Trade Ideas

[HisNoodliness]

so...how high of a price would we be willing to pay? I'm assuming it starts with a 1st, likely with a player added, probably more on top. I've seen others say the Flames would likely want a D back, which likely means Maata because he doesn't have any sort of trade protection.

1st, Maata, Wallander?

I feel like that deal is a little in no man's land. I'd love it for a signed Hanifin- I have to imagine that the price is something like Edvinsson + Maatta + 1st for a signed Hanifin which is a no-go for me.

On the other hand, if he's a pure rental, Wallinder + a 1st is a little too high of a price for a team in our place. We can't give up significant futures for this year when Hanifin doesn't really make us a contender.

 

[Ricelund]

I feel like that deal is a little in no man's land. I'd love it for a signed Hanifin- I have to imagine that the price is something like Edvinsson + Maatta + 1st for a signed Hanifin which is a no-go for me.

On the other hand, if he's a pure rental, Wallinder + a 1st is a little too high of a price for a team in our place. We can't give up significant futures for this year when Hanifin doesn't really make us a contender.

0% chance it takes Edvinsson to get Hanifin.

 

[norrisnick]

Only way Ed is involved is if Stevie decides "f*** waiting a year or two for a 2nd pairing" and just trades for both a signed Hanifin and Rasmus Andersson.

 

[Snuggs]

We're just out of touch imo.

Some fans still think it's 2020. Our 1st rounder will be in the 20's, late, with a system already full of good prospects kind of knocking on the door. It's not like a 1st/Wallinder(cheap btw) for Hanifin is a killer for the future. Still loaded with prospects and anyone drafted wouldn't be up for 2-5 years anyways.

No team ever knows they're one trade/player away. Canucks will look stupid like Boston if they lose in the 1st round this year... and Montreal a few years ago made a run to the cup finals as the 8th seed, and there are other examples even. If you're in the playoff picture, you've got a shot, and idk how not trading for even a rental like Hanifin is hated. I'm tired of hearing..." we're not that team." Uh, we're in position to win, what do you even mean?!?! Heck, Red Wings 1st rdp/Wallinder is CHEAP even.

Idk if Hanifin will be the move, he's the best defensemen available and it's what Red Wings need the most. I'll be upset if they don't make a move or try to make a move. I expect some sort of trade to make the team better, not necessarily Hanifin, but someone.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I do this even for a rental Hanifin. Not thrilled with it if he doesn’t resign but that’s not much lost value.

why would we give up top assets for a pending ufa to barely make/miss the playoffs ? We're no where near a cup contender

If we really want hanifin I'd just wait till July 1,if we make the deal there better be an extension

 

[letsgowings9999]

We're just out of touch imo.

Some fans still think it's 2020. Our 1st rounder will be in the 20's, late, with a system already full of good prospects kind of knocking on the door. It's not like a 1st/Wallinder(cheap btw) for Hanifin is a killer for the future. Still loaded with prospects and anyone drafted wouldn't be up for 2-5 years anyways.

No team ever knows they're one trade/player away. Canucks will look stupid like Boston if they lose in the 1st round this year... and Montreal a few years ago made a run to the cup finals as the 8th seed, and there are other examples even. If you're in the playoff picture, you've got a shot, and idk how not trading for even a rental like Hanifin is hated. I'm tired of hearing..." we're not that team." Uh, we're in position to win, what do you even mean?!?! Heck, Red Wings 1st rdp/Wallinder is CHEAP even.

Idk if Hanifin will be the move, he's the best defensemen available and it's what Red Wings need the most. I'll be upset if they don't make a move or try to make a move. I expect some sort of trade to make the team better, not necessarily Hanifin, but someone.

Late 20s? Last I checked were barely in a playoff spot

We shouldn't be giving up top assets for ufa's since we're far from a cup contender,I'd have np dealing a 3rd for a depth dman but we should be looking to subtract one off the roster and we have a top asset in grand rapids waiting

 

[19 for president]

why would we give up top assets for a pending ufa to barely make/miss the playoffs ? We're no where near a cup contender

If we really want hanifin I'd just wait till July 1,if we make the deal there better be an extension

Well it depends on if you want Hanafin long term. History shows that very few if any of the top UFAs every make it to market. This whole thought if just wait until July 1st isn't realistic anymore. There is also the fact that in terms of signing UFAs you have 8th year option that straight FA teams don't have. That could potentially be a pretty big pull for a UFA to re-sign.

I don't expect Stevie do make any rental type deals unless its a real low cost like 3rd/4th line player that costs a 3rd or less. Otherwise it will be for players he plans to keep. The Wings are not in the situation to just deal picks to bring in rentals.

Bringing in a long term piece should have picks and prospects on the table, because I do agree it is important to try and maximize Larkin's peak.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Well it depends on if you want Hanafin long term. History shows that very few if any of the top UFAs every make it to market. This whole thought if just wait until July 1st isn't realistic anymore. There is also the fact that in terms of signing UFAs you have 8th year option that straight FA teams don't have. That could potentially be a pretty big pull for a UFA to re-sign.

I don't expect Stevie do make any rental type deals unless its a real low cost like 3rd/4th line player that costs a 3rd or less. Otherwise it will be for players he plans to keep. The Wings are not in the situation to just deal picks to bring in rentals.

Bringing in a long term piece should have picks and prospects on the table, because I do agree it is important to try and maximize Larkin's peak.

Well we agree then were in no position to give up top assets for pending ufa's and only way such move happens is if an extension is agreed to prior to the deal

 

[Frk It]

If we figure out a way to get Hanifin, then cool. But I'm not really sweating it.

I have a huge amount of belief in Edvinsson long term, and there are some pretty solid UFA's hitting the market this summer. I think we are becoming a pretty attractive destination for UFA's and we should have some cap space to make a move.

If we don't make a significant trade, I'd be more than fine with this top 4 to start next year:

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Pesce/Montour

Maybe run Chiarot/Holl as your 3rd pair and let Johansson rotate in.

Move Ghost and Maata at the TDL for best return possible. I will drive Ghost to the airport if need be.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If we figure out a way to get Hanifin, then cool. But I'm not really sweating it.

I have a huge amount of belief in Edvinsson long term, and there are some pretty solid UFA's hitting the market this summer. I think we are becoming a pretty attractive destination for UFA's and we should have some cap space to make a move.

If we don't make a significant trade, I'd be more than fine with this top 4 to start next year:

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Pesce/Montour

Maybe run Chiarot/Holl as your 3rd pair and let Johansson rotate in.

Move Ghost and Maata at the TDL for best return possible. I will drive Ghost to the airport if need be.

If we are in the playoffs, I would be interested in seeing if we could flip Ghost for a second and adding that second to the Hanifin package to also get Tanev for his right handedness. Then try to dump Holl with retention somewhere on his trade list. Then we could run Seider-Walman, Hanifin-Tanev, Chiarot-Petry and bring Edvinsson up for the eventual injury.

 

[raymond23]

Patience patience patience

It might take a year or two but Stevie is going to go bish fish hunting

I'm talking Eichel/Tkachuk level. It's going to happen

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I would love to have Hanifin with an extension (provided that it doesn't involve moving Ed) but I am not expecting it to come to fruition. We won't be the only team interested in his services.

If we make a move, I think it is more likely to be a bona fide hockey trade for someone we don't know is actually available.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Late 20s? Last I checked were barely in a playoff spot

We shouldn't be giving up top assets for ufa's since we're far from a cup contender,I'd have np dealing a 3rd for a depth dman but we should be looking to subtract one off the roster and we have a top asset in grand rapids waiting

You dont seem to understand what a top asset is. A mid to late 1st and William Wallinder are not "top assets".

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

You dont seem to undesrtand what a top asset is. A mid to late 1st and William Wallinder are not "top assets".

Detroit fans have taken to vastly overrating Wallinder.

 

[letsgowings9999]

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If we figure out a way to get Hanifin, then cool. But I'm not really sweating it.

I have a huge amount of belief in Edvinsson long term, and there are some pretty solid UFA's hitting the market this summer. I think we are becoming a pretty attractive destination for UFA's and we should have some cap space to make a move.

If we don't make a significant trade, I'd be more than fine with this top 4 to start next year:

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Pesce/Montour

Maybe run Chiarot/Holl as your 3rd pair and let Johansson rotate in.

Move Ghost and Maata at the TDL for best return possible. I will drive Ghost to the airport if need be.

Really wish we could get rid of that 3rd pair or least 1 of then. I'd like to see johansson play some games this year to see if he can be a bigger player for us

Id like pesce but not at the likely 7 years term it would take . That would make seider pesce pelikka our future right side dmen longterm and make Gibson,johanson tuomisto expendable

 

[letsgowings9999]

You dont seem to undesrtand what a top asset is. A mid to late 1st and William Wallinder are not "top assets".

You don't seem to understand that were not a top contender and giving up those assets for ufa's is nonsensical

 

[Hammettf2b]

I don't understand the Hanifin stuff. Wouldn't Yzerman had just kept Hronek instead? He trades Hronek just to use assets to trade for Hanifin? I just don't get it.

 

[Frk It]

That would make seider pesce pelikka our future right side dmen longterm and make Gibson,johanson tuomisto expendable

Sign me up

The 3 you mention may never even become top 4 NHL defenseman.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't understand the Hanifin stuff. Wouldn't Yzerman had just kept Hronek instead? He trades Hronek just to use assets to trade for Hanifin? I just don't get it.

It's a completely different type of player. That's like saying Sprong and Rasmussen are both middle six guys so what does it matter which one we re-sign?

 

[Hammettf2b]

It's a completely different type of player. That's like saying Sprong and Rasmussen are both middle six guys so what does it matter which one we re-sign?

Are they really that far apart? From what I'm seeing their advanced stats seem pretty comparable

 

[norrisnick]

Are they really that far apart? From what I'm seeing their advanced stats seem pretty comparable

Yes. Stylistically it's about as far apart as Sprong and Ras. Remember that Hronek gets to play with the Norris front runner. Quinn is skewing those numbers. Not to mention the difference in forwards between Calgary and Vancouver.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Yes. Stylistically it's about as far apart as Sprong and Ras. Remember that Hronek gets to play with the Norris front runner. Quinn is skewing those numbers. Not to mention the difference in forwards between Calgary and Vancouver.

I'm not too familiar with Hanifin. What is this style you speak of?

 

[norrisnick]

I'm not too familiar with Hanifin. What is this style you speak of?

He's big, great skater, defensively sound, not super physical but his frame lets him leverage in battles, usually risk averse. Basically everything Hronek wasn't. If you combined the two you'd have a near perfect defenseman.

 

[Snuggs]

Well stats are stats, but their relative situations are vastly different playing on a better/worst teams and even different situations on those teams. ( One guys playing more PP and less PK ).

If Hanifin played with Vancouver and Hronek with the Flames who'd look better. You don't know, cause you're reading stats, but anyone who's watched either player knows.

 

[Henkka]

My issue if Hanifin is a rental is that we can't swing those pieces for a non-rental. I think Yzerman is looking for a long term piece with this sort of move. If Hanifin won't sign here, and Yzerman knows it, I don't think he pulls the trigger.

We never trade for him, if he doesn't extend. That's kind of part of the deal, just like DeBrincat was.