, which I recall close to 100% of this forum was desiring. I didn't think any team would want him and the Caps need goals...checks notes...nope, Darcy wasn't going to help with that.
I'll wait until PLD plays 20-30 games before I start complaining.
But the trade is already paying dividends here. The same doubters, the same story-line, blah blah blah.
We got rid of Darcy, which I recall close to 100% of this forum was desiring. I didn't think any team would want him and the Caps need goals...checks notes...nope, Darcy wasn't going to help with that.
I'll wait until PLD plays 20-30 games before I start complaining.
But the trade is already paying dividends here. The same doubters, the same story-line, blah blah blah.
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I see this as if he’s good, awesome, if he’s not , who cares. Caps aren’t contenders. If they make some other moves this summer that makes them a contender somehow then yeas sure we can say why did they do that first trade. Glad kuemper is gone. Hoping Charlie can hold being number 1 slated in. The money really doesn’t matter at all unless they drastically change inprove the team for the next 3 seasons
Carlzner
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Guentzel would be perfect with Leonard but I think there’s no chance that happens.
They still have the assets to make a trade, this cost them less than nothing
wickedwitch
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My first thought is that this allows us to trade McMichael, Strome, or Lapierre.
It's also a high risk/high reward move, which, given the Caps current state, makes sense.
It's also a high risk/high reward move, which, given the Caps current state, makes sense.
Alexander the Gr8
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I hate this move. Can’t stand whiny PLD, and didn’t want anything to do with his massive contract. We’re on the hook for 5 years past Ovi’s projected retirement date.
We finally got rid of Kuzy and his attitude issues, only to bring in an even bigger problem in the mix.
This isn’t the player we want our prospects to look up to.
We finally got rid of Kuzy and his attitude issues, only to bring in an even bigger problem in the mix.
This isn’t the player we want our prospects to look up to.
BiPolar Caps
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The biggest thing that sucks about all of this, is the reality that in a few weeks when such trades go down, we won't be able to immediately go to CapFriendly and see how it impacts a team's cap space etc..
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