Trade Ideas

[FlyguyOX]

Defensemen on pace for 60 point point seasons get first rounders. The fact that Philly let him go for a song doesn't change that fact.

I'm using my eyes. He's terrible. Literally a PP specialist. You think people will pay that for Tony DeAngelo or Barry? You saw Carolina trade for him that role last season and then they barely played him because they figured out other options on the PP. The signing was dumb in the first place, IMO. He's on pace to be -32 ffs. He brings nothing that constitutes winning playoff hockey, either

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Are you saying all of our non first rd picks selected the last 5 drafts dont have any value?

I'd like to think, and hope, some do and infact have more value than a late 1st rd pick does...if not..we're screwed

I am sure that some do, while others don't. I am sure that some organizations may want outright picks because they line up better with their rebuild windows. I will say the quiet part out loud because most don't want to hear it. A late first rounder really isn't all that valuable. Its value is closer to a fourth rounder than a top three pick. More importantly, most late first rounders aren't close to being NHL ready let alone impactful NHL players.

If our only option for improving our roster via trade is moving non first round picks/prospects and current roster players, we are phuced.

 

[Frk It]

I am sure that some do, while others don't. I am sure that some organizations may want outright picks because they line up better with their rebuild windows. I will say the quiet part out loud because most don't want to hear it. A late first rounder really isn't all that valuable. Its value is closer to a fourth rounder than a top three pick. More importantly, most late first rounders aren't close to being NHL ready let alone impactful NHL players.

If our only option for improving our roster via trade is moving non first round picks/prospects and current roster players, we are phuced.

Was he a high pick? Has he proven anything in the NHL yet?

If your answer to both is no you shouldn’t expect to get that much for them in a trade.

 

[Detroit Knights]

was on the main boards and a guy from calgary agreed to this, essentially

Det:
Hanifin w/ extension
Markstrom

Cgy:
Kasper
Maata
2nd
Rasmussen

Honestly, I'd take that deal, it may be a small overpayment by adding ras at the end, but I just don't think he will increase his output that he has already given. Feels like we see and know who he is already. I did just see someone say he is quietly averaging 20 goals this year right now (season high) with no PP time, but still. That gives room for berggren to come up, edvinsson to come up, have a pretty good goalie and LD coming back as well.

Kasper would be the hard pill to swallow, but this is all funzies anyways. I like Kasper, a lot actually, but defense wins championships, what can i say.

 

[Snuggs]

was on the main boards and a guy from calgary agreed to this, essentially

Det:
Hanifin w/ extension
Markstrom

Cgy:
Kasper
Maata
2nd
Rasmussen

Honestly, I'd take that deal, it may be a small overpayment by adding ras at the end, but I just don't think he will increase his output that he has already given. Feels like we see and know who he is already. I did just see someone say he is quietly averaging 20 goals this year right now (season high) with no PP time, but still. That gives room for berggren to come up, edvinsson to come up, have a pretty good goalie and LD coming back as well.

Kasper would be the hard pill to swallow, but this is all funzies anyways. I like Kasper, a lot actually, but defense wins championships, what can i say.

In a none cap world this could happen.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I am sure that some do, while others don't. I am sure that some organizations may want outright picks because they line up better with their rebuild windows. I will say the quiet part out loud because most don't want to hear it. A late first rounder really isn't all that valuable. Its value is closer to a fourth rounder than a top three pick. More importantly, most late first rounders aren't close to being NHL ready let alone impactful NHL players.

If our only option for improving our roster via trade is moving non first round picks/prospects and current roster players, we are phuced.

Ok

So outside of top 3 picks being included, how do trades happen in the NHL?

 

[Detroit Knights]

was on the main boards and a guy from calgary agreed to this, essentially

Det:
Hanifin w/ extension
Markstrom

Cgy:
Kasper
Maata
2nd
Rasmussen

Honestly, I'd take that deal, it may be a small overpayment by adding ras at the end, but I just don't think he will increase his output that he has already given. Feels like we see and know who he is already. I did just see someone say he is quietly averaging 20 goals this year right now (season high) with no PP time, but still. That gives room for berggren to come up, edvinsson to come up, have a pretty good goalie and LD coming back as well.

Kasper would be the hard pill to swallow, but this is all funzies anyways. I like Kasper, a lot actually, but defense wins championships, what can i say.

In a none cap world this could happen.

Well, we would have to trade husso and reimer. So that gets a lot of cap out. Then, the guy said he would also trade lindholm for copp+1+a/b prospect, so i proposed

Det:
Lindholm (no extension)

Cgy:
copp
2025 1st
tuomisto

He took that. So, all the above said and done, this is all the trades I did (I am not saying this is what I expect for reimer or husso, just put together something to get them off the roster, but would definitely take the return if offered...and i just picked calgary for reimer just to do it, doesn't matter where he goes.)

We literally get rid of everyone that most people here do not like, minus kasper/tuomisto(?). No more copp, no more reimer/husso. Copp just needs to not have calgary on there and it's god to go.


This is what the roster ends up looking like. We still have an ability to trade ghost to free up more space. 8 D is a lot, but I wouldn't hate it at this point because petry, holl, etc can rotate.

I really don't hate this lineup at all. I think compher + Larkin + raymond could be an extremely good line. Put lindholm between kane and dbc and he has his gaudreau/tkachuk where he had 100 points facilitating. Not to mention he has the 2nd most FO's in the league. We have a goalie tandem that we can get behind for the next two years, so there is no question in net at all. Our defense may not be "stacked" but they are damn close. I think if we traded ghost, then a hanifin/chiarot pairing could be pretty good (no basis to go off of, just think it would work)

 

[gritdash60]

According to Dreger, Zegras is available, wonder if that's something worth pursuing?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

According to Dreger, Zegras is available, wonder if that's something worth pursuing?

Yes.

 

[gritdash60]

Yes.

Well yeah i know but what would be the return be and would be against the plan of Stevie that we have stopped sucking.

My idea: Veleno (never liked him, even less after he tried to broke Niederreiters (could have been someone else) leg with his skate blade + Edvinsson (already buried and Wings have Sandin-Pellikka coming up) for Zegras, maybe throw in a late pick (4th+).

Didnt think this one through at all, just throwing names lol

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Well yeah i know but what would be the return be and would be against the plan of Stevie that we have stopped sucking.

Yeah not sure what the return would be, and what do you mean against the plan?

 

[Frk It]

Well yeah i know but what would be the return be and would be against the plan of Stevie that we have stopped sucking.

How so?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Maybe we could pay a litte extra and they take Copp. They have so much cap space lol.

 

[gritdash60]

How so?

The fact that Wings are at least somewhat competetive team atm, unlike in years they actually play NHL level hockey. Also edited my earlier post.

Maybe we could pay a litte extra and they take Copp. They have so much cap space lol.

Copp + "little extra" huh? Zegras has scored 61 in 75 on his second year, and 65 in 81 on his third year. That "little extra" gonna be crazy lol

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Ok

So outside of top 3 picks being included, how do trades happen in the NHL?

With other first round picks, just as I am proposing. They aren't so valuable you need to horde them. Again, we need to start looking at things in terms of windows. We aren't fixing 2025 or 2026's roster issues with the kid we take in 2024.

 

[gritdash60]

With other first round picks, just as I am proposing. They aren't so valuable you need to horde them. Again, we need to start looking at things in terms of windows. We aren't fixing 2025 or 2026's roster issues with the kid we take in 2024.

No one will scroll up to my edited post, what about my idea that i came up in 20seconds:

My idea: Veleno (never liked him, even less after he tried to broke Niederreiters (could have been someone else) leg with his skate blade + Edvinsson (already buried and Wings have Sandin-Pellikka coming up) for Zegras, maybe throw in a late pick (4th+).

 

[norrisnick]

Edvinsson for Zegras and I'm seriously pushing for Stevie to be fired.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Please no. Zegras is highly overrated because he is flashy. Edvinsson for him would be a horrible mistake.

If Anaheim wants to get rid of him, I’d be happy to part with Kasper, Wallinder, Johansson, Buium, Fabbri, Berggren, our 1st, etc…but not Danielson/ASP/Ed.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

No one will scroll up to my edited post, what about my idea that i came up in 20seconds:

My idea: Veleno (never liked him, even less after he tried to broke Niederreiters (could have been someone else) leg with his skate blade + Edvinsson (already buried and Wings have Sandin-Pellikka coming up) for Zegras, maybe throw in a late pick (4th+).

I wouldn't touch Zegras for that. ASP is not "coming up." He is not NHL ready in the slightest. Do people even bother to watch him play? There is no way in hell he can defend at an acceptable level in the NHL given his lack of strength and reach. We aren't seeing him full-time in the NHL until 25-26 at the absolute earliest. Ed can actually help us now and will always play further up the roster than ASP. The later won't be trusted with hard defensive matchups which will eat into his minutes.

If we are moving Ed, I want a sure fire #2 center coming back. At this point it is pretty clear that Zegras' future is on the wing. I have time for Veleno. He is one of the few that has taken noticeable steps forward this year and you can't have enough center depth. I would include him in the right deal, but a move for Zegras isn't it.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Maybe we could pay a litte extra and they take Copp. They have so much cap space lol.

copp+reimer++ and we go and get markstrom or vejmelka.

then ltir husso with his groin pull. bam!

Why would zegras be available though? Why can't he or gauthier or whatever move to the wing??

And how positive are we that dreger is 100% on this because I just can't see them trading away zegras because they can't move him to the wing or whatever. perplexing.

And if they did move on from zegras, then I would assume they would want a higher ended defenseman as they just got rid of theirs. (i dont know there prospects)

 

[Frk It]

delete - nvm, missed the full context of the conversation

 

[RedHawkDown]

I wouldn't touch Zegras for that. ASP is not "coming up." He is not NHL ready in the slightest. Do people even bother to watch him play? There is no way in hell he can defend at an acceptable level in the NHL given his lack of strength and reach. We aren't seeing him full-time in the NHL until 25-26 at the absolute earliest. Ed can actually help us now and will always play further up the roster than ASP. The later won't be trusted with hard defensive matchups which will eat into his minutes.

If we are moving Ed, I want a sure fire #2 center coming back. At this point it is pretty clear that Zegras' future is on the wing. I have time for Veleno. He is one of the few that has taken noticeable steps forward this year and you can't have enough center depth. I would include him in the right deal, but a move for Zegras isn't it.

This is too much for me. I'd drive Veleno to Anaheim myself if Zegras was coming back, he is 1000x the player Veleno is, has, or ever will be.

I don't really know why Anaheim would move him or what they'd look to get back, though.

They've got a solid forward core with Carlsson/McTavish/Gauthier/Terry, and a stacked set of D prospects with Minty/Luneau/LaCombe/Zellweger. I would offer something like Rasmussen/Veleno + Berggren + Wallinder + conditional 1st, if they'd consider that. Not more.

 

[gritdash60]

I wouldn't touch Zegras for that. ASP is not "coming up." He is not NHL ready in the slightest. Do people even bother to watch him play? There is no way in hell he can defend at an acceptable level in the NHL given his lack of strength and reach. We aren't seeing him full-time in the NHL until 25-26 at the absolute earliest. Ed can actually help us now and will always play further up the roster than ASP. The later won't be trusted with hard defensive matchups which will eat into his minutes.

If we are moving Ed, I want a sure fire #2 center coming back. At this point it is pretty clear that Zegras' future is on the wing. I have time for Veleno. He is one of the few that has taken noticeable steps forward this year and you can't have enough center depth. I would include him in the right deal, but a move for Zegras isn't it.

Hahah, like Edvinsson is "surefire" #2, dude has been buried in the minors and not even given a chance? If there is a chance we can get Zegras it has to be pursued with as fast as possible, and im sorry but "Copp + extra" isnt the thing that gets it done...

 

[Bench]

I don't really know why Anaheim would move him or what they'd look to get back, though.

I'm not convinced Zegras is all that great and the Ducks probably aren't either. Maybe he fits in as a 2nd line Brayden Schenn style guy somewhere, but I don't know.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

This is too much for me. I'd drive Veleno to Anaheim myself if Zegras was coming back, he is 1000x the player Veleno is, has, or ever will be.

I don't really know why Anaheim would move him or what they'd look to get back, though.

They've got a solid forward core with Carlsson/McTavish/Gauthier/Terry, and a stacked set of D prospects with Minty/Luneau/LaCombe/Zellweger. I would offer something like Rasmussen/Veleno + Berggren + Wallinder + conditional 1st, if they'd consider that. Not more.

No question he is better. However, Veleno + Ed is too much for Zegras, especially for an organization who badly needs to improve their defense. I honestly don't know why people keep bringing up Zegras. People just can't seem to get over him. I also can't see why they would be itching to acquire a defensemen after moving Drysdale.