Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXV

[BuiumSaveUs]

At that point in time, assuming this was before the season started, Dumba was ~23 year old RHD that just had a 50 point season. Nylander was a ~21 year old winger that had back-to-back 20 goal, 60 point seasons.

If it was during the season, then it very well could've added a 20+ goal, ~60 point pace notch to Dumba's resumé.

The addition of Nino is curious.

I almost feel like Nino would’ve had to be viewed as a a cap dump by Fenton

 

[nickschultzfan]

I almost feel like Nino would’ve had to be viewed as a a cap dump by Fenton

I think it was Kurvers on Russo's Athletic podcast that suggested that this is pretty much what Fenton & Co. thought. Pure dump plus getting a depth center back which is just an add on.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Russo said on RS show that he has heard that Fenton offered Dumba and Nino for Nylander last year before Nylander got his new contract and Toronto said no. I wonder how much Toronto not being able to take on that much cap came into play

Not a bad offer. Glad Fenton made it at least.

 

[BlackBusa24]

Not a bad offer. Glad Fenton made it at least.

I'm not sure I agree... Value of Nino aside... Dumba last year had a value way higher than Nylander... At least in my eyes

I was also higher on Nino than most. In the right situation I think his contract had the opportunity to have positive value. Just have a hard time seeing him being a Cap dump

 

[Bazeek]

On Reinhart: if we're circling back to the idea of a guy that was drafted as a center but has spent most of his NHL time at the wing... I can think of a UFA that probably won't cost much and might be interested in a 1-year "rehab" deal playing next to guys he's had success with in the past.

It wouldn't be my Plan A or even Plan B, but if the trade options for a center really aren't there this summer... I'd probably be game.

 

[Wabit]

On Reinhart: if we're circling back to the idea of a guy that was drafted as a center but has spent most of his NHL time at the wing... I can think of a UFA that probably won't cost much and might be interested in a 1-year "rehab" deal playing next to guys he's had success with in the past.

It wouldn't be my Plan A or even Plan B, but if the trade options for a center really aren't there this summer... I'd probably be game.

If you're talking about Haula. Both Nino and Pommer are gone, and they are the ones he had the best success with. Heck the only FWD on the team Haula really had any time playing with is Parise, and that wasn't a whole lot. Staal is better than him. JEE is the one that will play against other team top lines. That would leave Haula in the same situation that he's currently at in Car.

I'm not against bringing him back. I'm just not sure he'd take a deal that would be good for MN. Maybe it'll be a 2 year deal and Seattle will take him.

 

[Prior]

I think he’s talking about Granlund and signing him to be a center on a year trial.

It’s intriguing if the Wild truly can’t find ANY quality top 6 center talent. But the Granlund center experience did crash and burn pretty hard.

 

[Wabit]

I think he’s talking about Granlund and signing him to be a center on a year trial.

It’s intriguing if the Wild truly can’t find ANY quality top 6 center talent. But the Granlund center experience did crash and burn pretty hard.

Granny as a center shouldn't even be crossing the GMs mind, he doesn't fit anywhere as a wing either.

 

[Bazeek]

I was indeed talking about Granlund.

I don't think he's really a center and wouldn't pay him $6m+ with term and trade protection to play as one in our top-6. But 1 year at $4m to play 2/3C and run a powerplay unit after the trade or UFA markets fail us? We'd be coming down to choices like him, Rask, Sturm, Koivu, or Khovanov.

I also think the degree to which he's failed at center is somewhat overstated (something I'm guilty of, too). His offense really bloomed once he shifted to wing and I know he commented on it being much easier, but my recollection was that he was okay defensively but just weak overall. Regardless of position he's not that player anymore and the very brief stint he played at center before the Nashville trade was fine. Not great, but at least on par with what we've seen from Rask at 2C.

It's an awkward fit, but the advantage would be possibly low term and money for a UFA to either bridge the gap until Khovanov is ready or buy more time for a trade. A guy like Haula would be good, but in comparison he'll probably need much more of a commitment.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I was indeed talking about Granlund.

I don't think he's really a center and wouldn't pay him $6m+ with term and trade protection to play as one in our top-6. But 1 year at $4m to play 2/3C and run a powerplay unit after the trade or UFA markets fail us? We'd be coming down to choices like him, Rask, Sturm, Koivu, or Khovanov.

I also think the degree to which he's failed at center is somewhat overstated (something I'm guilty of, too). His offense really bloomed once he shifted to wing and I know he commented on it being much easier, but my recollection was that he was okay defensively but just weak overall. Regardless of position he's not that player anymore and the very brief stint he played at center before the Nashville trade was fine. Not great, but at least on par with what we've seen from Rask at 2C.

It's an awkward fit, but the advantage would be possibly low term and money for a UFA to either bridge the gap until Khovanov is ready or buy more time for a trade. A guy like Haula would be good, but in comparison he'll probably need much more of a commitment.

I don't mind it from our side, but I doubt Granlund would want to take a "prove it" deal at a position that he knows hasn't quite worked out already.

 

[Bazeek]

I don't mind it from our side, but I doubt Granlund would want to take a "prove it" deal at a position that he knows hasn't quite worked out already.

I think it'd come down to what he thinks he's capable of. If he's decided that he just doesn't like playing center and prefers the wing it'd make no sense. If he thinks he's capable and it's mostly a matter of opportunity... proving an ability to play center is a nice bullet point on a UFA resume.

I think you're probably right, though.

 

[57special]

We could just lie to him, tell him we have a slot for him on the wing, and then when he arrives at camp, say that we changed our minds, and that we see him as a C.

I would definitely take a chance on Granny with a prove it deal. I'd sure as he'll rather have him than Rask at C.

 

[Bazeek]

We could just lie to him, tell him we have a slot for him on the wing, and then when he arrives at camp, say that we changed our minds, and that we see him as a C.

I would definitely take a chance on Granny with a prove it deal. I'd sure as he'll rather have him than Rask at C.

Considering the circumstances around trading him, this seems like the ultimate **** move

 

[57special]

 

[Wabit]

We could just lie to him, tell him we have a slot for him on the wing, and then when he arrives at camp, say that we changed our minds, and that we see him as a C.

I would definitely take a chance on Granny with a prove it deal. I'd sure as he'll rather have him than Rask at C.

I'd rather have Rask as a 3C over Granny.

 

[Al Lagoon]

I'm starting to think our own Luke Kunin would be a future possibility as a #2 center. He is trending in a positive direction.

 

[Wabit]

I'm starting to think our own Luke Kunin would be a future possibility as a #2 center. He is trending in a positive direction.

I think he's better off as a wing.

 

[AKL]

I'm starting to think our own Luke Kunin would be a future possibility as a #2 center. He is trending in a positive direction.

I don't think it's necessarily out of the question, but if we were going to play him as a center, we should have been developing as a center for the last three years, probably in the AHL. Not bouncing him around between the two leagues and giving him the Coyle treatment.

 

[Al Lagoon]

I don't think it's necessarily out of the question, but if we were going to play him as a center, we should have been developing as a center for the last three years, probably in the AHL. Not bouncing him around between the two leagues and giving him the Coyle treatment.

He does take regular defensive zone face-offs on his strong side, albeit not greatly - to me, he will be an asset no matter position or line. I do think he would fill that role better than Granlund, hence my post.

 

[Webster]

Guerin new top priority...goaltending must be fixed.

 

[WILDTATE10]

Saw on twitter that Kreider got hurt earlier today. Not sure how severe. Could have a factor on Zuckers trade value though if he’s out for a bit

 

[Bazeek]

Saw on twitter that Kreider got hurt earlier today. Not sure how severe. Could have a factor on Zuckers trade value though if he’s out for a bit

All the more reason to not be hasty with anything.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Guerin new top priority...goaltending must be fixed.

New?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Guerin new top priority...goaltending must be fixed.

I think if he cared about this season it would’ve been fixed

 

[Nsjohnson]

Have to think that every game in the next three weeks will be under scrutiny. Trade deadline is this month, and GMBG has some thinking to do, calls to take, and well, maybe trades to make.

If there's a shakeup the season could really turn ugly. Our draft position I guess would be thankful.