Trade Ideas

[letsgowings9999]

Very true but Sprong is still relatively cheap 4 million a year and Wings know what he can deliver. Where someone like Turcotte is a complete question mark, trading Sprong away and trading for Turcotte would be negative asset management.

How's that a bad thing, that bottom-6 player racks up 40-50 points? Do you really want to keep tanking? That ship has sailed, 2 years ago. Being bad intentionally would ruin the culture what management has been building since day 1.

Wings have 2nd or 3rd most comeback wins in the league and i believe GR is also high on that list in AHL. That speaks of right culture and high character.

Larkin, Ray, Cat, Kane and Seider alone will keep Wings away from the basement. Give them more ammo, do not take it away from them.

Like sprong but I dont think we can give a 4th liner 4+ ... I'd go 2.5 x3 maybe stretch out an extra 100k but anyways

Turcotte on a 4th line wouldnt work hed have to be given an opportunity on the 3rd and if he doesn't work off on waivers he goes ... I'm not willing to give up a big price for him ... kakko is another story and he would at least be able to play regularly

Never said having a 40 pt bottom line guy is a bad thing I just wouldn't be giving out 4-5

I dont think we'd be bottom 5 in the league even without kane back, too many bad teams atm. I like our d and we have another top 4 guy in edvinsson coming in not sure any of our forward prospects can be a ppg guy or a big power forward

I think berggren can be a 50-60 pt guy and for some reason we want to throw him away for nothing it seems

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

He's a UFA . What's the obsession with paying for a UFA lol. NHL is weird lol.

Because you get him for several months and you get exclusive negotiating rights for him (and if you're giving up any kind of significant assets, you're clearly pretty ceratin he'll sign with you.

Basically, it's cheap AAV wise with a higher likelihood you lock up the play. THAT's the obsession with paying for a UFA.

 

[SantosHalper]

Like sprong but I dont think we can give a 4th liner 4+ ... I'd go 2.5 x3 maybe stretch out an extra 100k but anyways

Turcotte on a 4th line wouldnt work hed have to be given an opportunity on the 3rd and if he doesn't work off on waivers he goes ... I'm not willing to give up a big price for him ... kakko is another story and he would at least be able to play regularly

Wings got the cap space and it would only be 2 year deal, it's very moveable contract and 2 years from now Wings can afford to retain $.

Problem is that if Turcotte fails, somebody has to replace him and that someone also has to be able to replace Sprong's numbers too. If the kids ain't ready, they have acquire someone via trade or take another wildcard from the waivers. And it's unlikely that someone trades their players 20-30 games in.
There is just too much uncertainty operating this way. It's better to keep Sprong, unless he's looking +5m$.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Wings got the cap space and it would only be 2 year deal, it's very moveable contract and 2 years from now Wings can afford to retain $.

Problem is that if Turcotte fails, somebody has to replace him and that someone also has to be able to replace Sprong's numbers too. If the kids ain't ready, they have acquire someone via trade or take another wildcard from the waivers. And it's unlikely that someone trades their players 20-30 games in.
There is just too much uncertainty operating this way. It's better to keep Sprong, unless he's looking +5m$.

I would say no one will give sprong 5+ for a 45 pt guy but then again we gave copp and compher 5 years and 5-5.6 per lmao

He gets anything close to that ,goodluck. At the end of the day hes still a 4th line guy and hes been on one year contracts and as good as hes been this season I wouldn't be going 4 +

I think 2.5 x3 is more than fair. He gets 3 years guaranteed money, its easier to move if we need to. Fabbri is getting 4 million and we'd have to retain money to move him now.

2.5 is easier for a team to take on. Anyways I'm not a fan of a bunch of kids joining the roster at the same time but this is yzerman's doing by delaying some guys in edvinsson and berggren but we possibly might have a few guys also making the bottom 6 lineup unless yzerman goes nuts and blocks off guys again in free agency

I do think kasper would be able to fit in on the 3rd line right away and contribute. Danielson almost made the lineup I believe so its not a total stretch he can push but unlikely. Mazur I think will be 23 ... point to all this,is even without sprong we should be ok but yes I'd welcome him back at a good contract

We need to subtract players to make room for guys next season though

 

[Detroit Knights]

You realize he's an anomaly right? I really hate when people bring him up because I have to actually say good things about him. He's freakishly strong for his size. He's an exception, not the rule.

Plus, he's got a shitload of puck skills, so what I said is still correct. All you did was validate it further, and make me say more nice shit about rat face.

marty st louis too.

he had some thunder and lightning thighs with a phat ass

 

[Detroit Knights]

Traded 4 Hanifin

i love how you tried to subtly change this thread back to the thread title and it just didn't work at all lmao

Marco busted his kneecap. Just like Ras did. I'm thinking size had nothing to do with either injury.

they could have the same leg length up to the kneecap. Some short kings have longer legs/shorter upper torso and some tall emperors have shorter legs/larger upper torso.

you and @gwinder are being really size-ists for the past two days and it's a real shame to see.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Looking at Sabres-Ducks game before I can see why Yzerman would be intrested in Vatrano.

why do you think? (genuinely asking for someone who doesn't watch anaheim too often)

 

[SantosHalper]

I would say no one will give sprong 5+ for a 45 pt guy but then again we gave copp and compher 5 years and 5-5.6 per lmao

He gets anything close to that ,goodluck. At the end of the day hes still a 4th line guy and hes been on one year contracts and as good as hes been this season I wouldn't be going 4 +

I think 2.5 x3 is more than fair. He gets 3 years guaranteed money, its easier to move if we need to. Fabbri is getting 4 million and we'd have to retain money to move him now.

2.5 is easier for a team to take on. Anyways I'm not a fan of a bunch of kids joining the roster at the same time but this is yzerman's doing by delaying some guys in edvinsson and berggren but we possibly might have a few guys also making the bottom 6 lineup unless yzerman goes nuts and blocks off guys again in free agency

I do think kasper would be able to fit in on the 3rd line right away and contribute. Danielson almost made the lineup I believe so its not a total stretch he can push but unlikely. Mazur I think will be 23 ... point to all this,is even without sprong we should be ok but yes I'd welcome him back at a good contract

We need to subtract players to make room for guys next season though

UFA markets can go crazy sometimes and this season will be a second near 50-point season in a row for Sprong. Someone might pay, 500k raise is awfully low. Ras just got 3.2x4 and Sprong is higher scoring player, and even Fabbri got 4.

Berggren and Johansson are no longer waiver exempt, so either they make the team or gets traded. Kasper, Mazur and Danielson starts in GR. And like im been saying for while Wings only have to move 1 defenseman to make room for Johansson. Berggren replaces Perron(UFA) and Ed replaces Ghost(UFA). Next year's TDL Wings trade Fabbri(UFA) and we afford to retain and Kasper gets promoted. If Mazur is scoring goals left and right and which i suspect will happen, Kostin(UFA) gets waived/traded and Wings promote Mazur.

This situation ain't really a head scrather, all the UFA contracts are in line with prospect ETAs. We can worry about the B prospects later.

 

[lilidk]

Larkin call your friend Warenski.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Larkin call your friend Warenski.

Ask him if he is ok after getting walked by Byfield?

 

[lilidk]

Ask him if he is ok after getting walked by Byfield?

I didn't know if he still hurt, but he just scored 2 goals, not bad

 

[Detroit Knights]

its over 2 weeks away and man I am just antsy here expecting something to happen by this sunday. It feels like the trades are starting much later this year right?

come on...GIVE ME SOME ACTION

 

[RRhoads]

I think people are overestimating how much cap space we have. We can't afford a guy like Hanifin at 7-8M if we're going to keep other guys like Kane or Sprong. Someone has to go.

 

[norrisnick]

I think people are overestimating how much cap space we have. We can't afford a guy like Hanifin at 7-8M if we're going to keep other guys like Kane or Sprong. Someone has to go.

Well... At least one or two $3M+ defensemen signed for next year need to move out A. To make room for a theoretical Hanifin and B. For Edvinsson

Obviously adding a $7m+ Hanifin to what we have necessitates moving bodies out which will naturally move out cap as well.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I think people are overestimating how much cap space we have. We can't afford a guy like Hanifin at 7-8M if we're going to keep other guys like Kane or Sprong. Someone has to go.

Well... At least one or two $3M+ defensemen signed for next year need to move out A. To make room for a theoretical Hanifin and B. For Edvinsson

Obviously adding a $7m+ Hanifin to what we have necessitates moving bodies out which will naturally move out cap as well.

If we got hanifin, calgary is going to want D going back because they really don't have any. Maatta is one and that's 3 mil gone. Perron shouldn't receive another contract, so theres almost 5 mil. Kane can get a 35+ contract where it is bonus heavy. Sprong i'd keep, don't know how much he'd be asking for though.

Then we trade ghost to TBL as I think norrisnick has suggested. Makes sense for all parties and they don't care about draft picks, so might as well grab one or two from them. 3rd this year and 2nd next year? idk.

Fabbri is a good candidate to trade, not sure if he will be though. If he is, that is another 4 mil. Personally, don't think veleno adds much value for next year and i think danielson could take his spot easily. We also will have enough centers to make that happen (fischer, copp, compher, larkin, rasmussen if needed, danielson) Reimer is also gone.

I have done the math before and I was able to secure markstrom/hanifin/buchnevich or guentzel while resigning kane, sprong, raymond, seider to fit a couple hundred thousand under the 87.5 cap hit next year. It is 100% possible and we could easily afford it.

 

[RRhoads]

If we got hanifin, calgary is going to want D going back because they really don't have any. Maatta is one and that's 3 mil gone. Perron shouldn't receive another contract, so theres almost 5 mil. Kane can get a 35+ contract where it is bonus heavy. Sprong i'd keep, don't know how much he'd be asking for though.

Then we trade ghost to TBL as I think norrisnick has suggested. Makes sense for all parties and they don't care about draft picks, so might as well grab one or two from them. 3rd this year and 2nd next year? idk.

Fabbri is a good candidate to trade, not sure if he will be though. If he is, that is another 4 mil. Personally, don't think veleno adds much value for next year and i think danielson could take his spot easily. We also will have enough centers to make that happen (fischer, copp, compher, larkin, rasmussen if needed, danielson) Reimer is also gone.

I have done the math before and I was able to secure markstrom/hanifin/buchnevich or guentzel while resigning kane, sprong, raymond, seider to fit a couple hundred thousand under the 87.5 cap hit next year. It is 100% possible and we could easily afford it.

How much did you give Ray and Seider and was it a 23-man roster?

 

[Detroit Knights]

How much did you give Ray and Seider and was it a 23-man roster?

I gave seider 8x7.85 i believe and raymond got 3 or 4 years x 5.5 I believe.

It's somewhere in the previous pages of this thread I am pretty sure.

 

[RRhoads]

I gave seider 8x7.85 i believe and raymond got 3 or 4 years x 5.5 I believe.

It's somewhere in the previous pages of this thread I am pretty sure.

I think Seider will cost a mill more

Was it a 23 man roster?

 

[Detroit Knights]

I think Seider will cost a mill more

Was it a 23 man roster?

I believe it was 22 roster, and the callup I was using was mazur.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I think people are overestimating how much cap space we have. We can't afford a guy like Hanifin at 7-8M if we're going to keep other guys like Kane or Sprong. Someone has to go.

There's plenty of cap space. Guys like Sprong are not part of priorities.

 

[norrisnick]

I gave seider 8x7.85 i believe and raymond got 3 or 4 years x 5.5 I believe.

It's somewhere in the previous pages of this thread I am pretty sure.

There is no world where Ray gets less than $7M or Mo less than $8.5M. It's not even worth fantasizing about. You'll just end up disappointed.

 

[datsyukfan]

There is no world where Ray gets less than $7M or Mo less than $8.5M. It's not even worth fantasizing about. You'll just end up disappointed.

I could easily see Raymond getting less than 7. It all depends on term. Higher the term the higher the money

 

[Detroit Knights]

There is no world where Ray gets less than $7M or Mo less than $8.5M. It's not even worth fantasizing about. You'll just end up disappointed.

people said the same about larkin getting anything less than 9, dbc getting anything less than 8....

Mo i can see getting that 8.5 but raymond? I dont think he is going to get that high and I think he gets the bridge deal. Not saying he didn't earn it, just trying to go off of yzerman's previous history.

ras was projected to get 3.8 at that one website that basically nails every contract damn near on the head and he got 3.2. Never know until the chips fall

 

[norrisnick]

people said the same about larkin getting anything less than 9, dbc getting anything less than 8....

Mo i can see getting that 8.5 but raymond? I dont think he is going to get that high and I think he gets the bridge deal. Not saying he didn't earn it, just trying to go off of yzerman's previous history.

ras was projected to get 3.8 at that one website that basically nails every contract damn near on the head and he got 3.2. Never know until the chips fall

Half the board was convinced Larks wasn't even worth or getting $8M because Yzerman was gonna take him behind the woodshed. Then after the fact they run to websites and go "ohhh look actually a steal"

Notice that the poster called out in the other thread never actually posted a projection...

 

[Detroit Knights]

Half the board was convinced Larks wasn't even worth or getting $8M because Yzerman was gonna take him behind the woodshed. Then after the fact they run to websites and go "ohhh look actually a steal"

Notice that the poster called out in the other thread never actually posted a projection...

This seems cryptic and I am confused. Just thought I'd say that out loud.

The first part you said kind of proves my point. You are convinced that seider wont get less than 8.5 because lemiuex (however you spell it) and seider are going to take yzerman to the wood shed. So you are acting like the "half the board" just opposite direction.