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He wants a fundamental two way game from him. Diving to save the puck while it's nice doesn't coverup subpar positioning and stick work. Yzerman also known to really slow cook players too.
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I think we as fans must be missing something about Berggrens game...
His production is there quite clearly and yet he remains out of the DRW lineup...
My guess is...he is dealt as part of a pckg for a better more impactful player
It's not realistic to expect 12 forwards to be selke type 2way players
We also need players who can produce and I think berggren can be a key piece. Either way trading him now while his value is low would be a mistake.
Would be a mistake imo and I can see us looking back at such a deal in regret
Much rather throw out veleno in such deal, dare I say it possibly soderblom and I really like him as a prospect(he needs to step it up)
I too could both get behind moving Joe and be disappointed moving on from Berggren..
Inevitably given the sheer # of draft picks made however, the DRW will almost certainly move on from some of our prospects/young players and not just those deemed less valuable..
If it brings in a better player oh well
There's not a spot for Berggren at the moment with the addition of Kane plus Fabbri and Sprong in the bottom six
If we were not in a playoff spot, I would be singing a much different tune. Same goes for Edvinsson
If we were not in a playoff spot, I would be singing a much different tune. Same goes for Edvinsson
100% we'll have to move on from prospects and some wont make it
Berggren however got 15 goals as a rookie playing alot on the 4th line, putting up stats everywhere he goes... if we're going to deal him we should at least play him a full season or until deadline and boost his value
What would he get now a late 2nd? The throw in package the main piece is the 1st I'm sure if we pushed hard enough we can put in a veleno instead,hanas,wallinder,viro etc...
If it's for a pending ufa piece I'd rather just wait till the July 1st.
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What would u guys package for a signed 29 year old Jake Guentzel? He would look good with Raymond and larkin.
Guenztel - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Compher - Kane
Guenztel - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Compher - Kane
I'd trade fabbri in a heartbeat, hes ways injured and wont be a part of the longterm plans
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build a time machine to back before Yzerman decided he didn't like him
it doesn't actually matter what Berggren does at this point, same as how it doesn't actually matter how Edvinsson plays in the AHL as far as him getting a roster spot this year goes
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The trick here is finding a sucker to take on Fabbri while both of his legs are still intact, and you hope teams don't look too closely at his splits.
16 GP - 9G - 6A - 15P - 0+/- playing 14:00/gm from the start of the season through 12/13
23 GP - 4G - 2A - 6P - -7+/- playing 13:04/gm since.
21pts in 39 games doesn't look terrible for a depth player. But that split from the last 23 certainly does. Especially for $4M...
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Yzerman consolidates prospects. If he thinks berg can be used to land a better piece he will make the move. My problem is emptying or trading former 1st rounders for a career steady like hanafin. I'm not bothered though he won't trade those assets for him so we can theorycraft as much as we want he ain't in some desperate mood. Making the playoffs is nice thought but we getting bounced by most those juggernauts and hanafin being here won't be the difference between that happening or not.
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I think you hope to move him to a Chicago type who wants to get good people around the prospects and also doesn't give a crap about cap hits at the moment.
The Zermanator
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Would rather move on from Sprong than Berggren. 33pts in 51 games and providing little more than offense, hard to imagine Berggren couldn’t replicate that. And he has more potential too. Sprong is what he is at this point.
Daniel Sprong is 26 years old, is one of the most efficient goal-scorers in the NHL, and seems content to play a bottom six-role without complaining. And NHLs GMs apparently don't value him highly based on his treatment to-date, so he'll likely continue to be available at a well-below market-value rate beyond this season. I can't think of a single good reason to let him leave the organization. There's at least a half-dozen other players I'd let walk or move out in some other way (i.e. trade or buyouts) before Sprong.
Considering the context of those points, really hard to imagine a world where Berggren produces at the same rate. Sprong is the 4th leading scorer on the team with just 12:42 toi per game and without a considerable role on the powerplay. Berggren ain't doing that right now
The more realistic spot is for Berggren to replace Fabbri. But even then, Fabbri has proven to be a pretty good hockey player when given the opportunity
It's a numbers game right now, especially with the addition of Kane. Again - if we were losing I would be singing a different tune
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It's a good thing he joined the team without waiver exemption status...
And as for the numbers game... it's pretty stupid that player performance doesn't factor into that "game" at all.
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Exactly. Sprong is one of a pretty small group of players that produces very well with very low ice time. 11-13 minutes a night is not a lot, and he keeps a pretty good pt pace with that, many can't do the same.
Yup hes gotta be dealt before he gets injured again ,its only a matter of time
Like you said his stats look nice on paper , eat 1.5 if you have to move him and insert berggren rest of the season and move on. Hes not part of the longterm plans anyways
Hes fit in great but he'll likely want a longer deal and good money. If hes ok mostly playing on the 4th + ppl time I'd be ok with giving him 2.5 x3 years but nothing longer with all the prospects coming up
He'd be easily movable after a season or 2. If someone offers 3 mill x5 hes gotta go
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I would trade Fabbri in a heartbeat because I think Berggy could easily replace his numbers and I like him better on the PP as I think he's a better puck distributer. With that said I don't know if anyone takes Fabbri with his health issues and current production. I think Berggy has a higher point potential and obviously would be more cost effective right now. Saving close to 3 mil on that spot could be huge in upgrade our forwards or defense as well.
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I feel like Sprong is really well integrated into the locker room. I would gladly swap Fabbri out for Berggren.
I just feel like Berggren is on the outs because we already have a lot of small wingers.
I just feel like Berggren is on the outs because we already have a lot of small wingers.
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Berggren has 5 pts in his 9 games with the Wings this season (not to mention PPG+ in the AHL), how much ice time was he getting? Again, I think they’re pretty evenly matched in terms of generating offense. Considering Berggren will be cheaper going forward than Sprong, who will want a decent raise, Berggren is the better value.
Totally fine with moving Fabbri out to make way for Berggren too. Just don’t think we should move on from Berggren before giving him a real shot with the Wings to see what he’s got.
But I like Fabbri more than Sprong as a player, so would prefer to ship out Sprong. Fabbri’s only real knock is his vulnerability to injury, which is a totally valid reason to prefer Sprong I’ll admit. But when they’re playing, Fabbri is the better and more useful player.
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I can see your reasoning. I don't exactly hate it. If he was on our team then I'd take it and not whine or whatever about it, I just don't think it'll be so cut and dry that he would be 100 point guy with us. Probably would, I just don't see it without mcdavid. Plus, I think he is going to start ring chasing pretty soon. It's crazy that mcdavid and draisatl still haven't won one. Glaringly obvious why, but still crazy.
I do think mcdavid would still get his 120+ point seasons with/without draisatl so we can just agree to disagree there.
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That's all he needed to do was his two-way gameplay. I think we could potentially see a forward traded that we know we can't resign or are good with losing to bring berggren up.
That was a hell of a backcheck/dive for the puck that he did a game or two ago. I think he finally got that message.
(of course, he could just be upping his trade stock even more for us)
Frank Vatrano strikes me as a good fit.
Gritty forward scoring at a 35 goal pace and has some pk ability. He’s probably due for some regression but he has always shown a nose for the net. He’d definitely make this team deeper up front.
Gritty forward scoring at a 35 goal pace and has some pk ability. He’s probably due for some regression but he has always shown a nose for the net. He’d definitely make this team deeper up front.
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I don't hate that idea one bit. I was trying to think of depth forwards with defensive ability and able to chip in some points. Reilly Smith was the 1st player that came to mind but I don't know how likely a trade with Pittsburgh would be. Vatrano would fit the bill nicely, plus he adds the extra charm of having a name like a character in a Martin Scorcese film
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