Trade Ideas

[ricky0034]

Just one more top 10 pick, I swear it'll be the last one!

with enough top 10 picks Yzerman could finally achieve his dream Forward lineup

Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin

 

[SantosHalper]

compher wasn't needed and I think he'll be another copp and well regret it when hes bottom 6 making that money and kids are pushing

I don't see their contracts being an issue, Kasper's and Danielson's ELC's end in 2026 and Copp contract ends 2027, Compher's 2028. Kasper and Danielson can be or more like will be re-signed with bridge deals. Same with Edvinsson and Cossa, both are under ELC until 2026 and ASP haven't been signed yet. Salary cap will also rise, i don't think Wings have to regret any contract made past 2 years.

I think that playoff experience is valuable to Seider, Ray, Ras and even to Larkin and Cat. Larkin and Cat made playoffs once but both of them were behind of the veterans, now they are leading the team and for the kids it is a eye opening situation when they realize how much is needed just get in the playoffs. Let alone winning in playoffs.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I would like to trade Copp. Compher makes him redundant.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I don't see their contracts being an issue, Kasper's and Danielson's ELC's end in 2026 and Copp contract ends 2027, Compher's 2028. Kasper and Danielson can be or more like will be re-signed with bridge deals. Same with Edvinsson and Cossa, both are under ELC until 2026 and ASP haven't been signed yet. Salary cap will also rise, i don't think Wings have to regret any contract made past 2 years.

I think that playoff experience is valuable to Seider, Ray, Ras and even to Larkin and Cat. Larkin and Cat made playoffs once but both of them were behind of the veterans, now they are leading the team and for the kids it is a eye opening situation when they realize how much is needed just get in the playoffs. Let alone winning in playoffs.

Copp more than compher but either way both will end up bottom 6 by the end of their contracts unless our prospects bust

Nothings guaranteed but outside from those you mentioned berggren,soderblom,mazur,buchelnikov,Lombardi, johansson,buium and god knows who else in missing are guys that will looking for spots in the next few years

Some will fail, some will not... point is outside those 4 -5 guys mentioned gaining playoff experience everyone else will likely be replaced with

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

with enough top 10 picks Yzerman could finally achieve his dream Forward lineup

Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin
Larkin-Larkin-Larkin

Do you win the Stanley Cup with 12 Larkins?

 

[Bench]

Minor updates on Hanifin (and Markstrom).



Friedman:
"It's pretty clear, just from everything we've learned today, that Noah Hanifin is going to the market. I think there are Canadian teams interested in him, but I think long-term the US teams are the ones more confident that they're going to be the ones that are able to sign him."

But there's rumblings the Flames have been scouting Boston and Hanifin may pull a DeBrincat and force the trade back home to the Boston area. We'll see, the deadline is heating up.

 

[ricky0034]

Do you win the Stanley Cup with 12 Larkins?

depends how many Clevelands you have

 

[DatsDeking]

Minor updates on Hanifin (and Markstrom).



Friedman:
"It's pretty clear, just from everything we've learned today, that Noah Hanifin is going to the market. I think there are Canadian teams interested in him, but I think long-term the US teams are the ones more confident that they're going to be the ones that are able to sign him."

But there's rumblings the Flames have been scouting Boston and Hanifin may pull a DeBrincat and force the trade back home to the Boston area. We'll see, the deadline is heating up.

Maybe I’m out of touch but the US Teams vs Canadian teams thing always seems a bit arbitrary to me. There’s many more US teams too so a comment like “the Us teams are the ones more confident…” feels like they’re just making a hedged guess. I’m just as guilty as searching for a story out of nowhere when I’m bored but it annoys me when the pundits do it.

I’ll get off my soapbox now!

 

[Bench]

Maybe I’m out of touch but the US Teams vs Canadian teams thing always seems a bit arbitrary to me. There’s many more US teams too so a comment like “the Us teams are the ones more confident…” feels like they’re just making a hedged guess. I’m just as guilty as searching for a story out of nowhere when I’m bored but it annoys me when the pundits do it.

I’ll get off my soapbox now!

In this instance, it's because months ago the Flames offered Hanifin a long-term deal and the rumor was he didn't want to commit that kind of term in Canada. Was that a Flames thing or a geography thing? That's the speculation.

It's basically the same situation that played out with DeBrincat in Ottawa. Expiring deal, team offers contract, and the player says, "Eh, I think I'd rather sign closer to home."

 

[ricky0034]

In this instance, it's because months ago the Flames offered Hanifin a long-term deal and the rumor was he didn't want to commit that kind of term in Canada. Was that a Flames thing or a geography thing? That's the speculation.

It's basically the same situation that played out with DeBrincat in Ottawa. Expiring deal, team offers contract, and the player says, "Eh, I think I'd rather sign closer to home."

I do always wonder with the Canada talk how much of it is actually a Canada thing and how much of it is just that Calgary and Ottawa are just undesirable locations that happen to be in Canada

nobody writes "nobody wants to play in America" thinkpieces when players want out of the likes of Columbus or Buffalo

 

[SoupNazi]

Agree with ward we should be adding picks and I dont think were making the playoffs when it's all said and done

Been seeing eiseman drop to like 8th, We should have stayed in the bottom 10 picks this year and and make the push next season. We'll see how the season ends but I wouldnt be making good trades this deadline

You'll be saying the same thing next year...and the year after that...and the year after that. "Just one more year of sucking."

 

[better Red than Dead]

I do always wonder with the Canada talk how much of it is actually a Canada thing and how much of it is just that Calgary and Ottawa are just undesirable locations that happen to be in Canada

nobody writes "nobody wants to play in America" thinkpieces when players want out of the likes of Columbus or Buffalo

Calgary and Ottawa are not that bad of cities. I think that it’s the American players who get a bit homesick. Dirk FV the Covid lockdowns Canada was extreme and a lot of US players were bitter they couldn’t have family visit or vice versa and that has probably stuck with them

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

depends how many Clevelands you have

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

I do always wonder with the Canada talk how much of it is actually a Canada thing and how much of it is just that Calgary and Ottawa are just undesirable locations that happen to be in Canada

nobody writes "nobody wants to play in America" thinkpieces when players want out of the likes of Columbus or Buffalo

Canadian here. I think it has to do with Columbus and Buffalo being 2 teams out of 20+ so it isn't such a big issue. But when Edmonton(maybe not as much with the McDavid era), Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa. Really Toronto or Montreal are the only teams who don't have issues with it. So it's like about half of the teams having issues with wanting players to stay.

 

[Bench]

Canadian here. I think it has to do with Columbus and Buffalo being 2 teams out of 20+ so it isn't such a big issue. But when Edmonton(maybe not as much with the McDavid era), Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa. Really Toronto or Montreal are the only teams who don't have issues with it. So it's like about half of the teams having issues with wanting players to stay.

It wasn't that long ago that Detroit was an undesirable location. DeBrincat and Kane sort of changed that narrative lately, but premier talent hasn't been lining up to head to the Midwest in a city that's been "rebuilding" in its own right.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

It wasn't that long ago that Detroit was an undesirable location. DeBrincat and Kane sort of changed that narrative lately, but premier talent hasn't been lining up to head to the Midwest in a city that's been "rebuilding" in its own right.

Wonder if the Babcock stench had an impact too. Even in the years after he left.

 

[DatsDeking]

In this instance, it's because months ago the Flames offered Hanifin a long-term deal and the rumor was he didn't want to commit that kind of term in Canada. Was that a Flames thing or a geography thing? That's the speculation.

It's basically the same situation that played out with DeBrincat in Ottawa. Expiring deal, team offers contract, and the player says, "Eh, I think I'd rather sign closer to home."

Ahhhh okay. I missed that part of the story. Makes sense.

 

[letsgowings9999]

You'll be saying the same thing next year...and the year after that...and the year after that. "Just one more year of sucking."

You figured me out

 

[SantosHalper]

Copp more than compher but either way both will end up bottom 6 by the end of their contracts unless our prospects bust

Nothings guaranteed but outside from those you mentioned berggren,soderblom,mazur,buchelnikov,Lombardi, johansson,buium and god knows who else in missing are guys that will looking for spots in the next few years

Some will fail, some will not... point is outside those 4 -5 guys mentioned gaining playoff experience everyone else will likely be replaced with

How's that a bad thing? It's just more depth when we have Kasper, Danielson, Compher and Copp in the lineup at the same time. Center prospect pool is still quite slim, i don't believe that Lombardi makes it as a center and the rest of them are wildcards. Injuries continue to happen, we need that depth.

-Berggren replaces Perron after this season, if not traded.
-Söderblom is on a pace of 10 goals in 68 games in AHL. He's closer to return in Sweden than getting re-signed.
-Mazur replaces Fabbri/Fischer after/during next season.
-Buchelnikov might not cross the pond until 6-7 years from now. Russians want to keep their players home until they turn 26 and who knows what is going to happen over there. Wings might need to start smuggling players again, to get Buchelnikov.
-Lombardi is still very raw, he's not even close competing a spot in the team.
-Johansson either plays for Detroit or he gets traded and he's not looking to get paid yet either.
-Buium is not signed yet, Wings can keep him AHL for next 3 years.
-Wallinder's ELC ends in 2026 just when Walman's and Chiarot's contracts end
-Gibson spends next season in OHL and the next 3-4 years after that in AHL.

There is not really a rush to find spots, except for Johansson but Määttä is easy to move. And all the surplus prospects who can't find a spot will be traded. Sprong will be traded eventually, if he doesn't price himself out this summer. Kostin will be gone too and counting in Fabbri/Fischer/Perron's spots thats 4-5 spots for Kasper, Mazur and Danielson in next 2 years of time. Nothing has to be decided on Veleno yet.

My point is that leading figures(Larkin, Cat, Ray, Seider) then knows, how much work is needed just to get in the playoffs. How to workout, what to eat, how much to rest, generally just how to be a professional athlete in this sport. Then they can pass the information on the next wave of kids and set the correct team culture. That is way more important than extra late rounds picks in a weak draft class.

 

[saska sault]

Wonder if the Babcock stench had an impact too. Even in the years after he left.

I think Blashill rolled around in the Babcock stench so much it just smelt like a barn for years.

 

[Gniwder]

How's that a bad thing? It's just more depth when we have Kasper, Danielson, Compher and Copp in the lineup at the same time. Center prospect pool is still quite slim, i don't believe that Lombardi makes it as a center and the rest of them are wildcards. Injuries continue to happen, we need that depth.

-Berggren replaces Perron after this season, if not traded.
-Söderblom is on a pace of 10 goals in 68 games in AHL. He's closer to return in Sweden than getting re-signed.
-Mazur replaces Fabbri/Fischer after/during next season.
-Buchelnikov might not cross the pond until 6-7 years from now. Russians want to keep their players home until they turn 26 and who knows what is going to happen over there. Wings might need to start smuggling players again, to get Buchelnikov.
-Lombardi is still very raw, he's not even close competing a spot in the team.
-Johansson either plays for Detroit or he gets traded and he's not looking to get paid yet either.
-Buium is not signed yet, Wings can keep him AHL for next 3 years.
-Wallinder's ELC ends in 2026 just when Walman's and Chiarot's contracts end
-Gibson spends next season in OHL and the next 3-4 years after that in AHL.

There is not really a rush to find spots, except for Johansson but Määttä is easy to move. And all the surplus prospects who can't find a spot will be traded. Sprong will be traded eventually, if he doesn't price himself out this summer. Kostin will be gone too and counting in Fabbri/Fischer/Perron's spots thats 4-5 spots for Kasper, Mazur and Danielson in next 2 years of time. Nothing has to be decided on Veleno yet.

My point is that leading figures(Larkin, Cat, Ray, Seider) then knows, how much work is needed just to get in the playoffs. How to workout, what to eat, how much to rest, generally just how to be a professional athlete in this sport. Then they can pass the information on the next wave of kids and set the correct team culture. That is way more important than extra late rounds picks in a weak draft class.

Mazur has 4 more points than Elmer. So one is headed to the NHL next season and the other back to Sweden? Does 4 points make that much of a difference?

They'll both be playing together in GR next season. Mazur isn't getting called up, I expect Stevie to sign a plug like ZAR or Czarnik again (both contracts expire).

 

[SantosHalper]

Mazur has 4 more points than Elmer. So one is headed to the NHL next season and the other back to Sweden? Does 4 points make that much of a difference?

They'll both be playing together in GR next season. Mazur isn't getting called up, I expect Stevie to sign a plug like ZAR or Czarnik again (both contracts expire).

You seen how Mazur plays and you have seen how Söderblom plays, it's obvious which one will make it first. Mazur also started the season coming from injury.

Both will start in GR but after Fabbri and Kostin is gone, Kasper and Mazur gets promoted. Söderblom has the next year to show. I made a potential next season lineup for the GR recently

Mazur - Kasper - Söderblom
Hirose - Czarnik - Luff
Lombardi - Danielson - Gettinger
Hanas - Savage - Shine
Spezia - Doucet - Bradley

Wallinder - Tuomisto
X - Rafferty
Buium - Didier
Viro - Newpower

Cossa
Hutchinson

One d-man is needed, maybe college free agent Jacob Truscott.

 

[Gniwder]

You seen how Mazur plays and you have seen how Söderblom plays, it's obvious which one will make it first. Mazur also started the season coming from injury.

You mean like a lightweight version of Mitch Callahan? It's gonna take more than that to crack an NHL roster.

He absolutely has to bulk up, I give him zero chance of making the NHL at 175lbs. The only guys in the NHL that small have high end puck skills like Kane/DBC/Johnny Hockey, etc. I might change my mind if he does bulk up, but I'm not penciling him in for a roster spot until he does.

 

[norrisnick]

You mean like a lightweight version of Mitch Callahan? It's gonna take more than that to crack an NHL roster.

He absolutely has to bulk up, I give him zero chance of making the NHL at 175lbs. The only guys in the NHL that small have high end puck skills like Kane/DBC/Johnny Hockey, etc. I might change my mind if he does bulk up, but I'm not penciling him in for a roster spot until he does.

Or you know, colossal asshole shit disturbers like Brad Marchand who is all of 176lb.

 

[Gniwder]

Or you know, colossal asshole shit disturbers like Brad Marchand who is all of 176lb.

You realize he's an anomaly right? I really hate when people bring him up because I have to actually say good things about him. He's freakishly strong for his size. He's an exception, not the rule.

Plus, he's got a shitload of puck skills, so what I said is still correct. All you did was validate it further, and make me say more nice shit about rat face.