Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXV

[Dr Jan Itor]

david backs isn't reporting to the ahl and wants a trade to a nhl team that would play him, any interest?

Not only no interest, negative interest.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Trading Zucker would be an educated gamble at this point. The odds of a late 1st + Hallander amounting to a Zucker-level player isn’t great. Though I would argue that it’s about the same as trading for any goalie and hoping that they’re a long-term solution. The problem with trading for a goalie like Murray is that I see huge potential for wasted cap long-term. I personally would never give a goalie more than a 4 year deal, just because the position is extremely Volatile, and if Murray bounces back, he’s going to be looking for a 6-7 year extension. The way I look at it, they’re both gambles. They’re gambles that we can afford to make though do to trading from position of strength. They also come with opening up a roster spot for Kaprizov and a fair amount of Cap Space, if you’re into that kinda thing. On the other hand, when trading a player like say, Brodin, I think you have to be extremely careful. While defense is a position of strength, young top pairing LD is not something we’re overflowing with in the system nor is it something we are even remotely capable of replacing internally.

 

[TaLoN]

david backes isn't reporting to the ahl and wants a trade to a nhl team that would play him, any interest?

Zero

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

david backes isn't reporting to the ahl and wants a trade to a nhl team that would play him, any interest?

Between Rask and Backes, our 13th and 14th forwards would be accounting for roughly 12.5% of our cap space. Not only would that be extremely irritating as an owner to be throwing away money, but you simply cannot win with that much dead money. You mind as well be playing with a salary cap 11 million dollars lower than everyone else.

 

[DANOZ28]

the odds of the return for Zucker replacing his production are slim. I would still only trade Zucker for newhook IF mgmt. was hellbent on trading him.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

david backes isn't reporting to the ahl and wants a trade to a nhl team that would play him, any interest?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

the odds of the return for Zucker replacing his production are slim. I would still only trade Zucker for newhook IF mgmt. was hellbent on trading him.

The odds of a 16OA pick replacing Zucker’s production are t great either.

 

[TaLoN]

the odds of the return for Zucker replacing his production are slim. I would still only trade Zucker for newhook IF mgmt. was hellbent on trading him.

I don't think those odds are as slim as you think.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

the odds of the return for Zucker replacing his production are slim. I would still only trade Zucker for newhook IF mgmt. was hellbent on trading him.

We wouldn't be looking for the return to replace his production. We'd be looking for Fiala to replace his production, and then Kaprizov to replace (if not exceed) Fiala's.

 

[TaLoN]

We have to realize around here... if you want to get value, you need to give value.

Everyone wants a better team here, but most just want to trade off low value players to do so. You can't lock up every high value player you have. Not in a cap world, you have to make serious decisions on who you can keep and who you will move because you need to keep mixing in young cheaper players that are impactful.

The problem we have, we are committed to too many older players for a long time. That is squeezing out the intermediate age players right now. Zucker is one that can get a good return while making room for younger incoming wingers in the near future.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

We have to realize around here... if you want to get value, you need to give value.

Everyone wants a better team here, but most just want to trade off low value players to do so. You can't lock up every high value player you have. Not in a cap world, you have to make serious decisions on who you can keep and who you will move because you need to keep mixing in young cheaper players that are impactful.

The problem we have, we are committed to too many older players for a long time. That is squeezing out the intermediate age players right now. Zucker is one that can get a good return while making room for younger incoming wingers in the near future.

So keep the old guys - get rid of the mid age guys - keep the young guys ?

Then pray a few of the prospects pan out ?

Recipe for a long painful 5+ years

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

So keep the old guys - get rid of the mid age guys - keep the young guys ?

Then pray a few of the prospects pan out ?

Recipe for a long painful 5+ years

Can’t trade the older guys. I don’t think anyone thinks we’re in a great position. If this team wants to turn it around, a fair bit of luck needs to be involved.

 

[TaLoN]

So keep the old guys - get rid of the mid age guys - keep the young guys ?

Then pray a few of the prospects pan out ?

Recipe for a long painful 5+ years

We don't exactly have a choice on the old guys. NMCs for them. We can hope and pray we can get one or 2 to waive, but 2 of them have near death cap penalties if they do and then retire shortly after that makes even asking... not exactly desirable.

Don't have to get rid of all the middle guys, but sure as hell can't keep them all.

 

[Bazeek]

So keep the old guys - get rid of the mid age guys - keep the young guys ?

Then pray a few of the prospects pan out ?

Recipe for a long painful 5+ years

If this team didn't have the NMC's that it does this would be a very different conversation.

 

[TaLoN]

We've made one BIG commitment to one of the middle guys already with Spurgeon, that means likely 2 of Zucker, Brodin, Dumba will have to go.

I've mentioned before that I'm in favor of selling high, not low... so the two I look to move are Zucker and Brodin. Brodin is at all time peak value right now... I'd be looking for serious return there first and foremost right now.

I don't consider moving Dumba until after he bounces back... so not likely until next year at the earliest.

Zucker needs to be moved because of the log jam at wing with more wings coming soon. Get Fiala back on the left where he belongs, Kap takes his spot on the right, still going to need room for Boldy in 1-2yrs... who knows what the draft brings us that may affect things yet.

 

[AKL]

I'd honestly be fine with moving Foligno/Donato/Greenway over Zucker if you could promise me that Parise would play bottom six and Fiala, Zucker, Kaprizov and Zuccarello would be the top 6 wingers.

But if we trade one of Foligno/Donato/Greenway, I get the hunch that one of Kaprizov or Fiala will be playing in the bottom six. Especially if Boudreau is still coaching.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Dumba's numbers are low, but we don't know that his value is. GMs probably aren't as fickle as we are.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'd honestly be fine with moving Foligno/Donato/Greenway over Zucker if you could promise me that Parise would play bottom six and Fiala, Zucker, Kaprizov and Zuccarello would be the top 6 wingers.

But if we trade one of Foligno/Donato/Greenway, I get the hunch that one of Kaprizov or Fiala will be playing in the bottom six. Especially if Boudreau is still coaching.

Zucker - Staal - Kaprizov
Fiala - Khovanov* - Zuccarello
Parise - Eriksson Ek - Kunin
Greenway - Sturm/Rask - Hartman

Khovanov gets an honest look, and if he needs to go Iowa after a bit, JEE moves up, Sturm moves up.

 

[TaLoN]

Dumba's numbers are low, but we don't know that his value is. GMs probably aren't as fickle as we are.

And we'll know that if he returned a top center...I just don't think trade can be had right now.

If we could get Anaheim to trade Zegras in a deal for Dumba, I'd be all for it, though I don't think Anaheim is in a position to give up a player like Zegras at center for a top defenseman. They need Zegras as much as we need a player like him.

 

[Bazeek]

Zucker - Staal - Kaprizov
Fiala - Khovanov* - Zuccarello
Parise - Eriksson Ek - Kunin
Greenway - Sturm/Rask - Hartman

Khovanov gets an honest look, and if he needs to go Iowa after a bit, JEE moves up, Sturm moves up.

And Parise gets to keep his powerplay minutes if you leave Zucker off.

 

[AKL]

Of course that lineup gets tricky when we win the lottery and draft Lafreniere

Then you have to move Zucker and take Parise's PP time

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Of course that lineup gets tricky when we win the lottery and draft Lafreniere

Then you have to move Zucker and take Parise's PP time

Lafreniere-Ek-Kaprizov
Zucker-Khovanov-Fiala
Parise-Staal-Zuccarello
Greenway-Sturm-Kunin
Donato-Rask-Hartman

that’s depth on the wings

 

[Bazeek]

Lafreniere-Ek-Kaprizov
Zucker-Khovanov-Fiala
Parise-Staal-Zuccarello
Greenway-Sturm-Kunin
Donato-Rask-Hartman

that’s depth on the wings

The prototypical 5-line team.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

The prototypical 5-line team.

When you’re 5th line LW fills in as 1C when you have injuries

 

[Wabit]

Saw on twitter that Kreider got hurt earlier today. Not sure how severe. Could have a factor on Zuckers trade value though if he’s out for a bit

I don't think it will have any effect on his trade value. Kreider, Toffoli, Zucker, Kovlchuk, Pageau, Granny, etc could all be available at the TDL. Zucker's value is as much his term as it is him as a player.