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HisNoodliness

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0% chance it takes Edvinsson to get Hanifin.
It seems like everyone agrees so I guess you guys are right... I just know that if I was Calgary, and I was moving a prime-age 1st pairing, all situations #1 D with an 8 year extension in hand, for a first and a prospect, that prospect better project as a 1D. That's not Wallinder. Maybe ASP qualifies but he's a much riskier prospect, and further away. If I'm Calgary and Yzerman calls, I'm asking for Edvinsson, and I'm hanging up if he says no.

And if I was a team that's 1 Noah Hanifin from contending, I'd be happy to pay that price. I'm not sure who across the league is both ready to contend and has a blue-chip D prospect, but I have to assume that there's two or three teams. Maybe not.
 

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It seems like everyone agrees so I guess you guys are right... I just know that if I was Calgary, and I was moving a prime-age 1st pairing, all situations #1 D with an 8 year extension in hand, for a first and a prospect, that prospect better project as a 1D. That's not Wallinder. Maybe ASP qualifies but he's a much riskier prospect, and further away. If I'm Calgary and Yzerman calls, I'm asking for Edvinsson, and I'm hanging up if he says no.

And if I was a team that's 1 Noah Hanifin from contending, I'd be happy to pay that price. I'm not sure who across the league is both ready to contend and has a blue-chip D prospect, but I have to assume that there's two or three teams. Maybe not.
Then Hanifin walks for nothing. No team is going to give Conroy a guy of Ed's caliber for a pending UFA.
 

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I would love to have Hanifin with an extension (provided that it doesn't involve moving Ed) but I am not expecting it to come to fruition. We won't be the only team interested in his services.
True, but I'd hazard a guess the Wings have the pieces to make it work a lot easier than other teams looking to upgrade defense this year.
 

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It seems like everyone agrees so I guess you guys are right... I just know that if I was Calgary, and I was moving a prime-age 1st pairing, all situations #1 D with an 8 year extension in hand, for a first and a prospect, that prospect better project as a 1D. That's not Wallinder. Maybe ASP qualifies but he's a much riskier prospect, and further away. If I'm Calgary and Yzerman calls, I'm asking for Edvinsson, and I'm hanging up if he says no.

And if I was a team that's 1 Noah Hanifin from contending, I'd be happy to pay that price. I'm not sure who across the league is both ready to contend and has a blue-chip D prospect, but I have to assume that there's two or three teams. Maybe not.
Is Hanifin really an all situations #1D? I honestly don't think he provides the offense for that. Can you find an instance of a player similar to Hanifin (call him a 2-3 defensemen) being traded as an expiring UFA at 27? If so, what was the return? There aren't very many prospects out there that project as 1Ds.
More importantly, if we need to give up Ed to get Hanifin we are largely moving laterally (even though Hanifin is the better player currently).

I think he isn't worth nearly what you think he is, and I say that as someone who likes him as a player and wants him. Calgary just doesn't have a ton of leverage considering the downside is letting him walk for nothing.

True, but I'd hazard a guess the Wings have the pieces to make it work a lot easier than other teams looking to upgrade defense this year.
What makes you say that if Calgary is trying to avoid a full-on rebuild?
 
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I don't understand the Hanifin stuff. Wouldn't Yzerman had just kept Hronek instead? He trades Hronek just to use assets to trade for Hanifin? I just don't get it.
Current Hanifin is like 50x better than Detroit Hronek. If hronek was the player he is now last year, there is no chance in hell Yzerman would have traded him for a mid 1st. It would have taken Lekkerimaki + 1st + 1st +
 

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Is Hanifin really an all situations #1D? I honestly don't think he provides the offense for that. Can you find an instance of a player similar to Hanifin (call him a 2-3 defensemen) being traded as an expiring UFA at 27? If so, what was the return? There aren't very many prospects out there that project as 1Ds.
More importantly, if we need to give up Ed to get Hanifin we are largely moving laterally (even though Hanifin is the better player currently).

I think he isn't worth nearly what you think he is, and I say that as someone who likes him as a player and wants him. Calgary just doesn't have a ton of leverage considering the downside is letting him walk for nothing.


What makes you say that if Calgary is trying to avoid a full-on rebuild?
McDonagh is the closest I can think of. He got a 1st, a 2nd (1st conditional), Namestnikov (serviceable roster player at the time), Hajek (b level prospect- worse than Wallinder but perhaps comparable). That was without an extension in hand, though he did sign one ultimately.


For a trade with an extension in hand, the closest I think is probably Seth Jones who got Adam Boqvist (similar draft pedigree to Edvinsson, though a generally less valuable player type), upgrade a 1st from 32 to 12, another first and a second.


I honestly think Hanifin is better than Jones, but the league doesn't seem to think so. And Edvinsson is probably more highly thought of than Boqvist at the time... But I think those differences are made up for by the extra +'s in the deal.


And yes, while Hanifin isn't elite at anything, I think he's about the 25th best D in the league. Try to name 32 guys better than him. I can't.
 

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I dunno about anyone else and not sure if it could even work but gimme Hanafin and Markstrom. Would give us a pretty good top 4 and a Markstrom/Lyon tandem would really solidify us in net.

Hanafin fits the timeliness well and Markstrom gives us enough time for Cossa hopefully or possibly even Augustine.

Seems like it would solve some problems and we for sure have the assets to make the move.
 

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It always tickles me when people ask why we traded Hronek and want to trade for Hanifin.

Hanifin can pot 35-50 points and is very sound defensively. Hronek can score 60 points but is sometimes a tire fire in his own end. Hanifin meets a need for us because we don't need points from the second pair, we need someone who can actually play D to take pressure off Seider. Hronek didn't provide that. Hanifin has also shown that he can survive and provide strong play in less than ideal circumstances, while Hronek has only really thrived playing with a Norris candidate.

I love Hronek, but Hanifin meets a need for us that Hronek couldn't.

Trading Hronek got us ASP at 17 because the 2023 draft was insanely deep. There's no way we get someone that level in 2024 at the draft position we'll be at.

All in all, replacing Hronek with Hanifin and ASP at the cost of a 20-25 OA pick in a weak draft is a pretty decent deal.
 

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well.

it seems like markstrom and potentially hanifin are going to the devils...that kind of ruins everything

(speculation from mods inside sources on main boards)
 

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Yep sounds like Markstrom at the very least is already agreed upon. Trade call hasn't been made yet, from I have read.
I think husso re-injuring himself screwed everything up. If he didnt, I think he could have been in the trade talks, potentially.

I swear to god, if stevie sells and doesn't buy anything this deadline I may lose it, hypothetically speaking of course. If he does nothing then fine, but if it is straight selling, we riot bob.
 

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Hanifin to the Atlantic and not to Detroit is kind of a worst case outcome for the scenario.

I'm getting tired of seeing NJD/TOR/NYR constantly consolidating talent while Detroit keeps trying to build with 6-18OA picks. We have a great prospect pool but NJD's roster is younger and already more talented than ours and they are somehow adding young, elite players to their roster every deadline and off-season.
 

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Hanifin to the Atlantic and not to Detroit is kind of a worst case outcome for the scenario.

I'm getting tired of seeing NJD/TOR/NYR constantly consolidating talent while Detroit keeps trying to build with 6-18OA picks. We have a great prospect pool but NJD's roster is younger and already more talented than ours and they are somehow adding young, elite players to their roster every deadline and off-season.
well, devils are in the metro and I don't think any other atlantic team is going after hanifin other than boston, but boston has no prospect pool to make it worth it (from boston fans posts anyways)
 

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well, devils are in the metro and I don't think any other atlantic team is going after hanifin other than boston, but boston has no prospect pool to make it worth it (from boston fans posts anyways)
Shit, you're right, I always think the Devils are in the Atlantic for some reason. :laugh:

That makes me feel a little better.
 

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I’m all for going all in on a signed Hanafin.

If we can’t get him, look for those B level deadline depth pieces for a 2nd or any of these 600 B level prospects we don’t have room for. Move out useless pieces like Holl or Petry in the trade if you can
 

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Shit, you're right, I always think the Devils are in the Atlantic for some reason. :laugh:

That makes me feel a little better.
literally the only reason why I remember is because njd, nyr, nyi are in a small bubble so they stick together. Knowing this and for some reason always remembering that the islanders are in the metro, is how I know njd are in the metro. (without looking it up**)

Don't even get me started on the pitt and phi fiasco.
 

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Fun fact, not really, the only players on the ice for fewer goals for per 60 at even strength than Ghost, are Kostin, Czarnik, and Aston-Reese. And the PP scores at a higher rate with Mo than with Ghost. What does he bring? Are we allowed to trade him yet?
 

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Fun fact, not really, the only players on the ice for fewer goals for per 60 at even strength than Ghost, are Kostin, Czarnik, and Aston-Reese. And the PP scores at a higher rate with Mo than with Ghost. What does he bring? Are we allowed to trade him yet?
I'd really like to see him moved at the deadline to a team in need of D scoring (Tampa). Then use whatever pick we get in a package to improve his slot.
 
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We are not that desperate.
Sniff a playoff spot and ppl lose their minds . Kasper will be loved by fans

As for markstrom to the redwings that was ever going to happen . Hanifin would never be a wing unless an extension was agreed upon

this move will wake yzerman up to the fact that we have to move some bodies for assets and call up edvinsson and berggren
 
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