Trade Ideas

[norrisnick]

You realize he's an anomaly right? I really hate when people bring him up because I have to actually say good things about him. He's freakishly strong for his size. He's an exception, not the rule.

Plus, he's got a shitload of puck skills, so what I said is still correct. All you did was validate it further, and make me say more nice shit about rat face.

Is "anomaly" another way of saying "the only guys" was a poor choice of words?

Mazur is no smaller than his hero was when he first cracked the NHL. And I'm guessing you don't want to label his hero as having a shitload of puck skills...

 

[letsgowings9999]

How's that a bad thing? It's just more depth when we have Kasper, Danielson, Compher and Copp in the lineup at the same time. Center prospect pool is still quite slim, i don't believe that Lombardi makes it as a center and the rest of them are wildcards. Injuries continue to happen, we need that depth.

-Berggren replaces Perron after this season, if not traded.
-Söderblom is on a pace of 10 goals in 68 games in AHL. He's closer to return in Sweden than getting re-signed.
-Mazur replaces Fabbri/Fischer after/during next season.
-Buchelnikov might not cross the pond until 6-7 years from now. Russians want to keep their players home until they turn 26 and who knows what is going to happen over there. Wings might need to start smuggling players again, to get Buchelnikov.
-Lombardi is still very raw, he's not even close competing a spot in the team.
-Johansson either plays for Detroit or he gets traded and he's not looking to get paid yet either.
-Buium is not signed yet, Wings can keep him AHL for next 3 years.
-Wallinder's ELC ends in 2026 just when Walman's and Chiarot's contracts end
-Gibson spends next season in OHL and the next 3-4 years after that in AHL.

There is not really a rush to find spots, except for Johansson but Määttä is easy to move. And all the surplus prospects who can't find a spot will be traded. Sprong will be traded eventually, if he doesn't price himself out this summer. Kostin will be gone too and counting in Fabbri/Fischer/Perron's spots thats 4-5 spots for Kasper, Mazur and Danielson in next 2 years of time. Nothing has to be decided on Veleno yet.

My point is that leading figures(Larkin, Cat, Ray, Seider) then knows, how much work is needed just to get in the playoffs. How to workout, what to eat, how much to rest, generally just how to be a professional athlete in this sport. Then they can pass the information on the next wave of kids and set the correct team culture. That is way more important than extra late rounds picks in a weak draft class.

Just think if copp is on the 4th line making that much money it's not a good thing. Probably wont happen but id be looking to deal him after the next season with 2 years left at around 4 million

That signing was one of the rare failings of yzerman this far. Too much money and term for a guy whose about a 40 pt career player. Anyways

The thing is with most of the prospects you mentioned we'll just never know. Maybe we luck out and mazer can score 20-25... all depends if any of these guys exceed expectations and well never know until we play them

I believe soderblom is just one of those guys who'll perform better in the nhl with better players than the ahl. I'd gladly take a body like him on the 3rd line for the playoffs. But again we have to play these guys

I'd be looking to play johansson I think he can be a good player. Buium I'd be signing him now or I'd deal him in a package I'm Not going into his last season with him unsigned and he can just leave

I get what your saying but what are the chances we hold off Nj nyi pitt for another what 28 games? I wouldn't bet on it and is say we have to move the guys we don't plan to retain or cant sign. I'd keep sprong but at what cost? If it's too much he has to be dealt , 2 mil bottom 6 guy putting up 50 pts could be dealt to a cup contender with barely no cap space for a 2nd maybe.

Use it in a package for kakko or turcotte or whomever and take a chance they bounce back with us or whoever else. Someone with term who can be of use

I always said adding 3 rookies at once can spell trouble for a long season but this is where were at and yzerman gotta clear spots. He says he doesn't just give spots to guys but I believe edvinsson johansson berggren are ready and if it were another team I'd say 100% kasper would make it but here, who knows. Mazur will be 23 I think? Might he make it?he brings something we lack

Interesting deadline and off season for sure

 

[GreatGordie9]

Here is an interesting mock trade.

NHL Mock Trades: Red Wings get coveted defenceman, Devils swing big for goalie

This is trade deadline season for NHL general managers but more importantly, though, it’s fake trade season for the rest of us. Here are three potential moves that could benefit all parties involved.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Gniwder]

Is "anomaly" another way of saying "the only guys" was a poor choice of words?

Mazur is no smaller than his hero was when he first cracked the NHL. And I'm guessing you don't want to label his hero as having a shitload of puck skills...

It's like the most idiotic argument ever. All undersized prospects are now Marchand, lol.

How many 175 lbs guys wind up in the NHL? It's like saying you can be 5'3" and make the NBA because Muggsy Bogues did it.

The odds are against Mazur and Kasper unless they bulk up. It took Ray 2 seasons to realize he needed to, and now he's more effective. I hope at least that much is obvious to you. Mazur and Kasper aren't as good as Ray, and they're competing against better vets. They will need to bulk up just to get a roster spot. Watch. (Not that you ever learn anything when you're wrong.)

 

[norrisnick]

It's like the most idiotic argument ever. All undersized prospects are now Marchand, lol.

How many 175 lbs guys wind up in the NHL? It's like saying you can be 5'3" and make the NBA because Muggsy Bogues did it.

The odds are against Mazur and Kasper unless they bulk up. It took Ray 2 seasons to realize he needed to, and now he's more effective. I hope at least that much is obvious to you. Mazur and Kasper aren't as good as Ray, and they're competing against better vets. They will need to bulk up just to get a roster spot. Watch. (Not that you ever learn anything when you're wrong.)

The slightly more idiotic argument would be that all 175lb guys are super skilled guys or not NHLers. Dismissing the fact that dozens of sub 180 guys are in the NHL and most of them aren't stars.

 

[Gniwder]

The slightly more idiotic argument would be that all 175lb guys are super skilled guys or not NHLers. Dismissing the fact that dozens of sub 180 guys are in the NHL and most of them aren't stars.

Here's a list of players with 30+ games sorted by weight. Tell me which ones you'd want. There's 18 that weigh less than Mazur who's listed at 175lbs on the GR website. 12 that weigh 175, and 10 out of 12 of those guys can score.

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.

www.nhl.com

Mazur won't make the team at 175lbs, book it.

 

[ricky0034]

The slightly more idiotic argument would be that all 175lb guys are super skilled guys or not NHLers. Dismissing the fact that dozens of sub 180 guys are in the NHL and most of them aren't stars.

a guy that put up a 100 point season once is a pretty poor example if your point is that "you don't have to be super skilled to make the NHL at that size"

 

[norrisnick]

a guy that put up a 100 point season once is a pretty poor example if your point is that "you don't have to be super skilled to make the NHL at that size"

He wasn't a 100 point guy when he made the NHL. That came 10 years in. He made the league as a checking line crash n banger. He wasn't slippery and elusive and yet this wee lil fellow survived.

 

[ricky0034]

He wasn't a 100 point guy when he made the NHL. That came 10 years in. He made the league as a checking line crash n banger. He wasn't slippery and elusive and yet this wee lil fellow survived.

he had a Playoff run in his first full season where he was third in points and second in goals on a Cup winner

he may not have played big minutes from day 1 but you're drastically understating how evident his skill was from the very start

 

[norrisnick]

he had a Playoff run in his first full season where he was third in points and second in goals on a Cup winner

he may not have played big minutes from day 1 but you're drastically understating how evident his skill was from the very start

And yet he somehow made an NHL roster at sub-180 when his credentials and role to that point was as a checking line winger. Picked 3rd round as an undersized physical hopeful depth scorer. Which... is exactly what Mazur was picked as.

It's not like Mazur hasn't scored at every level he's been at as well. Injury in training camp slowed his start, not to mention the team as a whole sucked ass at the start of the season, but he and the rest of the team has gotten rolling. Does that make him a 100pt forward? Absolutely not. But it's not like weight is going to magically keep him out of the NHL if he doesn't hit some arbitrary number.

And to put everyone at ease, last spring he stated he had a goal to get to 185 for this season. He was at 170 at the time of the interview.

 

[Gniwder]

He wasn't a 100 point guy when he made the NHL. That came 10 years in. He made the league as a checking line crash n banger. He wasn't slippery and elusive and yet this wee lil fellow survived.

He had 19 pts in 25 playoff games his first full season when they won the Cup. Bruins organization and fans were in love with the Rat early on.

If there's a comparable player to Mazur, it ain't the Rat. It's that Popsicle guy that plays for Calgary. A lightweight that deserves a punch in the face, lol. Read the GDT from yesterday.

 

[Gniwder]

And yet he somehow made an NHL roster at sub-180 when his credentials and role to that point was as a checking line winger. Picked 3rd round as an undersized physical hopeful depth scorer. Which... is exactly what Mazur was picked as.

It's not like Mazur hasn't scored at every level he's been at as well. Injury in training camp slowed his start, not to mention the team as a whole sucked ass at the start of the season, but he and the rest of the team has gotten rolling. Does that make him a 100pt forward? Absolutely not. But it's not like weight is going to magically keep him out of the NHL if he doesn't hit some arbitrary number.

And to put everyone at ease, last spring he stated he had a goal to get to 185 for this season. He was at 170 at the time of the interview.

When a team is stacked, rookies start out as bottom 6. Remember when D&Z were third line penalty killers? I can't believe you're still comparing Mazur to a future HOFer.

Weight is not the end all, but lightweight agitators rarely last long on a team. Besides, players don't wind up on the roster unless they're better than a player currently on the roster. Mazur and Kasper don't make the team any better right now. We'll see where they're at at the end of next season. I'm sure they'll both bulk up anyways. Obviously Mazur realizes it, but you don't. LOL.

Why is it that you can watch Ray gain 15 lbs, become more effective and still think weight doesn't matter? You're amazing.

 

[norrisnick]

I love how accomplishments a year and a half after his NHL debut are used to justify him making the team and popping 1 point in 20 games his first season in the show...

When a team is stacked, rookies start out as bottom 6. Remember when D&Z were third line penalty killers? I can't believe you're still comparing Mazur to a future HOFer.

Weight is not the end all, but lightweight agitators rarely last long on a team. Besides, players don't wind up on the roster unless they're better than a player currently on the roster. Mazur and Kasper don't make the team any better right now. We'll see where they're at at the end of next season. I'm sure they'll both bulk up anyways. Obviously Mazur realizes it, but you don't. LOL.

Why is it that you can watch Ray gain 15 lbs, become more effective and still think weight doesn't matter? You're amazing.

f***ing compare him to Kailer Yamamoto... I don't really care, dude.

Players under 180lbs can make the NHL. It's a thing that happens.

 

[Gniwder]

I love how accomplishments a year and a half after his NHL debut are used to justify him making the team and popping 1 point in 20 games his first season in the show...


f***ing compare him to Kailer Yamamoto... I don't really care, dude.

Players under 180lbs can make the NHL. It's a thing that happens.

Kailer couldn't make the Wings roster, neither will Mazur unless he dedicates himself to getting stronger. The Wings aren't a cellar team anymore, players need to be better than current roster players to make the team.

I can understand your beef about Ed and Burger, but Mazur and Kasper are different stories. Half a point per game in the AHL doesn't get a player on an NHL roster.

 

[SantosHalper]

You mean like a lightweight version of Mitch Callahan? It's gonna take more than that to crack an NHL roster.

He absolutely has to bulk up, I give him zero chance of making the NHL at 175lbs. The only guys in the NHL that small have high end puck skills like Kane/DBC/Johnny Hockey, etc. I might change my mind if he does bulk up, but I'm not penciling him in for a roster spot until he does.

The same Mitch Callahan who scored 29 points in his first 119 AHL games, where Mazur has scored 29 points in 45 AHL games.

The same Mitch Callahan who scored 1 goal in 6 WJC games, where Mazur scored 5 goals and 7 points in 5 WJC games. And Mazur was called to play for team USA in men's world championships at the age of 21, with 6 pro games under his belt.

I've seen plenty of games from Mazur and i have never seen him lose a single battle along the boards. That kid is strong already and he will have the next offseason to bulk up some more.

Just think if copp is on the 4th line making that much money it's not a good thing. Probably wont happen but id be looking to deal him after the next season with 2 years left at around 4 million

That signing was one of the rare failings of yzerman this far. Too much money and term for a guy whose about a 40 pt career player. Anyways

Yeah but Kasper and Danielson will be ahead of him with cheaper deals, so basically it's +/- 0 situation.

Well thats the UFA markets for you, but Copp's contract will not cause problems in a long run.

I believe soderblom is just one of those guys who'll perform better in the nhl with better players than the ahl. I'd gladly take a body like him on the 3rd line for the playoffs. But again we have to play these guys

He's soft and if he wants to make it in NHL, he has to be overally much better. 3rd line role in GR is not what i want to see from him. Söderblom should be right up there with Berggren but if he can't out play AHL veterans, he has no business being in NHL.

I get what your saying but what are the chances we hold off Nj nyi pitt for another what 28 games? I wouldn't bet on it and is say we have to move the guys we don't plan to retain or cant sign. I'd keep sprong but at what cost? If it's too much he has to be dealt , 2 mil bottom 6 guy putting up 50 pts could be dealt to a cup contender with barely no cap space for a 2nd maybe.

Use it in a package for kakko or turcotte or whomever and take a chance they bounce back with us or whoever else. Someone with term who can be of use

I always said adding 3 rookies at once can spell trouble for a long season but this is where were at and yzerman gotta clear spots. He says he doesn't just give spots to guys but I believe edvinsson johansson berggren are ready and if it were another team I'd say 100% kasper would make it but here, who knows. Mazur will be 23 I think? Might he make it?he brings something we lack

It will be very tight race and i rather see Wings in that race, than just giving up. I'd sign Sprong 2x4-deal, it's still very moveable contract.

Wings got plenty prospects, i don't think we need a resurrection projects that we wish can bounce back. We need players that can deliver instantly and help this team reach the playoffs.

Berggren replaces Perron and Ed replaces Ghost, one defenseman has to be moved to make room for Johansson. Määttä is easy to move but i do agree starting a season with many rookies is a risky move. Because of that it's vital to keep Kane and Sprong on the roster. Mazur turns 22 this March and im very sure Mazur can make it. The character, style of play and scoring touch and he definitely brings an edge what Wings are lacking. Wings have probably the most softest team in the league.

 

[SantosHalper]

I can understand your beef about Ed and Burger, but Mazur and Kasper are different stories. Half a point per game in the AHL doesn't get a player on an NHL roster.

Kasper and Mazur started the season coming from injuries, i quite sure that in the last 10-15 games both near PPG.

 

[letsgowings9999]

He's soft and if he wants to make it in NHL, he has to be overally much better. 3rd line role in GR is not what i want to see from him. Söderblom should be right up there with Berggren but if he can't out play AHL veterans, he has no business being in NHL.

It will be very tight race and i rather see Wings in that race, than just giving up. I'd sign Sprong 2x4-deal, it's still very moveable contract.

Wings got plenty prospects, i don't think we need a resurrection projects that we wish can bounce back. We need players that can deliver instantly and help this team reach the playoffs.

Berggren replaces Perron and Ed replaces Ghost, one defenseman has to be moved to make room for Johansson. Määttä is easy to move but i do agree starting a season with many rookies is a risky move. Because of that it's vital to keep Kane and Sprong on the roster. Mazur turns 22 this March and im very sure Mazur can make it. The character, style of play and scoring touch and he defiitely brings an edge what Wings are lacking. Wings have probably the most softest team in the league.

I still haven't ruled out soderblom being a redwing someday but ya its not looking like a sure thing as it once did especially with the prospects coming but we definitely need more size on this team so I'll be looking out for him

2 mill a year x 4 for sprong? I'm sure he'll try and get more money elsewhere and term. I'd do 2.5 x3 years and considering hes been on one year deals he should be happy. If someone gives him 3+ x5 with all the kids coming hes gtg

I'd like an answer before the deadline though. Players like kakko turcotte were high end draft picks and I'd take a gamble though. Look at where byfield is now, I'd look at someone whose just ready to make some noise

We need young high end talent... yes ,bodies need to start leaving this roster to plan ahead for the kids. Teams are always looking to add at the deadline and players available this year arent great and I'd look to move some guys now

 

[PelagicJoe]

I think Blashill rolled around in the Babcock stench so much it just smelt like a barn for years.

There is some Holland poop in that mix too.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

There is some Holland poop in that mix too.

No wonder it took so long for Stevie to get rid of that nightmare stench.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Here is an interesting mock trade.

NHL Mock Trades: Red Wings get coveted defenceman, Devils swing big for goalie

This is trade deadline season for NHL general managers but more importantly, though, it’s fake trade season for the rest of us. Here are three potential moves that could benefit all parties involved.

www.sportsnet.ca

That's a steep price for Hanafin and a mid goalie....
So basically 2 firsts Berggren and Husso, ouch

 

[SantosHalper]

I still haven't ruled out soderblom being a redwing someday but ya its not looking like a sure thing as it once did especially with the prospects coming but we definitely need more size on this team so I'll be looking out for him

2 mill a year x 4 for sprong? I'm sure he'll try and get more money elsewhere and term. I'd do 2.5 x3 years and considering hes been on one year deals he should be happy. If someone gives him 3+ x5 with all the kids coming hes gtg

I'd like an answer before the deadline though. Players like kakko turcotte were high end draft picks and I'd take a gamble though. Look at where byfield is now, I'd look at someone whose just ready to make some noise

We need young high end talent... yes ,bodies need to start leaving this roster to plan ahead for the kids. Teams are always looking to add at the deadline and players available this year arent great and I'd look to move some guys now

Söderblom has a year left in his ELC, successful playoffs this season and good offseason training, and we might have a new man in our hands in October.

Other way round mate. 2 years and 4 million a year for Sprong. Then trade him at the 2026 TDL and promote Danielson.

I think people jumped the gun on Byfield, people always expect that top-3 picks starts dominating instantly. And looking at his game amounts, he definitely had some injuries slowing him down. This season is Kakko's 6th professional season and i think this is what you get on Kakko. And considering that Rangers are cup contenders, i don't see them trading Kakko for picks. I could take Turcotte off the waivers list but i wouldn't pay for him, we got better prospects.

We got talent, what we don't have is a 100-point guy and player like that isn't necessary to have. This team what we already have, has scored 6th most goals in NHL and this team has 2nd or 3rd most comeback victories in the league.

Perron can get you a 3rd round pick, Ghost.... MAYBE a 4th round pick, Määttä would bring a 2nd round pick but Wings could get that or a 3rd at least during the next off season. Sprong a rental, a 3rd max. Reimer, nothing. Kostin, nothing. Fischer, a 6th round pick. And those players what Wings could select with those picks cannot help the Wings until 6-7 years from now. If they ever even can make it in the first place and Wings wont fall in the standings anymore than 2 or 3 spots. In this draft class there is no difference between 14th and 17th overall picks.

It's better to keep this team together and keep fighting for a playoff spot. We make it or we don't.

 

[izlez]

It's like the most idiotic argument ever. All undersized prospects are now Marchand, lol.

How many 175 lbs guys wind up in the NHL? It's like saying you can be 5'3" and make the NBA because Muggsy Bogues did it.

The odds are against Mazur and Kasper unless they bulk up. It took Ray 2 seasons to realize he needed to, and now he's more effective. I hope at least that much is obvious to you. Mazur and Kasper aren't as good as Ray, and they're competing against better vets. They will need to bulk up just to get a roster spot. Watch. (Not that you ever learn anything when you're wrong.)

Here's a list of players with 30+ games sorted by weight. Tell me which ones you'd want. There's 18 that weigh less than Mazur who's listed at 175lbs on the GR website. 12 that weigh 175, and 10 out of 12 of those guys can score.

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.

www.nhl.com

Mazur won't make the team at 175lbs, book it.

Just so you know, this isn't some hot take or bold prediction that you deserve to celebrate when they inevitably gain weight before they make it to the NHL.

I don't think anyone disagrees that undersized players have more hurdles to be able to make it to the NHL.

We disagree that it is worth discussing. Because OF COURSE 170lb children are going to gain weight as they become adults and become professional athletes and focusing on nutrition and weight training becomes their full time job.

Stop focusing on how many 170-180lb players are in the NHL and start looking at how many players were 170-180lbs when they were drafted.

 

[Frk It]

It's like the most idiotic argument ever. All undersized prospects are now Marchand, lol.

How many 175 lbs guys wind up in the NHL? It's like saying you can be 5'3" and make the NBA because Muggsy Bogues did it.

The odds are against Mazur and Kasper unless they bulk up. It took Ray 2 seasons to realize he needed to, and now he's more effective. I hope at least that much is obvious to you. Mazur and Kasper aren't as good as Ray, and they're competing against better vets. They will need to bulk up just to get a roster spot. Watch. (Not that you ever learn anything when you're wrong.)

I have zero concerns about Kasper playing in the NHL from a size perspective. It might impact whether he plays in the middle or not, but that’s about it.

Plus have you watched him play? His compete and ability to shield the puck is very very good. He is less of a perimeter player than a bunch of guys who weigh 10-20 lbs more than him (cough, Berggren).

And honestly that’s all a pretty similar story with Mazur, while we’re on this topic.

 

[Gniwder]

Just so you know, this isn't some hot take or bold prediction that you deserve to celebrate when they inevitably gain weight before they make it to the NHL.

I don't think anyone disagrees that undersized players have more hurdles to be able to make it to the NHL.

We disagree that it is worth discussing. Because OF COURSE 170lb children are going to gain weight as they become adults and become professional athletes and focusing on nutrition and weight training becomes their full time job.

Stop focusing on how many 170-180lb players are in the NHL and start looking at how many players were 170-180lbs when they were drafted.

Not everyone can bulk up. Look at Hirose, Kailer, DDK or Djoos.

So the question is how much can they bulk up? I'm sure Kasper and Mazur will both come in heavier after a summer of working out, but is going to be 5 lbs or 15? If they gain 15 lbs like, Ray, and Joey then I'll re-evaluate. Pencilling them in right now is premature. Certainly for next season, I see both of them back in GR.

We've already seen it with Hirose, I really wanted to see him succeed, but I kept saying he wasn't gonna make it unless he gained weight. He gained like 5 lbs since the Wings picked him up, and he's an AHLer now. There's a huge gap between the AHL and NHL as far as athleticism, look at Czarnik. He's a PPG player in the AHL, and useless at the NHL level.

Kasper and Mazur started the season coming from injuries, i quite sure that in the last 10-15 games both near PPG.

Interesting how smaller guys tend to get injured, isn't it?

Rat Face got concussed early in his career as well, but that was more of a height issue and not a weight issue. It's one of the reasons why he tends to lead with his elbow. Somehow the dirty PoS gets away with it.

 

[Frk It]

Not everyone can bulk up. Look at Hirose, Kailer, DDK or Djoos.

So the question is how much can they bulk up? I'm sure Kasper and Mazur will both come in heavier after a summer of working out, but is going to be 5 lbs or 15? If they gain 15 lbs like, Ray, and Joey then I'll re-evaluate. Pencilling them in right now is premature. Certainly for next season, I see both of them back in GR.

We've already seen it with Hirose, I really wanted to see him succeed, but I kept saying he wasn't gonna make it unless he gained weight. He gained like 5 lbs since the Wings picked him up, and he's an AHLer now. There's a huge gap between the AHL and NHL as far as athleticism, look at Czarnik. He's a PPG player in the AHL, and useless at the NHL level.


Interesting how smaller guys tend to get injured, isn't it?

Rat Face got concussed early in his career as well, but that was more of a height issue and not a weight issue. It's one of the reasons why he tends to lead with his elbow. Somehow the dirty PoS gets away with it.

It is so weird that you have these concerns about forwards who are over 6 feet tall.

All the forwards you are comparing them to are several inches shorts, and the defenseman you are comparing them to that are similar heights are defenseman . Being a 185 lb forward in the NHL and being a 185 ln defenseman in the NHL are VERY different things.

I see no reason to believe Kasper won’t end up at around 6’1 and 190 lbs or more which I would categorize as not worrisome at all.

Plus the functional strength different people can achieve at the same weight is wild.

Edit - Guess I’m mostly speaking about Kasper here, I somewhat see where you’re coming from with Mazur. I would not group those 2 together though.