Trade Ideas

[Lampedampe]

That's pretty much bullschit.

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Määttä is Top1 at xGF%, Top1 at GF% and Top4 at Corsi%.

When GMs from different teams will look at these stats, they are interested. Same happened with Hronek.

Had no idea Walman's GA/60 was that high, that's brutal.

I kinda of like Maata, however given that we're stuck with Petry, Holl and Chiarot for atleast 1 more season. I think the best course of action would be to move Maata and Ghost to make room for a trade for a legit top-4 D, and then call up Edvinsson.

 

[Gniwder]

Had no idea Walman's GA/60 was that high, that's brutal.

I kinda of like Maata, however given that we're stuck with Petry, Holl and Chiarot for atleast 1 more season. I think the best course of action would be to move Maata and Ghost to make room for a trade for a legit top-4 D, and then call up Edvinsson.

Walman's been brutal in a few games this season. He's been the cause of multiple odd man rushes, especially when he loses board battles in the neutral zone. One of many players that sucked in December, if you look at the game logs. He needs to play a safer game in the neutral zone.

 

[Oddbob]

Sharks trade: LHD Mario Ferraro.

Red Wings trade: LHD Ollie Maatta, RW Daniel Sprong, LHD Albert Johansson, F Carter Mazuer and Red Wings 1st round pick.

Roll 7 D, Gostisbehere playing some 4th line.

Yikes!

Ferraro isn't worth a 1st and a prospect, plus 3 players.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Yikes!

Ferraro isn't worth a 1st and a prospect, plus 3 players.

wouldn’t trade a 3rd for ferraro alone that dude sucks i’ve watched about 20+ sharks games this year

 

[Electric Eric]

I don't think Kane is getting trades seller mode or not. He has a NTC clause and he chose the Wings. If anything he's going to get extended, wouldn't be surprised if there was already a framework in place from when he initially signed.

 

[13to40]

Should be offering our veteran defenders on a silver platter to NJD right now. Get an early trade in and try to take advantage of them being in a tough position due to injuries.

 

[DatsDeking]

Should be offering our veteran defenders on a silver platter to NJD right now. Get an early trade in and try to take advantage of them being in a tough position due to injuries.

And then take advantage of them having to play said veteran defenders. I like it!

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Should be offering our veteran defenders on a silver platter to NJD right now. Get an early trade in and try to take advantage of them being in a tough position due to injuries.

Maatta for a 4th

 

[raymond23]

I don't think Kane is getting trades seller mode or not. He has a NTC clause and he chose the Wings. If anything he's going to get extended, wouldn't be surprised if there was already a framework in place from when he initially signed.

Agreed. Every effort should be made to keep Kane

I’m tired of us getting good players and instantly the narrative goes to trading them

 

[Gniwder]

Should be offering our veteran defenders on a silver platter to NJD right now. Get an early trade in and try to take advantage of them being in a tough position due to injuries.

As of right now NJ has the last wild card spot. Stevie won't do them any favors.

 

[Henkka]

Yzerman actions at Tampa-era trade deadline:

2011 - team was heading to the playoffs, final results 103p, 2nd in Division
- Traded for starting goaltender Dwayne Roloson
- Traded for extra goaltender Curtis McElhinney
- Traded for vet defenceman Eric Brewer

Earlier season moves included trades for vet Simon Gagne and getting defneceman Andrej Meszaros (kind of Walman-aged D then). Clearly a buyer/bolster.

2012 - team was struggling, 8 points off from the playoff-line at the deadline
- Did one hockey trade (Blair Jones for Brendan Mikkelson)
- Did sell Dominic Moore for 2nd
- Did sell Pavel Kubina for 2nd + 4th
- Did sell Steve Downie for a 1st
- Did take Mike Commodore off from Detroit
- Did another 3 minor league hockey trades

So, when missing the playoffs was quite obvious, Yzerman did sell the older core from earlier GM for future assets. Also seemed to hoard more bigger and younger defenceman on the farm system. Traded Tampa's earlier forward busts away on those moves like Carter Ashton.

2013 - team was struggling again, 7 points off from the playoff-line at the deadline
- Did not really sell anybody, standing pat, went mostly with hockey trades:
- Roloson for Conacher + 4th
- Adam Hall +7th for MA Bergeron
- Got Dan Sexton for Kyle Wilson

2014 - team was heading to the playoffs, final results 101p, 2nd in Division
- Did SELL Martin St. Louis to NYR for 1st + cond 1st + Ryan Callahan
- Did sell James Livingston for 7th
- Completed a 4-player hockey trade (Tyrell + Taormina for Dalton Smith and Marchessault)

So this was interesting deadline action, going easily towards the playoffs and traded away their best veteran player. St. Louis had scored 1.10 points per game the last 1,5 seasons.

2015 - team was heading easily to the playoffs, final results 108p, 2nd in Division. Finally they reach the Stanley Cup finals.
- Did sell Eric Brewer for 3rd earlier the season
- Did sell Evgeny Nabokov for future considerations
- Did sell Brett Connolly for 2nd + 2nd
- Did Trade 1st + 3rd + young Radgo Gudas for veteran Braydon Coburn

So mostly suffled the roster. Not buyer or a seller. 3rd in, 3rd out, low 1st out, two 2nds in.

2016 - team was heading to the playoffs, final results 97p. Finally 2nd in Division, but playoff battle was really close.

- Yzerman did not do any deadline deals.

2017 - Playoff battle was really close, final results 94p. Falled out by 1 point, at trade deadline, they were 5 points down from the spot.

- Did sell Brian Boyle for 2nd
- Did sell Bishop + 5th for Cernak + 7th (mostly hockey trade)
- Did sell Nesterov for 6th
- Did sell Tony DeAngelo for 2nd earlier the season

2018 - At the deadline Team was Leading NHL in points and ended up winning President's Trophy by 113 points.

Yzerman's only move was a BIG BUY to get:

- Ryan McDonagh + JT Miller for 1st + conditional 1st + Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek.

So in a nutshell:
- 2011, summer bolstering made that team instantly a playoff team, and Yzerman bolstered the team even more at the Trade deadline.
- 2012, struggling team, out of the playoff picture, did sell players.
- 2013, struggling team, did just minor hockey trades.
- 2014, playoff team, suddenly did a BIG SELL.
- 2015, best 108p team under his era. Did just hockey trades. Both buying and selling. Went for Cup run.
- 2016, borderline playoff team. Did stand pat with no deals.
- 2017, playoffs were in jeopardy at the deadline. Did SELL.
- 2018, leading the league. BIG BUY.


It's very interesting to see how Yzerman operates. On bad seasons, he mostly is a seller. But there was seasons when he couldn't sell anybody, maybe the deals weren't there or offers were low. But at 2014, trading Martin St. Louis when the team was playoff team, was really a mojo move. He got nice futures for that, and used those futures later on to make that McDonagh BUY.

What did make selling Martin St. Louis possible, was the development from own farm system. Nikita Kucherov had developed so well, that he was seen ready to take St. Louis role. Kucherov did only score 9+9 on that season St. Louis was traded, but on next season he already scored 29+36=65 points, and went 4 round at the playoffs point-per game.


I just this as a great example, that Yzerman will trade a vet away on front of the kid, if he sees the development going well.

Also these veteran hoarding erly on remonded me of these Chiarot and Petry deals. Yzerman did trade futures for Eric Brewer, and after 2 seasons, was able to trade him away, when some younger D needed a slot open. This is just so like "Chiarot", when so many young LD's are pushing from our system.

One by one, those older defencemen will be gone, when the buyer will arrive. They don't buy the scapegoat, they buy those who are doing well.

Yzerman did open these spots for Syracuse kid always at the deadline. Not at summer. That's what mostly fans are always hoping for and critizizing all GMs. Kid should get the spot straight from the camp. Smart GMs won't work that way. Kids rarely can handle 80-game seasons straight from the bat. So the split seasons make it easier when transitioning from AHL to NHL.

I see no different acts on Yzerman's Detroit build. Kids are now at Griffins and they were at Syracuse on Tampa days. Bolstered the roster with vets and proven players. Did sell players from old core, like Hronek and Bertuzzi, if the long-term plan with them don't work and you can get future assets.

Etc. It's the same building plan.

 

[SantosHalper]

Kids rarely can handle 80-game seasons straight from the bat.

This. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

In a perfect world:

Ghost to NJ for a first and a second.

Trade that first and our second (or ours, whichever is lower of our various first) and Maatta for signed Hanifin.

Trade one of Holl or Petry (with NJ 2nd as payment) to a floor team.

Roll with Seider, Walman, Edvinsson, Hanifin, Chiarot, and whatever to ride out the season.

If Yzerman really wants to make a run this year he could just play with house money, keep Ghost, and trade our remaining first and Maatta for Hanifin, but then he really needs to find a way to dump one of Holl or Petry.

Trading Maatta for an impact defenseman and losing one of Holl or Petry for Edvinsson improves the team significantly.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

In a perfect world:

Ghost to NJ for a first and a second.

Trade that first and our second (or ours, whichever is lower of our various first) and Maatta for signed Hanifin.

Trade one of Holl or Petry (with NJ 2nd as payment) to a floor team.

Roll with Seider, Walman, Edvinsson, Hanifin, Chiarot, and whatever to ride out the season.

If Yzerman really wants to make a run this year he could just play with house money, keep Ghost, and trade our remaining first and Maatta for Hanifin, but then he really needs to find a way to dump one of Holl or Petry.

Trading Maatta for an impact defenseman and losing one of Holl or Petry for Edvinsson improves the team significantly.

I would not part with our 1st in 24, 25 or 26.. after that..well hopefully in time we're in a position to be able to do so..

I'd move a prospect plus plus however for a D upgrade

 

[FMichael]

Maatta for a 4th

“You would gladly offer your 1st round pick for the services of Maatta”…

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I would not part with our 1st in 24, 25 or 26.. after that..well hopefully in time we're in a position to be able to do so..

I'd move a prospect plus plus however for a D upgrade

It might take Kasper and a second to get Hanifin without a first. SInce Hanifin is only like 26 I might do it, but it would sting.

 

[datsyukfan]

It might take Kasper and a second to get Hanifin without a first. SInce Hanifin is only like 26 I might do it, but it would sting.

I could see a 2nd + wallinder + maybe a small add get it done. I would only do with an extension though

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I would not part with our 1st in 24, 25 or 26.. after that..well hopefully in time we're in a position to be able to do so..

I'd move a prospect plus plus however for a D upgrade

When exactly do you think the players we take in 25 and 26 are going to be in a position to help the big club? I hope you can appreciate that we are not drafting in the top 5 at this point.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

When exactly do you think the players we take in 25 and 26 are going to be in a position to help the big club? I hope you can appreciate that we are not drafting in the top 5 at this point.

Well we gave only drafted once within the top 5 to be fair...

That said I would say being conservative and more importantly realistic our draft positions will be as follows (roughly)

2024- 8 to 18
2025- 12 to 18
2026- 16 to 22
2027- 22 to 28

It's ssy it's more about being cheap help more than anything. .I think we will still need to "draft" the next 3 drafts before we can start trading high picks away

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Well we gave only drafted once within the top 5 to be fair...

That said I would say being conservative and more importantly realistic our draft positions will be as follows (roughly)

2024- 8 to 18
2025- 12 to 18
2026- 16 to 22
2027- 22 to 28

It's ssy it's more about being cheap help more than anything. .I think we will still need to "draft" the next 3 drafts before we can start trading high picks away

So we cannot be aggressive and move picks until Larkin is 30 and Kane retired? This makes no sense to me. More importantly, the guys you draft with those picks aren't providing immediate help. If you are expecting them to be meaningful contributors in their D+3 seasons, you are going to be disappointed. They may be cheap, but that is how every value trap starts. These aren't NFL draft picks.

I would listen on any of them for the right return. If we aren't willing to move first round picks by 26 or 27, it is because we have failed and are rebuilding the rebuild.

 

[Gniwder]

I could see a 2nd + wallinder + maybe a small add get it done. I would only do with an extension though

I'd do that in a heartbeat, which means Calgary won't. Wallinder's value right now is probably a 2nd rd right now, so your offer is basically two 2nd rd.

In comparison, Brendan Smith got traded for a 2nd and 3rd, Bert got 1st and 4th, Leddy got 2nd, Walman, and Sunny, Nyke got 2nd and 3rd, and Tats got 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Basically your offer is about the same as what Nick Jensen returned, Bowey plus 2nd, and Hanifin is much better than Jensen.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

So we cannot be aggressive and move picks until Larkin is 30 and Kane retired? This makes no sense to me. More importantly, the guys you draft with those picks aren't providing immediate help. If you are expecting them to be meaningful contributors in their D+3 seasons, you are going to be disappointed. They may be cheap, but that is how every value trap starts. These aren't NFL draft picks.

I would listen on any of them for the right return. If we aren't willing to move first round picks by 26 or 27, it is because we have failed and are rebuilding the rebuild.

Are you saying all of our non first rd picks selected the last 5 drafts dont have any value?

I'd like to think, and hope, some do and infact have more value than a late 1st rd pick does...if not..we're screwed

 

[FlyguyOX]

In a perfect world:

Ghost to NJ for a first and a second.

Trade that first and our second (or ours, whichever is lower of our various first) and Maatta for signed Hanifin.

Trade one of Holl or Petry (with NJ 2nd as payment) to a floor team.

Roll with Seider, Walman, Edvinsson, Hanifin, Chiarot, and whatever to ride out the season.

If Yzerman really wants to make a run this year he could just play with house money, keep Ghost, and trade our remaining first and Maatta for Hanifin, but then he really needs to find a way to dump one of Holl or Petry.

Trading Maatta for an impact defenseman and losing one of Holl or Petry for Edvinsson improves the team significantly.

Lol no one paying that for Ghost. Will be fortunate to just get a 2nd, if that.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Lol no one paying that for Ghost. Will be fortunate to just get a 2nd, if that.

Defensemen on pace for 60 point point seasons get first rounders. The fact that Philly let him go for a song doesn't change that fact.

 

[Frk It]

Lol no one paying that for Ghost. Will be fortunate to just get a 2nd, if that.

It's so hard to say. We got a 2nd plus two players for Leddy at the deadline in a season where he looked HORRIBLE.