Trade Ideas

[Snuggs]

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[norrisnick]

This seems cryptic and I am confused. Just thought I'd say that out loud.

The first part you said kind of proves my point. You are convinced that seider wont get less than 8.5 because lemiuex (however you spell it) and seider are going to take yzerman to the wood shed. So you are acting like the "half the board" just opposite direction.

No, I'm saying it because of how he compares to guys that signed for $8M+ already this past year. Power, Sanderson, Dahlin, etc...

Forget Lemieux Mo's agent just has to be conscious to get Mo $8M.

 

[RRhoads]

I will be very surprised if Raymond signs a bridge deal for under 6M. He'll end up at around 70 points.
And I will be equally surprised if Seider signs an 8 year deal for under 8M.

Just use Capfriendly's ArmChairGm and you'll see how fast we get up to the cap next year. And use realistic caps, no steals.

 

[Snuggs]

I will be very surprised if Raymond signs a bridge deal for under 6M. He'll end up at around 70 points.
And I will be equally surprised if Seider signs an 8 year deal for under 8M.

Just use Capfriendly's ArmChairGm and you'll see how fast we get up to the cap next year. And use realistic caps, no steals.

IMO, it'll be 5.5 x 3(Raymond) and 8.75x8(Seider). Just over 26 million in cap and counting these two with Soderblom, that'd be 17 players signed with something like 12 million left over.

Rookies like Edvinsson/Wallinder/Johansson/Kasper/Danielson/Mazuer/Cossa/Red Savage knocking on the door, Berggren/Veleno RFA's.

Now it'll be tight sure for a year, but ANOTHER wave of contracts comes off the books after the 2024-2025 season.

* If things get dicey for any reason or there's a player you must have(like making a trade for Hanifin), buying out Ben Chiarot after this season isn't the worst thing to fit under the cap for the following season.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Weird idea as I was thinking about Calgary and Hanifin, I'm not sure if I even like it:

Calgary would like to get rid of Huberdeau, and moving him to a new team that's not in the Canadian tundra might reinvigorate him. If Calgary retained 3 million per year (better than buying him out, so much of his contract is bonuses that a buyout does almost nothing), would you take Huberdeau at 7.5 for the next 7 years?

It's a gamble that you could get an over PPG player for 7.5. Prior to the Calgary trade he was well over PPG for the previous four seasons. Calgary also has no real skilled wingers to play with him, while the Wings roster is chock full of skilled wingers. The Wings would have to send some salary back in the trade.

I'm not even sure if I think it's worth the sizable risk. Opinions?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Weird idea as I was thinking about Calgary and Hanifin, I'm not sure if I even like it:

Calgary would like to get rid of Huberdeau, and moving him to a new team that's not in the Canadian tundra might reinvigorate him. If Calgary retained 3 million per year (better than buying him out, so much of his contract is bonuses that a buyout does almost nothing), would you take Huberdeau at 7.5 for the next 7 years?

It's a gamble that you could get an over PPG player for 7.5. Prior to the Calgary trade he was well over PPG for the previous four seasons. Calgary also has no real skilled wingers to play with him, while the Wings roster is chock full of skilled wingers. The Wings would have to send some salary back in the trade.

I'm not even sure if I think it's worth the sizable risk. Opinions?

No not at all

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Dreger: - Buchnevich is likely to be traded

Didn't see a thread for this one, hope I didn't miss it. Last night on OverDrive (TSN 1050) Dreger said he expects Armstrong to trade Pavel Buchnevich I have listened to the clip and he does indeed say this...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Buch is gonna be 29 in april tho, not sure I'd wanna pay the package it would take.

 

[Snuggs]

Red Wings trade LHD Ollie Matta, RHD Justin Holl, F Jonatan Berggren, F Elmer Soderblom, their 1st round pick, and their 2nd round pick in 2025.

Flames trade Noah Hanifin who signs an 8 year 60-million-dollar contract.

Flames are 3 points back from a playoff spot. I think they'll attempt to squeeze out as much play from Hanifin as they can before trading him.

 

[odin1981]

There is no world where Ray gets less than $7M or Mo less than $8.5M. It's not even worth fantasizing about. You'll just end up disappointed.

A bridge deal to Raymond would probably be around 6 to 6.5 'ish. Seider though is gonna be I'd say 9. He is a different animal. After his first 10 games he was the #1d and hasn't faltered rookie year.

More than likely he will score 40+ so 3 years running being a 40-55 point guy that plays a 2 way game. I personally believe he was taken off PP1 this year because he was pacing .75ppg when he was on it this year the first 20 games or so. Which sadly was probably the correct move to keep him from cashing in too much. But I expect him whole heartedly to be our #1 paid player after negotiations.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

A bridge deal to Raymond would probably be around 6 to 6.5 'ish. Seider though is gonna be I'd say 9. He is a different animal. After his first 10 games he was the #1d and hasn't faltered rookie year.

More than likely he will score 40+ so 3 years running being a 40-55 point guy that plays a 2 way game. I personally believe he was taken off PP1 this year because he was pacing .75ppg when he was on it this year the first 20 games or so. Which sadly was probably the correct move to keep him from cashing in too much. But I expect him whole heartedly to be our #1 paid player after negotiations.

I am kind of expecting Yzerman to finesse some sweetheart bridge deals out of them with promises of higher contracts once the cap has risen and the Holl/Husso/Kostin/Copp/Petry contracts are gone and Abdelkader's dead cap is cleared. I could see 6x4 for Raymond and 7x4 for Seider followed by much higher contracts.

Having Kasper/Danielson/Edvinsson/ASP hopefully playing big roles on ELCs in 4 years will give Yzerman a lot of flexibility.

 

[odin1981]

I am kind of expecting Yzerman to finesse some sweetheart bridge deals out of them with promises of higher contracts once the cap has risen and the Holl/Husso/Kostin/Copp/Petry contracts are gone and Abdelkader's dead cap is cleared. I could see 6x4 for Raymond and 7x4 for Seider followed by much higher contracts.

Having Kasper/Danielson/Edvinsson/ASP hopefully playing big roles on ELCs in 4 years will give Yzerman a lot of flexibility.

Look at Seider's quality of competition he is probably the MVP of the Wings for what he provides, no shade to Larkin at all. Plus he has 3 years experience of being a #1d man. This deal isn't gonna be cheap as chips. It is one thing if your a rfa top 4 d looking for a deal with top pairing upside. It is quite another when you are a RFA #1 D or C carrying the franchise on your shoulders. If Seider where to get hurt for say a month and everybody had to move up on our defense poof goes our playoff hopes. Unless he Tom Brady's his deal to put more talent around him on the team below 9 per is pure fallacy.

 

[ricky0034]

a bridge deal for Seider would be flat out cap mismanagement

not that I think he'll actually get one

 

[DamonDRW]

I honestly have no clue what we need to do in the upcoming trade deadline. I just hope Steve is a way smarter than me and has a plan. I would accept it whatever it is going to be.

 

[Henkka]

a bridge deal for Seider would be flat out cap mismanagement

not that I think he'll actually get one

Yzerman has many ways to manage the cap, when deals are up.

Just sign Gostisbehere to eat Seider PP-role a bit... Oh it did happen!
Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron to eat Hedman's PP-role a bit... Oh, it did happen!
Use 5 forwards on the PP, when Hedman's ELC was up... Oh, it did happen!
Put Anton Strålman on the 1st PP unit, instead of Hedman, when his contract is up... Oh, that did happen.

Yzerman is a master of managing these things. Prevent superior contract year in a contract year, by creating unfavorable roster situations. Gostisbehere, Walman-Seider crazy-high qualcomp, sign Kane, to reduce Raymond role a bit... these are the tools. And coaching staff is 100% involved in the plan.

So the player can do nothing else than take what is given, and it will never be an overpay.

...you can repeat this forever if you have almost equal options.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

 

[datsyukfan]

I could see a package Centered around Berggren and Veleno for a signed guentzel

 

[Detroit Knights]

Flames are 3 points back from a playoff spot. I think they'll attempt to squeeze out as much play from Hanifin as they can before trading him.

not sure where you got that quote if it was yours or not, so I'll just pretend that is from you?

Seems like a bit of an overpay. i haven't seen much highlights or anything from soderblom, so I wonder what's going on there. Trading holl and maatta would probably be best case scenario and I can only assume holl would be a throw in since he hasn't played much...even though he is pretty competent in the 3rd pairing role. Adding the second is what makes it feel like an overpay I think.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Guentzel gonna want 8 years at 29, and will be 30 in October.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I am kind of expecting Yzerman to finesse some sweetheart bridge deals out of them with promises of higher contracts once the cap has risen and the Holl/Husso/Kostin/Copp/Petry contracts are gone and Abdelkader's dead cap is cleared. I could see 6x4 for Raymond and 7x4 for Seider followed by much higher contracts.

Having Kasper/Danielson/Edvinsson/ASP hopefully playing big roles on ELCs in 4 years will give Yzerman a lot of flexibility.

This is honestly my thought process on it. But I think Seider will get the full 8 years because in 2 years he will be severely out playing his contract regardless if we pay him 7 mil for 4 or 9 mil for 8. I can see him being a 10mil+ defender in 3 years and no one would be arguing against it.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Guentzel gonna want 8 years at 29, and will be 30 in October.

That is where I back off.

I got into a little bit of an argument with someone on the main boards (who wooda thunk it?) where I said the only way yzerman goes after guentzel (someone else was floating that idea i think and a guentzel super fan jumped in) would be if yzerman was able to trade for him and get a 3-5 year deal signed. Of course the guy fan-girling over guentzel said he is only going to get a 7 year deal and I am insane for thinking that guentzel would take that. Clearly said that is what I believe yzerman would do not what guentzel would do, siting compher/chiarot/copp deals where they are not in the age of our corps, so they don't get long contracts. Even sited dbc only getting 4, as well.

If guentzel comes here, which i don't think happens at all because he is now what week-to-week injured? Then it would be very low in what pittsburgh receives back at this point. There is no way Yzerman and his infinite wisdom would trade for an injured player that would only sign a 7 year 7 mil deal at 29/30 years old. I would almost bet my mortgage on that.

 

[SirloinUB]

Friedman linked Guenztel with an extension to the Red Wings. Buchnevich would be a nice fit too.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Friedman was just spitballing tho, just him speculating on a fit, like his Karlsson return to Ottawa stuff.

The bummer is not hearing any Detroit stuff with Hanifin, not that Yzerman would let us know or anything. Seravalli is the only one who mentioned Detroit and I think he is on the weaker side for insiders.

I'm only expecting maybe some cheap depth moves and moving out a dman or so to get Ed up.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Friedman was just spitballing tho, just him speculating on a fit, like his Karlsson return to Ottawa stuff.

The bummer is not hearing any Detroit stuff with Hanifin, not that Yzerman would let us know or anything. Seravalli is the only one who mentioned Detroit and I think he is on the weaker side for insiders.

I'm only expecting maybe some cheap depth moves and moving out a dman or so to get Ed up.

not hearing anything about hanifin to detroit is exactly where i want to be because that shows it has a higher likelihood of happening. These guys never know what is going on.

We don't have an adam schefter for hockey. It sucks

 

[cvaicunas]

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Perron is probably a locker room guy here, but I wouldn't mind letting him move on after this season. What kind of deal would we be happy with if he did resign