Trade Ideas

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

This whole narrative comes across like a big echo chamber to me. 1 person says something on the internet and then 100 other people say it.

2 years ago every single fanbase would have wanted Zegras on their team. Now he has all these significant flaws in his game and you don't want him? Yeah, that doesn't add up to me.

It's kind of like on the prospect board where every said Lindstrom had IQ issues and then now everyone has him top 5. I get real skeptical when I see people repeating stuff on here just because.

To me Zegras is a talented player but he also seems not very smart, to be honest. Like if Spicoli were a hockey player. That doesn't necessarily mean he has a bad work ethic or isn't a smart hockey player (Patrick Kane seemed like an idiot d-bag early in his career too), but initial signs don't point to yes.

If Yzerman was interested in Zegras I'm guessing he'd done his homework about his maturity and work ethic. But like I said, I don't see obvious signs of it so far.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Just no on Chychrun. Always seems overrated to me.

It is either Hanifin or nobody really on D. Maatta and Holl are third pair guys and leading the D in plus minus, so you better be getting a drastic improvement to move them off the roster.

Moving Chia's contract will be tough, probably not happening. No way Jeff Petry waives on his modified no trade. Unless you are bumping Ghost, our PP 1 QB, who is left to move? I highly doubt Walman and no way in hell it is Seider.

 

[Frk It]

To me Zegras is a talented player but he also seems not very smart, to be honest. Like if Spicoli were a hockey player. That doesn't necessarily mean he has a bad work ethic or isn't a smart hockey player (Patrick Kane seemed like an idiot d-bag early in his career too), but initial signs don't point to yes.

If Yzerman was interested in Zegras I'm guessing he'd done his homework about his maturity and work ethic. But like I said, I don't see obvious signs of it so far.

He had 80 assists between 2021-2022 to 2022-2023. He has consistently had very good possession numbers.

I don't know a lot of dumb players who are play drivers and are good at setting their teammates up.

And if people want to say he's not a complete player or doesn't play defense... Like I kinda get that. But we have guys who can kill penalties and provide defense. We don't have a lot of play drivers.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Just no on Chychrun. Always seems overrated to me.

It is either Hanifin or nobody really on D. Maatta and Holl are third pair guys and leading the D in plus minus, so you better be getting a drastic improvement to move them off the roster.

Moving Chia's contract will be tough, probably not happening. No way Jeff Petry waives on his modified no trade. Unless you are bumping Ghost, our PP 1 QB, who is left to move? I highly doubt Walman and no way in hell it is Seider.

If any D goes it should be Holl. There's a reason he doesn't usually crack the lineup unless someone is injured. The plus minus doesn't mean a lot given the difference in assignments they're getting. I'd venture to guess Chiarot gets the toughest assignments after Seider-Walman. Petry has even been better compared to early in the season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This whole narrative comes across like a big echo chamber to me. 1 person says something on the internet and then 100 other people say it.

2 years ago every single fanbase would have wanted Zegras on their team. Now he has all these significant flaws in his game and you don't want him? Yeah, that doesn't add up to me.

It's kind of like on the prospect board where every said Lindstrom had IQ issues and then now everyone has him top 5. I get real skeptical when I see people repeating stuff on here just because.

Because of the highlights. Those show his successful plays, which are exciting.

What you're missing is the cherry picking. The missed coverage in the D-zone. The turnovers that turn the Ducks offense into an odd man rush going towards their net.

I watch the ducks. I like the ducks. Zegras has a lot of holes in his game though.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He had 80 assists between 2021-2022 to 2022-2023. He has consistently had very good possession numbers.

I don't know a lot of dumb players who are play drivers and are good at setting their teammates up.

And if people want to say he's not a complete player or doesn't play defense... Like I kinda get that. But we have guys who can kill penalties and provide defense. We don't have a lot of play drivers.

Joe Thornton comes to mind but I see your point. And it's not like Thorton was a slouch.

I more meant that to get Zegras would likely take a big commitment and he'd have to be an Yzerman type player for that to happen. On the surface he doesn't seem like that type of player. But that's me looking at it very much from the outside.

 

[19 for president]

Joe Thornton comes to mind but I see your point. And it's not like Thorton was a slouch.

I more meant that to get Zegras would likely take a big commitment and he'd have to be an Yzerman type player for that to happen. On the surface he doesn't seem like that type of player. But that's me looking at it very much from the outside.

I think the thing that makes Zegras less likely is already having DBC and Ray. Typically super small top 6s aren't successful in the playoffs, and Stevie is trying to build a contender. Add in Kane currently and its even smaller.

DBC (5'8)- Larkin (6'1)- Ray (5'11)
Kane (5'10)- Zegras (5'11)-???

Like if Anh dumps him for cheap then that is a bit different, but he'll likely cost a premium and I just don't see Stevie making that deal with the current lineup.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Pagnotta reporting we are interested in Vatrano?

 

[schuelma24]

I think the thing that makes Zegras less likely is already having DBC and Ray. Typically super small top 6s aren't successful in the playoffs, and Stevie is trying to build a contender. Add in Kane currently and its even smaller.

DBC (5'8)- Larkin (6'1)- Ray (5'11)
Kane (5'10)- Zegras (5'11)-???

Like if Anh dumps him for cheap then that is a bit different, but he'll likely cost a premium and I just don't see Stevie making that deal with the current lineup.

I have a slightly different take - while I agree with you he doesn't fit in great right now, I'm more interested in the possibility because when you look at the young core+prospects, I'd say we lack top end offense right now, besides Ray (maybe Danielson proves me wrong). He's certainly not a perfect fit for what Yzerman is trying to do, but at some point he's going to have to take a risk to get some young offense IMO.

 

[norrisnick]

This whole narrative comes across like a big echo chamber to me. 1 person says something on the internet and then 100 other people say it.

2 years ago every single fanbase would have wanted Zegras on their team. Now he has all these significant flaws in his game and you don't want him? Yeah, that doesn't add up to me.

It's kind of like on the prospect board where every said Lindstrom had IQ issues and then now everyone has him top 5. I get real skeptical when I see people repeating stuff on here just because.

How is the bolded any less echo chamber? It's just a different echo chamber that you happen to agree with.

He always had those flaws. It's the sense that he hasn't addressed any of them in a meaningful way that's causing an attitude shift.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Just no on Chychrun. Always seems overrated to me.

It is either Hanifin or nobody really on D. Maatta and Holl are third pair guys and leading the D in plus minus, so you better be getting a drastic improvement to move them off the roster.

Moving Chia's contract will be tough, probably not happening. No way Jeff Petry waives on his modified no trade. Unless you are bumping Ghost, our PP 1 QB, who is left to move? I highly doubt Walman and no way in hell it is Seider.

Don’t underestimate Stevie‘s ability to just create a market and blindside us. Happened before.

But I agree in preferring Hanifin over Chychrun. Not as much as an offensive thread but when I’m reeling in a top4 I want consistency and availability to top the list, that’s not Chychrun. Hanifin on the other hand is almost always fit and gives me 80 games a year. Plus he loves ES minutes like I do a midnight snack, he eats them up.

 

[Winger98]

Pagnotta reporting we are interested in Vatrano?

you misspelled Zegras

I like Vatrano and I think his being signed for another season would make him appealing to Yzerman.

 

[Frk It]

How is the bolded any less echo chamber? It's just a different echo chamber that you happen to agree with.

He always had those flaws. It's the sense that he hasn't addressed any of them in a meaningful way that's causing an attitude shift.

There’s not 1 standard reply that I’ve seen that’s been echoed for people in favor of trading for Zegras.

If you’ve seen that and want to share it, by all means.

 

[Winger98]

I think the thing that makes Zegras less likely is already having DBC and Ray. Typically super small top 6s aren't successful in the playoffs, and Stevie is trying to build a contender. Add in Kane currently and its even smaller.

DBC (5'8)- Larkin (6'1)- Ray (5'11)
Kane (5'10)- Zegras (5'11)-???

Like if Anh dumps him for cheap then that is a bit different, but he'll likely cost a premium and I just don't see Stevie making that deal with the current lineup.

To balance that, though, Kane is a pretty short term piece. I think going a bit small for the next 2-3 years is a tradeoff for having Zegras for another 5+ years after that.

I think the biggest factor working against a Zegras trade is what someone else has brought up and it's that he's likely dealt for a premium, if he's dealt at all. I'm not sure we have the pieces that will match up with Anaheim's ask and have it be something Yzerman will sign off on.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Another thing to consider, where are these interest leaks coming from? Since Steve took over, it has always been pretty tight lipped to get info from the org. Hard to believe they are just spilling the beans left and right all of a sudden.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

I would love to know who wanted in on pld around here...honestly, I don't remember anyone doing so, much less a whole bunch of people.

You had me doubting my memory, so I went back and looked, and found some -- on this very thread.

I don't want to name names, but there were at least 4 vocal proponents of PLD, a couple of whom are actively participating, one with a comment on this very page. There's some discussion on pages 3 to 5, and later on about page 29 -- a suggestion to trade Raymond in a package for PLD is discussed, and liked by 3 other guys.

Admittedly there weren't as many PLD boosters as there were, say, Erik Karlsson supporters. Either would have been disastrous in hindsight, as would many still being discussed now.

Zegras, for example. His support boils down to "buh muh Michigan goals." Yes, all 3 of them.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Another thing to consider, where are these interest leaks coming from? Since Steve took over, it has always been pretty tight lipped to get info from the org. Hard to believe they are just spilling the beans left and right all of a sudden.

This is only somewhat true. Kane and DBC comign here were both widely reported.

 

[norrisnick]

There’s not 1 standard reply that I’ve seen that’s been echoed for people in favor of trading for Zegras.

If you’ve seen that and want to share it, by all means.

He's skilled and young.

The "playdriver" buzzword that's popping up of late is nonsensical. He's no more of a playdriver than DeBrincat.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Another thing to consider, where are these interest leaks coming from? Since Steve took over, it has always been pretty tight lipped to get info from the org. Hard to believe they are just spilling the beans left and right all of a sudden.

Well it's all good Yzerman and the Wings are tight lipped. But if you're dealing with another party like potential trades/free agents. It's not impossible it being leaky from their end.

 

[dj4aces]

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Think Stevie already did his deadline moves.

Agreed. I don't foresee Stevie making a deadline splash. A wild card team that hopes to become a dynasty in the near future really shouldn't go out there like it's an episode of Supermarket Sweep. I think Stevie knows this. If he makes a deal at the deadline for anyone, it's because he doesn't think we have a player in GR he feels is ready for playoffs.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Pagnotta reporting we are interested in Vatrano?

I was coming to this thread to post about a guy like Kuzmenko, because this team could really use another goalscoring winger and Vancouver seems intent on running him out of town.

Vatrano would be interesting but I really worry about him being able to continue the scoring when moving teams.

The first big time scorer I think of going to a new team and not scoring at anywhere near the pace is when Detroit traded for Robert Lang. Lang was leading the league in scoring at the time and then the Wings picked him up, and his scoring dipped.

What other guys were having a terrific scoring season, were moved at the deadline and then failed to recapture their scoring pace by a lot?

Also, what would Detroit move for Vatrano? And how much of a real upgrade over Fabbri is he? He's on a 7 game goal drought and had an 8 game drought in December.

 

[Frk It]

He's skilled and young.

The "playdriver" buzzword that's popping up of late is nonsensical. He's no more of a playdriver than DeBrincat.

Zegras has more assists in a season than DeBrincat ever has, even though he's only 22.

He also has had a CF% consistently better than a lot of the guys on our team.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

This is only somewhat true. Kane and DBC comign here were both widely reported.

With those two, I don't think the Wings leaked anything, it was just a matter mostly of media types putting 2 and 2 together and it was right.
That does happen from time to time. Or the leaks came from the player's agents, always a possibility.

Well it's all good Yzerman and the Wings are tight lipped. But if you're dealing with another party like potential trades/free agents. It's not impossible it being leaky from their end.

Very true, it can also be falsely leaked by the other side in hopes of driving up asking price.

Make of all of that what you will. I dunno.

 

[Snuggs]

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Stevie gonna fleece Ottawa again? David Pagnotta seems to think both Montreal and Ottawa have interest. Don't see much on the Montreal side really, Ottawa interest's me.

 

[Bench]

Zegras has more assists in a season than DeBrincat ever has, even though he's only 22.

He also has had a CF% consistently better than a lot of the guys on our team.

Zegras is undeniably a good, young player. And I believe he can help a team win it all. I think the question everyone is grappling with is that if the asset and cap cost is worth what he brings to an overall lineup.

I can see Zegras being a boon on some teams and a stopgap only on others. You can only fit so many of those contracts on your roster and that's probably why the Ducks are even entertaining this trade.

The best veteran comparable I can think of is Matt Duchene. If Duchene is your bus driver, you're probably going to struggle. But bundle him next to Robertson, Hintz, Pavelski, Seguin... baby, you got a stew going! Hell, Seguin isn't the worst comparable, either. These are guys you don't want being your top player but on a rounded squad they can give you way more punch than the average replacement.

Zegras is still growing, though. He could keep rounding out that game.