Trade Ideas

[lilidk]

What is NR?

Rangers, they need 4th and probably 3 line center, just don't know what they have and Veleno value

 

[RedHawkDown]

Seider, Edvinsson and maybe Johansson and Wallinder are the only long-term pieces there, IMO. Walman is good but I don't think Yzerman would hesitate to trade him if the right deal came along.

Long term, if your defense looks like this:

X-Seider
Edvinsson-X
Hanifin-X

You're in good shape regardless of who the X's are.

The top pairing should be Edvinsson-Seider with a 2nd pairing of Hanifin-ASP. Hanifin can play hard minutes and carry a pairing defensively. I think that would be one of the best top 4s in the league.

 

[better Red than Dead]

One way, one dimensional. He doesn't seem like a Pat Verbeek kind of guy and that makes me believe he's not a Steve Yzerman kind of guy.

Zegras is exciting to watch, super talented and has a lot of offensive potential but he's an outright liability defensively. I think he's a lot more flash than substance, and there hasn't been the kind of growth in his game that you would expect from a third year player to round out his rough edges.

I would expect that if he goes, it will be to another bottom feeder team and not a contender or playoff squad.

Probably true, but the drafting and emergence of Carlsson and MacTavish has made Zegras a bit expendable

 

[saska sault]

If the Ducks are moving on from Zegras at his age, people should know its for a reason. That would be like us moving on from Raymond because our draft picks turned out well in their early stages. Rebuilding team decides this is a 22 year old they do not want for their future because he is a luxury, or other players make him redundant and we should sign up? He is likely only available for a huge overpayment so we should be out, if hes available for other reasons... we should be out.

Does he improve our overall talent, of course. This just seems like a trade theory that makes zero sense all around.

 

[Frk It]

If the Ducks are moving on from Zegras at his age, people should know its for a reason. That would be like us moving on from Raymond because our draft picks turned out well in their early stages. Rebuilding team decides this is a 22 year old they do not want for their future because he is a luxury, or other players make him redundant and we should sign up? He is likely only available for a huge overpayment so we should be out, if hes available for other reasons... we should be out.

Does he improve our overall talent, of course. This just seems like a trade theory that makes zero sense all around.

Teams move good players all the time when they shouldn’t have and would undo it if they could.

The Ducks have even made this mistake before with Shea Theodore.

I’m sure teams thought they had “a reason” to trade Sergachev, Theodore, Tkachuck, Reinhart, etc etc etc

But you know what, they probably shouldn’t have. I wouldn’t operate like teams are infallible when we have seen many times they aren’t.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Lets say Perron is done and Kane hangs it up next year, that 2 top 6 FWDs we lost

Do we replace with a UFA (guentzel) ? Do we trade for a guy (Zegras/Vatrano/Buchnevic?) or do we just continue to promote internally (berggren)?

So far, Steve likes to plug holes with UFAs and prefers to trade for core pieces (no older than mid 20s) but i could see him trading berggren ++ (for whatever reason) for an established top 6 F or top 4 D

 

[Frk It]

Prior to him joining New Jersey, I thought Timo Meier would be a pretty ideal fit with our top 6. Since things have not worked out well with him in NJ, I would at least kick the tires and see if he could be had for cheap. Or maybe they would be willing to retain 25% of his salary or something like that.

I think he would be like the perfect winger to play opposite Raymond.

 

[Frk It]

Lets say Perron is done and Kane hangs it up next year, that 2 top 6 FWDs we lost

Do we replace with a UFA (guentzel) ? Do we trade for a guy (Zegras/Vatrano/Buchnevic?) or do we just continue to promote internally (berggren)?

So far, Steve likes to plug holes with UFAs and prefers to trade for core pieces (no older than mid 20s) but i could see him trading berggren ++ (for whatever reason) for an established top 6 F or top 4 D

Would look at UFA's in this hypothetical, but going to guess Guentzel would be too expensive.

Maybe Toffoli or Teravainen, or a short term deal for Marchessault or Tarasenko.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Same, I don’t know why people think we are going to go hard after Hanifin.

The org seems to love Walman and Chiarot. Then I’d be very surprised if they didn’t see Edvinsson as a regular next year.

Hanifin is going to be a highly sought after player, and I don’t see us having the need to win that sweepstakes.

Plus there is a pretty good group of RD hitting UFA you could get one of without giving up picks/assets for.

do we really want Hanifin making around 7 million on the 3rd pair?

We probably won't need to go hard after him, so that is a good thing. That means we could offer him less and if he takes it then great, if not then oh well.

Seider, Edvinsson and maybe Johansson and Wallinder are the only long-term pieces there, IMO. Walman is good but I don't think Yzerman would hesitate to trade him if the right deal came along.

Long term, if your defense looks like this:

X-Seider
Edvinsson-X
Hanifin-X

You're in good shape regardless of who the X's are.

This is my entire argument. I agree, I don't think Walman is untouchable and I'd be willing to trade him at some point to go after a star goalie or great top 6 forward (has to be star level though at this point). Johansson and Wallinder are the next future players for us after Edvinsson. I think we are sleeping on Johansson a lot more than Wallinder. I think he can even play the opposite side too, so a "third pairing" of Hanifin Johansson in a couple years would be fantastic.

Enter ASP to be with Edvinsson in two years and all of a sudden, our defense would be top 5 imo. At the very least top 10. With all of them under 28 on long-term deals (assuming hanifin, seider, edvinsson all sign extensions within next two years).

I get it, you want to keep wallinder and johansson and even tuomisto available positions but 26 year old great defenseman don't just appear.

Id rather just sign Brett Pesce or Montour for free they are both UFAs, bring up Edvinsson for free.

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce
Chiarot - Petry/Holl

trade Berggren + Maatta + a pick for a goal scorer to replace perron

Yeah because waiting until players hit UFA has always worked for any team that is doing the same thing........

 

[Detroit Knights]

Prior to him joining New Jersey, I thought Timo Meier would be a pretty ideal fit with our top 6. Since things have not worked out well with him in NJ, I would at least kick the tires and see if he could be had for cheap. Or maybe they would be willing to retain 25% of his salary or something like that.

I think he would be like the perfect winger to play opposite Raymond.

One thing I have come to understand now because of Huberdeau and those contracts is that if you want retention to make it happen, I just don't see it happening. Why would a team want to pay 25% of a contract for 8 years? Yes, it is obviously less than the full 100%, but the problem is, those teams don't want to rebuild, they are trying to retool.

NJD won't retain when it feels like they are in their stanley cup window. Calgary should do it, but their fans seem to think that rebuilding and retooling are the same thing (not all, just some I have noticed on the main boards). So, with that way of thinking and GM's possibly thinking the same thing, they won't retain for that long of a period either.

Teams like chicago or san jose should be retaining on those long contracts to get massive payback (hertl and seth jones [not massive but whatever] for example).

The top pairing should be Edvinsson-Seider with a 2nd pairing of Hanifin-ASP. Hanifin can play hard minutes and carry a pairing defensively. I think that would be one of the best top 4s in the league.

Then, add johansson on the third with a defensive minded RD next to him and we got a defensive core that would be filthy.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Lets say Perron is done and Kane hangs it up next year, that 2 top 6 FWDs we lost

Do we replace with a UFA (guentzel) ? Do we trade for a guy (Zegras/Vatrano/Buchnevic?) or do we just continue to promote internally (berggren)?

So far, Steve likes to plug holes with UFAs and prefers to trade for core pieces (no older than mid 20s) but i could see him trading berggren ++ (for whatever reason) for an established top 6 F or top 4 D

If this was the exact scenario, then yeah I'd probably try to trade for zegras, but I wouldn't give up berggren and would pencil him into the top 6 and give him every opportunity humanly possible. If fester still thinks he can't hang, then we gotta trade him at that point. Not for the organization, but moreso for the player to grow somewhere else (kind of like zadina i guess).

i don't think Kane hangs it up if I am being honest. Does he resign here? who knows, I would like to think he would, but no one really knows unless he tells you. With that being said, you bring up berggren to take out perron, keep kane, and that would mean berggren would be on the top line feeding raymond and larkin.

Going into next year with:

berggren - larkin - raymond
dbc - compher - kane
kasper - copp - sprong/fabbri/mazur(?)/UFA

I would be ecstatic tbh. Don't think kasper makes it out of camp but never know, hope he does.

Would look at UFA's in this hypothetical, but going to guess Guentzel would be too expensive.

Maybe Toffoli or Teravainen, or a short term deal for Marchessault or Tarasenko.

Would love a toffoli. He scores with any linemates it seems like. Think he stays in NJD though.

 

[Oddbob]

Rangers, they need 4th and probably 3 line center, just don't know what they have and Veleno value

Sorry to nitpick, but NYR makes it more clear, than NR, hehe!

 

[Oddbob]

Prior to him joining New Jersey, I thought Timo Meier would be a pretty ideal fit with our top 6. Since things have not worked out well with him in NJ, I would at least kick the tires and see if he could be had for cheap. Or maybe they would be willing to retain 25% of his salary or something like that.

I think he would be like the perfect winger to play opposite Raymond.

I usually like a lot of your ideas and posts, but this one is terribad. He makes more than Larkin and is playing far worse. NJ would have to pay to get rid of him, plus no team is retaining on 5+ year deals, especially teams trying to win, that is cap space they can't afford to give away. I too liked Meier at the point of that trade, but I knew he was going to get overpaid in UFA, though I didn't expect him to play this bad, I am glad we didn't pursue him.

 

[Frk It]

I usually like a lot of your ideas and posts, but this one is terribad. He makes more than Larkin and is playing far worse. NJ would have to pay to get rid of him, plus no team is retaining on 5+ year deals, especially teams trying to win, that is cap space they can't afford to give away. I too liked Meier at the point of that trade, but I knew he was going to get overpaid in UFA, though I didn't expect him to play this bad, I am glad we didn't pursue him.

That’s fair. I just always am intrigued by buy-low opportunities and I thought very highly of him prior to his struggles in NJ.

 

[Snuggs]

Jake Guentzel and Noah Hanifin are the two I hope Yzerman targets. Hanifin I wouldn't mind even long-term but for rentals, these guys seem solid, Guentzel is just extremely useful for a winger soaking up 20 mins a night. He's got to be playing both special team units, and often times those decide games. He'd be a huge impact imo replacin Perron in the top six.

Guentzel is one of those win now moves the Wings could make that'd actually make them much better/tougher.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Probably true, but the drafting and emergence of Carlsson and MacTavish has made Zegras a bit expendable

Carlsson, MacTavish, trading for Cutter Gauthier who I'm sure Verbeek scouted a lot while in Detroit, and then you have guys like Troy Terry and Frank Vatrano.

One of Gauthier or MacTavish likely gets moved to wing. The Ducks also have a shot at a top 4 pick this draft. If they move Zegras they might have a buyer willing to pay a top 10 pick.

I think a team like Washington takes a gamble on Zegras as a replacement for Kuznetsov (production down in flames) or Backstrom (retirement). They are desperately in need of a blue chip center prospect, and that is a team that Zegras would be a center on.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Jake Guentzel and Noah Hanifin are the two I hope Yzerman targets. Hanifin I wouldn't mind even long-term but for rentals, these guys seem solid, Guentzel is just extremely useful for a winger soaking up 20 mins a night. He's got to be playing both special team units, and often times those decide games. He'd be a huge impact imo replacin Perron in the top six.

Guentzel is one of those win now moves the Wings could make that'd actually make them much better/tougher.

Our team is the best it's been since 2015 but I wouldn't mortgage the future for this season. The Wings only have the assets to acquire one, not both, without fully mortgaging the future.

I'm more comfortable with making a trade for Hanifin and then picking up an FA top 6 winger in the offseason.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What do you do in this instance:

Let's say Detroit doesn't trade this year's 1st round pick at the TDL. The 4 players I'm most interested in Brandsegg-Nygaard, Iginla, Greentree, Connelly. There's a good chance every single one is gone by Detroit's pick. (currently sitting at 20, might go as late as 24)

Would you consider moving the pick for a roster player at the draft? And who do you consider moving for?

 

[lilidk]

What do you do in this instance:

Let's say Detroit doesn't trade this year's 1st round pick at the TDL. The 4 players I'm most interested in Brandsegg-Nygaard, Iginla, Greentree, Connelly. There's a good chance every single one is gone by Detroit's pick. (currently sitting at 20, might go as late as 24)

Would you consider moving the pick for a roster player at the draft? And who do you consider moving for?

Sacha Boisvert, Andrew Basha, Emil Hemming, Nikita Artamonov

 

[Frk It]

What about Kuzmenko? He looked like a demon last year. He could be someone who fits in well opposite Raymond on a line, potentially. Not sure what he would cost, but he looks like he has fallen out of favor in Vancouver.

 

[Frk It]

What do you do in this instance:

Let's say Detroit doesn't trade this year's 1st round pick at the TDL. The 4 players I'm most interested in Brandsegg-Nygaard, Iginla, Greentree, Connelly. There's a good chance every single one is gone by Detroit's pick. (currently sitting at 20, might go as late as 24)

Would you consider moving the pick for a roster player at the draft? And who do you consider moving for?

Once you start getting in that 15-20 range or later, I start to become pretty open to trading the pick. I also don’t think anyone in that group of players you listed is all that special, although Greentree grows on me more and more by the day.

So yeah, I’m open to trading the pick. Not sure who we would send it for and who’s all actually available. I have been finding more players I like in that 2nd round range too.

 

[Detroit Knights]

What do you do in this instance:

Let's say Detroit doesn't trade this year's 1st round pick at the TDL. The 4 players I'm most interested in Brandsegg-Nygaard, Iginla, Greentree, Connelly. There's a good chance every single one is gone by Detroit's pick. (currently sitting at 20, might go as late as 24)

Would you consider moving the pick for a roster player at the draft? And who do you consider moving for?

Knowing absolutely nothing about this year's draft class, if Iginla is not available and we can't trade up to get him, then I am good with moving the pick for a good to great player, it just depends on who that player is.

Who are you thinking?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce
Chiarot - Petry/Holl

Woof.

One legit first pair guy, a second pair guy, a rookie, and three barely-NHL guys. Why are we going backwards on defense?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Woof.

One legit first pair guy, a second pair guy, a rookie, and three barely-NHL guys. Why are we going backwards on defense?

Chiarot is not a barely-NHL guy. He's been good this season and is averaging almost 20 minutes a night. Do you really think he'd barely belong in the NHL in a 3rd pairing role??

Petry started out pretty awful but seems to have found his groove as well. Give both those guys Maatta minutes and they should look very good.

Holl on the other hand... (though he has been ok as of late with Maatta).

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Knowing absolutely nothing about this year's draft class, if Iginla is not available and we can't trade up to get him, then I am good with moving the pick for a good to great player, it just depends on who that player is.

Who are you thinking?

I like the idea of Kuzmenko, though I have concerns.

Is his lack of production from being snake bitten? Is it from not being as good as originally thought? Did he get lazy after his payday? And how much of a problem does he have buying into Tocchett’s systems?

If Van is willing to trade him cheap then I like the gamble. Rumor is they want to trade his cap. I wonder what VAN would be after as a suitable replacement.