Trade Ideas

[datsyukfan]

Would anyone do Veleno and Berggren for vatrano. Part of me would but I still like both of those guys. To me Veleno was our best player last night

 

[Henkka]

It's insane, how Yzerman traded damaged goods Mantha for another damaged goods in Vrana... and we still have Jake Walman and Sebastian Cossa +4th round pick left from that trade tree.

 

[Detroit Knights]

We're all old and senile with dementia and keep saying the same thing over and over. At least I have company now, so I don't feel so lonely.

brother, I have always been in your company, i was just silent for awhile

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

man, how good would this team be if vrana was able to get his sh*t together with us like sprong has?

debrincat - larkin - kane
vrana - compher - raymond
rasmussen - copp - fischer
fabbri - veleno - sprong

 

[RRhoads]

I think Ghost is the only Dman I would get rid of right now

It's insane, how Yzerman traded damaged goods Mantha for another damaged goods in Vrana... and we still have Jake Walman and Sebastian Cossa +4th round pick left from that trade tree.

And Buchelnikov

 

[Detroit Knights]

Ra

Rasmus Andersson on the Flames is someone we should look at as a target, we have Gibson, ASP and Tuomisto in pipeline, and let's not forget Cleveland in the mix

Honestly, I think yzerman goes after tanev at this point. if these "insiders" have any actual details, they think yzerman is going to go after a tougher defenseman. If that means a right sided d, then I think he goes for tanev since hanifin probably costs a lot more.

Not what I want by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't hate it at all. I really hope ghost is gone now because his last two games have been just absolutely terrible, especially against chicago.

Posted this in the other rumour thread but maybe we should have a singular trade deadline thread now that its close.

A couple guys on teams that seem to fit a tough D that can actually play and mmight get moved are Lauzon, Seeler, Lyubushkin and Dumba.

I could see a PKer being added like Duhaime so that theyre tougher to play against come playoff time as well. A "Kostin" that can PK essentially, so he will be in the lineup each night

That's why I suggested scott laughton a month or so ago. He plays PK and is one of the best in the league right now at it. Is also a grittier kind of guy as well.

 

[datsyukfan]

Honestly, I think yzerman goes after tanev at this point. if these "insiders" have any actual details, they think yzerman is going to go after a tougher defenseman. If that means a right sided d, then I think he goes for tanev since hanifin probably costs a lot more.

Not what I want by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't hate it at all. I really hope ghost is gone now because his last two games have been just absolutely terrible, especially against chicago.


That's why I suggested scott laughton a month or so ago. He plays PK and is one of the best in the league right now at it. Is also a grittier kind of guy as well.

How was ghost awful against the blues? He sucked last night

 

[Detroit Knights]

I agree that it's probably is the 2nd Pair RHD for the next year 3yrs that is painfully missing at the moment.

Chariot is better suited playing the Left side, although they have used him on the right, Ghost isn't a longterm answer despite playing the Off-hand right side, he's a PP specialist and doesn't really play D. Holl has been a complete non-factor up until this point and seems better served to be playing 3rd pair/Pressbox as a depth D, unfortunately we added Petry to fill that role for us and he also can't do much more either.

Assuming some of this logjam clears up, really either pushing Petry to full-time inactive or casually suggesting he take a long look at retirement after he got his childhood dream season of playing for the Wings, letting Ghost walk, that still would leave us with:

Walman - Seider
Maatta - ?
Chiarot - Holl

Make room for Ed and/or AlJo for the callup - I expect to see one of them in lineup next year right out of camp, and that really forces the issue with Maatta probably being on the way out. Still doesn't solve our RHD 2nd Pair issue unless you want to move Holl up (woof), or Chiarot over to his off-hand (also woof).

In a perfect world, I would be look very hard at trying to score Pesce from Carolina. 29yo, great shutdown D, very strong two-way skater; isn't the sharpest in the offensive zone but is about as good of a defensive D as you're going to find.

If we could offload Petry (retirement), and move up AlJo as our 7th, in a rotation with Chiarot and Holl, move Maatta, that would have us looking at:

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce
Chiarot - Johansson
Holl

Getting a Brett Pesce at what...5.5 for 4ish? (Dumba at 6Mx5 at 26 in 2018 as the comp); he is the perfect partner for someone like Edvinsson to let him flex, join the rush, make mistakes as Pesce is hardworking, fast, steady, positionally sound, can skate and keep up, but likes to block shots, and be a great defensive shutdown guy.

I would say that the TDL is also unlikely given CAR is going to make a run; but CAR is also a weirdo team in that they have a lot of internal scouting that deviates strongly from traditional league thinking, and a "New England Patriots" style - internal valuation in dollars for each player they won't exceed. So a guy like Pesce, who seems to have hit that in terms of what he wants and what they are willing to give him (hence they couldn't come to terms on an extension), they know he's walking for a bigger deal than they are comfortable allocated. So, they are crazy and strange enough to trade him at the deadline as long as they could secure an asset they value and replace him with something they value and could help them in their run. So I wouldn't rule out a TDL move either with them .

Anyway, that would be the move I would try to make with them if I were because of their own internal valuation. Could you get something like Pesce for Ghost or Holl plus picks and prospects with them?; Could you get them something like... Holl + Berggren for Pesce and they've be willing to make the move because they were going to lose Pesce this offseason regardless, it fills their massively depleted D core with a vet in his prime, Holl waives to go to the 2nd best team in the east, and CAR gets a cheap middle six winger with upside?

I fully see aljo making the team next year pretty easily as long as there is space. Edvinsson will probably make the team but I think his guarantee is actually less than aljo's right now. aljo is just killing it right now and did the same thing last year before he got hurt.

Again, Edvinsson's ceiling is much higher, but aljo's floor is much higher than edvinsson's right now. An even bigger leap? I think we should potentially trade walman in a deal for hanifin/maatta so we can bring up aljo. Or at least start of next season:

Ed - Seider
hanifin - petry
aljo - chiarot

Then, hopefully asp plays in GR 24-25 and could push for Petry's spot after his contract is up making this lineup as a pretty deep one

Ed - seider
hanifin - asp
aljo - chiarot/x

Would absolutely love these two lineups. I put aljo on his own line vs with seider because I think he could potentially anchor his own line while edvinsson may need more help in the beginning. Aljo won't really need a veteran to take the pressure off where I think in the beginning ed will need that help and then be able to transition later, or just stay with seider and form an amazing top pairing that would rival hedman-sergachev...

 

[Henkka]

How good is Pavel Buchevich?

Buchnevich is having a bit of off-year at 2023-24, but he has been over point-per game player 2 seasons before.

Not power-play guy but huge force 5-on-5. His stats will remind me a lot of Marian Hossa. Let's complete the "chicago way", doing another robbery from the Blues.

 

[datsyukfan]

Friedman just mentioned Joel edmunson as a possibility for Detroit. It was on the Jeff marek show

 

[WingsToPick4th]

How good is Pavel Buchevich?

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Buchnevich is having a bit of off-year at 2023-24, but he has been over point-per game player 2 seasons before.

Not power-play guy but huge force 5-on-5. His stats will remind me a lot of Marian Hossa. Let's complete the "chicago way", doing another robbery from the Blues.

Would love buch but they are saying he will cost multiple 1sts or like 1st + Kasper + Wallinder which is too much for a 29 year old winger

 

[Detroit Knights]

How was ghost awful against the blues? He sucked last night

Lately, the way he plays on the pp is quite infuriating. He makes really poor passes/judgment. He winds up for a one timer, but he isn't a the top of the slot where his shot is very lethal, no, he is on the blue line in the corner of the zone. Literally the farthest away you could possibly be in the o-zone. Then he ends up not even shooting it and get's semi-caught from a rushing defender and either loses the puck or barely get's it to someone and they have to restart the momentum.

He always was bad with the passing. He loves to try and thread that needle through 6 legs and 6 sticks but he is never successful.

 

[Ricelund]

Friedman just mentioned Joel edmunson as a possibility for Detroit. It was on the Jeff marek show

I think we have enough Edmundsons on this team already.

More Edvinssons, less Edmundsons.

 

[datsyukfan]

I think we have enough Edmundsons on this team already.

More Edvinssons, less Edmundsons.

I agree, just posting the info that’s out there

 

[Henkka]

Would love buch but they are saying he will cost multiple 1sts or like 1st + Kasper + Wallinder which is too much for a 29 year old winger

I think that could be completed without losing a young Center.

1st + Berggren + prospect D etc.

Add Fabbri there, to open capspace. For Adam Larsson.

Quantity for quality.

Buchnevich is still only 5.8M guy for next season. Huge bargain.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

I think we have enough Edmundsons on this team already.

More Edvinssons, less Edmundsons.

Yeah he’s another LHD too not sure we need him

 

[Henkka]

I think we have enough Edmundsons on this team already.

More Edvinssons, less Edmundsons.

Yeah, some of the Capitals' Righties would interest more. Edmundson is another wood-handed lefty. Maybe worse version of Chiarot. A bit more physical Määttä.

 

[datsyukfan]

Yeah, some of the Capitals' Righties would interest more. Edmundson is another wood-handed lefty. Maybe worse version of Chiarot. A bit more physical Määttä.

Ya and I’ve loved maatta’s game lately

 

[raymond23]

How good is Pavel Buchevich?

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Buchnevich is having a bit of off-year at 2023-24, but he has been over point-per game player 2 seasons before.

Not power-play guy but huge force 5-on-5. His stats will remind me a lot of Marian Hossa. Let's complete the "chicago way", doing another robbery from the Blues.

Absolutely my #1 target, especially if we're giving up Berggren

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

man, how good would this team be if vrana was able to get his sh*t together with us like sprong has?

debrincat - larkin - kane
vrana - compher - raymond
rasmussen - copp - fischer
fabbri - veleno - sprong

What?

He is a disaster..he needs to get his actual life, not his hockey life, back on track at home in Slovakia and forget about hockey altogether

 

[Ricelund]

What?

He is a disaster..he needs to get his actual life, not his hockey life, back on track at home in Slovakia and forget about hockey altogether

I think @AlwaysSunnyInDetroit is just imagining the lineup with Vrana in it had he gotten his shit together and not gone off the rails.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

What?

He is a disaster..he needs to get his actual life, not his hockey life, back on track at home in Slovakia and forget about hockey altogether

yea, that's kind of what i meant when i said 'get his shit together.'

 

[Detroit Knights]

I think @AlwaysSunnyInDetroit is just imagining the lineup with Vrana in it had he gotten his shit together and not gone off the rails.

yea, that's kind of what i meant when i said 'get his shit together.'

I think it was literally said in the post

boys...your never going to believe this:

man, how good would this team be if vrana was able to get his sh*t together with us like sprong has?

debrincat - larkin - kane
vrana - compher - raymond
rasmussen - copp - fischer
fabbri - veleno - sprong

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I like the players but Buchnevich or Guentzel feel like moves just to make one.

Also agree with the no thanks on Edmunson. That makes no sense.

But.

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[Ricelund]

This is the move.