Steve Yzerlland
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KJoe88
Forever Lost.
His time has come and gone.
Regardless Stevie won’t trade for a guy he let go of.
Henkka
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While I got nuthin against Bert - he more or less soiled himself regarding his business relations with Yzerman and the Red Wings.
With the way they're playing and will need to continue to play to make the playoffs, you almost wonder if making any changes/additions throws the team out of sync that it's just not worth it...
Oddbob
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Because he is toast. 8 pts this year in 47 or so games. At least if we play Klim he can give us a physical presence.
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I wouldn't change anything at forward. Our forward group has really good chemistry right now.
I think you can safely jettison Holl, Ghost, or Maatta without affecting the team negatively. I think the forwards would welcome having someone dependable on the back end to cover for them.
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Henkka
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If I really have to think adding some important piece...
...it's a defensive Right-side RH defenceman.
Left-side we have depth and youth incoming, multiple guys. But the Right side is a weakness, Petry has been ok, holl not so good, or Gostisbehere playing on "wrong" side.
For long-term stability, Red Wings won't have RHD on the pipeline yet, Pellikka takes years and Petry is old. Seider is the Norris defenceman, but you would need a solid and in-prime guy to the 2nd pair, and then slot Petry to 3rd pair.
I don't know who are in the market, only vet name I saw was Chris Tanev. Maybe Erik Gudbranson too, but I'm not sure is he anymore any better than Holl.
...it's a defensive Right-side RH defenceman.
Left-side we have depth and youth incoming, multiple guys. But the Right side is a weakness, Petry has been ok, holl not so good, or Gostisbehere playing on "wrong" side.
For long-term stability, Red Wings won't have RHD on the pipeline yet, Pellikka takes years and Petry is old. Seider is the Norris defenceman, but you would need a solid and in-prime guy to the 2nd pair, and then slot Petry to 3rd pair.
I don't know who are in the market, only vet name I saw was Chris Tanev. Maybe Erik Gudbranson too, but I'm not sure is he anymore any better than Holl.
LongTimeDRWF
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Rasmus Andersson on the Flames is someone we should look at as a target, we have Gibson, ASP and Tuomisto in pipeline, and let's not forget Cleveland in the mix
Henkka
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Cleveland if lefty, if you were talking about righties only.Rasmus Andersson on the Flames is someone we should look at as a target, we have Gibson, ASP and Tuomisto in pipeline, and let's not forget Cleveland in the mix
LongTimeDRWF
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I know, but we have to bring him up every now and then, just because 
and I truly hope he makes me eat crow someday
newfy
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Posted this in the other rumour thread but maybe we should have a singular trade deadline thread now that its close.
A couple guys on teams that seem to fit a tough D that can actually play and mmight get moved are Lauzon, Seeler, Lyubushkin and Dumba.
I could see a PKer being added like Duhaime so that theyre tougher to play against come playoff time as well. A "Kostin" that can PK essentially, so he will be in the lineup each night
A couple guys on teams that seem to fit a tough D that can actually play and mmight get moved are Lauzon, Seeler, Lyubushkin and Dumba.
I could see a PKer being added like Duhaime so that theyre tougher to play against come playoff time as well. A "Kostin" that can PK essentially, so he will be in the lineup each night
KasperTheGrittyGhost
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Completely agree. I’d be calling Seattle on Adam Larsson. Can’t imagine a better mid-term solution for this playoff run and Ed breaking into the league.
Been seeing ppl bring up bertuzzi... just finished listening to 32 thoughts podcast where they mentioned guentzel again and then Friedman brought up mantha being a trade option again with the way hes been playing , mark thought he was thinking of the wings as an option and friedman said more so for Oilers
mantha for a 2nd crazy thought?? Cant cost too much
.. hes capable of being a 30 goal guy and had chemistry with Larkin if I recall and would allow debrincat and kane to stick together
Mantha Larkin raymond
Debrincat compher kane
Rasmussen copp perron
Fabbri veleno sprong
Kostin Fischer
Could work ? I know it's like 99%chance doesn't happen but after listening to the podcast it had me thinking
mantha for a 2nd crazy thought?? Cant cost too much
.. hes capable of being a 30 goal guy and had chemistry with Larkin if I recall and would allow debrincat and kane to stick together
Mantha Larkin raymond
Debrincat compher kane
Rasmussen copp perron
Fabbri veleno sprong
Kostin Fischer
Could work ? I know it's like 99%chance doesn't happen but after listening to the podcast it had me thinking
Winged Wheel Willy
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Don't know how good Dumba still is. But I would very much like a rhd who can push Petry down to the 3rd pairing. He hasnt been bad but that would suite him much better than top4. And then you can move Maatta or Ghost.
TheOctopusKid
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I agree that it's probably is the 2nd Pair RHD for the next year 3yrs that is painfully missing at the moment.
Chariot is better suited playing the Left side, although they have used him on the right, Ghost isn't a longterm answer despite playing the Off-hand right side, he's a PP specialist and doesn't really play D. Holl has been a complete non-factor up until this point and seems better served to be playing 3rd pair/Pressbox as a depth D, unfortunately we added Petry to fill that role for us and he also can't do much more either.
Assuming some of this logjam clears up, really either pushing Petry to full-time inactive or casually suggesting he take a long look at retirement after he got his childhood dream season of playing for the Wings, letting Ghost walk, that still would leave us with:
Walman - Seider
Maatta - ?
Chiarot - Holl
Make room for Ed and/or AlJo for the callup - I expect to see one of them in lineup next year right out of camp, and that really forces the issue with Maatta probably being on the way out. Still doesn't solve our RHD 2nd Pair issue unless you want to move Holl up (woof), or Chiarot over to his off-hand (also woof).
In a perfect world, I would be look very hard at trying to score Pesce from Carolina. 29yo, great shutdown D, very strong two-way skater; isn't the sharpest in the offensive zone but is about as good of a defensive D as you're going to find.
If we could offload Petry (retirement), and move up AlJo as our 7th, in a rotation with Chiarot and Holl, move Maatta, that would have us looking at:
Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce
Chiarot - Johansson
Holl
Getting a Brett Pesce at what...5.5 for 4ish? (Dumba at 6Mx5 at 26 in 2018 as the comp); he is the perfect partner for someone like Edvinsson to let him flex, join the rush, make mistakes as Pesce is hardworking, fast, steady, positionally sound, can skate and keep up, but likes to block shots, and be a great defensive shutdown guy.
I would say that the TDL is also unlikely given CAR is going to make a run; but CAR is also a weirdo team in that they have a lot of internal scouting that deviates strongly from traditional league thinking, and a "New England Patriots" style - internal valuation in dollars for each player they won't exceed. So a guy like Pesce, who seems to have hit that in terms of what he wants and what they are willing to give him (hence they couldn't come to terms on an extension), they know he's walking for a bigger deal than they are comfortable allocated. So, they are crazy and strange enough to trade him at the deadline as long as they could secure an asset they value and replace him with something they value and could help them in their run. So I wouldn't rule out a TDL move either with them .
Anyway, that would be the move I would try to make with them if I were because of their own internal valuation. Could you get something like Pesce for Ghost or Holl plus picks and prospects with them?; Could you get them something like... Holl + Berggren for Pesce and they've be willing to make the move because they were going to lose Pesce this offseason regardless, it fills their massively depleted D core with a vet in his prime, Holl waives to go to the 2nd best team in the east, and CAR gets a cheap middle six winger with upside?
Chariot is better suited playing the Left side, although they have used him on the right, Ghost isn't a longterm answer despite playing the Off-hand right side, he's a PP specialist and doesn't really play D. Holl has been a complete non-factor up until this point and seems better served to be playing 3rd pair/Pressbox as a depth D, unfortunately we added Petry to fill that role for us and he also can't do much more either.
Assuming some of this logjam clears up, really either pushing Petry to full-time inactive or casually suggesting he take a long look at retirement after he got his childhood dream season of playing for the Wings, letting Ghost walk, that still would leave us with:
Walman - Seider
Maatta - ?
Chiarot - Holl
Make room for Ed and/or AlJo for the callup - I expect to see one of them in lineup next year right out of camp, and that really forces the issue with Maatta probably being on the way out. Still doesn't solve our RHD 2nd Pair issue unless you want to move Holl up (woof), or Chiarot over to his off-hand (also woof).
In a perfect world, I would be look very hard at trying to score Pesce from Carolina. 29yo, great shutdown D, very strong two-way skater; isn't the sharpest in the offensive zone but is about as good of a defensive D as you're going to find.
If we could offload Petry (retirement), and move up AlJo as our 7th, in a rotation with Chiarot and Holl, move Maatta, that would have us looking at:
Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce
Chiarot - Johansson
Holl
Getting a Brett Pesce at what...5.5 for 4ish? (Dumba at 6Mx5 at 26 in 2018 as the comp); he is the perfect partner for someone like Edvinsson to let him flex, join the rush, make mistakes as Pesce is hardworking, fast, steady, positionally sound, can skate and keep up, but likes to block shots, and be a great defensive shutdown guy.
I would say that the TDL is also unlikely given CAR is going to make a run; but CAR is also a weirdo team in that they have a lot of internal scouting that deviates strongly from traditional league thinking, and a "New England Patriots" style - internal valuation in dollars for each player they won't exceed. So a guy like Pesce, who seems to have hit that in terms of what he wants and what they are willing to give him (hence they couldn't come to terms on an extension), they know he's walking for a bigger deal than they are comfortable allocated. So, they are crazy and strange enough to trade him at the deadline as long as they could secure an asset they value and replace him with something they value and could help them in their run. So I wouldn't rule out a TDL move either with them .
Anyway, that would be the move I would try to make with them if I were because of their own internal valuation. Could you get something like Pesce for Ghost or Holl plus picks and prospects with them?; Could you get them something like... Holl + Berggren for Pesce and they've be willing to make the move because they were going to lose Pesce this offseason regardless, it fills their massively depleted D core with a vet in his prime, Holl waives to go to the 2nd best team in the east, and CAR gets a cheap middle six winger with upside?
SY threw Mantha into the garbage because he is lazy... zero chance he brings him back
TheOctopusKid
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To add to this, Mantha has shown literally nothing on the Caps, regardless of his price, that would indicate that he is better, more complete, or more consistent than what he was before. If anything, given how LONG the Caps have been trying to trade him, and how he has gone on long spells of being benched... he's gotten worse. His last three season despite looking totally and completely disengaged despite getting time in the first two seasons with their top lines - he's had 25ish pts per season.
No thank you
WingsToPick4th
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Would love to see us trade for 2 guys
1 top 6er to play with Raymond (vatrano)
1 greasy mutt D man Lauzon (league leader in hits)
1 top 6er to play with Raymond (vatrano)
1 greasy mutt D man Lauzon (league leader in hits)
Henkka
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Was just trying to find some physical forward, and Duhaime seemed the best. Like can play some special role, PK at least. Has 4th most fightin majors and his penalty diffferential is positive.
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ricky0034
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Yzerman isn't trading to get Mantha back at this point but the way people are talking like he was waived from here or something is a pretty big mischaracterization of what was actually a pretty hefty trade return
plus Yzerman also gave him a 4 year extension at almost 6 million a year like 6 months before trading him
plus Yzerman also gave him a 4 year extension at almost 6 million a year like 6 months before trading him
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