Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[tbcwpg]

Schmidt. Why would they want him back if they already traded him once?

You quoted a proposal of Pionk for Garland. Schmidt was not mentioned.

 

[Huffer]

Good luck

Agreed, although that is a fair value IMO. Not with Stanley and the 1st mind you, but Dubois and Pulock IMO is easily fair value.

 

[ERYX]

what are the chances chevy makes an in-season trade this early? other than PLD+3rd for Laine+Roslovic, in recent years he doesn't do much dealing in the season till TDL

I was going to say maybe a track suit needs to be thrown in a shower ... but even that trade didn't happen until mid-February. The trade deadline is usually late February/early March I believe?

 

[RabidOne]

You quoted a proposal of Pionk for Garland. Schmidt was not mentioned.

Doh!
Thought that was the Schmidt proposal.
I would do that trade. Except the Canucks still don't have the cap space.

 

[Jet]

Schmidt. Why would they want him back if they already traded him once?

Teams have been known to reacquire players.

I think the issue would be cap - thats why we should grab JT Miller?

Its obviously highly unlikely since they just signed him and he's almost a ppg guy who had 99 points last year but maybe if we sweeten?

 

[RabidOne]

Teams have been known to reacquire players.

I think the issue would be cap - thats why we should grab JT Miller?

Its obviously highly unlikely since they just signed him and he's almost a ppg guy who had 99 points last year but maybe if we sweeten?

Fine if you know 2 things about Miller: He is not a center. He fills in there every now and again, but he spends more time and is a better player on the wing. He is also pretty high event, gives up some pretty bad defensive performances.

 

[Jet]

Fine if you know 2 things about Miller: He is not a center. He fills in there every now and again, but he spends more time and is a better player on the wing. He is also pretty high event, gives up some pretty bad defensive performances.

So he'll fit right in haha

I dont think we need a center anyways so him playing wing is fine

 

[DRW204]

I was going to say maybe a track suit needs to be thrown in a shower ... but even that trade didn't happen until mid-February. The trade deadline is usually late February/early March I believe?

i was going to include the kane trade too, but was going off recent years. that was 7-8 years ago now, so i mean since that one just the laine deal comes to mind. yes that was close to the TDL in Feb. and like you mentioned, that was basically in response to a team mutiny against Kane. he probably had to deal Kane at that point.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

what are the chances chevy makes an in-season trade this early? other than PLD+3rd for Laine+Roslovic, in recent years he doesn't do much dealing in the season till TDL

Its all about the circumstances.

Pionk performed badly last year. We hoped he would be better this year. Instead he seems to be dragging JMo down with him, like he appeared to do with Dillon last year. If we could get a decent F in exchange for him, maybe we should do that. Unfortunately, we don't have a straightforward path to replacing Pionk, but if he doesn't up his play we don't need much to replace him.

I'm still hoping he turns it around, but if opportunity knocks, Chevy needs to answer.

OTOH, if Pionk is playing that poorly, who will want him and his contract?

 

[voyageur]

what are the chances chevy makes an in-season trade this early? other than PLD+3rd for Laine+Roslovic, in recent years he doesn't do much dealing in the season till TDL

Probably negligible. The Dubois-Laine/Roslovic trade was precipitated by a couple of things, Dubois's shift, Roslovic's holdout. And dollars and cents.

The extent of Ehlers injury (is it a groin injury?) might force a move, as the Jets were already thin in top 6 talent to start the year.

Its all about the circumstances.

Pionk performed badly last year. We hoped he would be better this year. Instead he seems to be dragging JMo down with him, like he appeared to do with Dillon last year. If we could get a decent F in exchange for him, maybe we should do that. Unfortunately, we don't have a straightforward path to replacing Pionk, but if he doesn't up his play we don't need much to replace him.

I'm still hoping he turns it around, but if opportunity knocks, Chevy needs to answer.

OTOH, if Pionk is playing that poorly, who will want him and his contract?

Jets aren't trading Pionk, especially for some shitty Conor Garland, who isn't from Minnesota and doesn't know a single player on this team, and just represents another small overpaid forward. Especially when Vancouver already has Myers, Bear, Schenn, Burroughs, and Poolman on IR, all RHD. Pionk is 2nd on the Jets in points for d-men and the only defenseman with a goal, in fact 3 of them, (check that Schmidt has 1). Anyone that thinks Heinola is going to step in and put up 6 points in 9 games is probably delusional. He might get some points on the PP, where Pionk has struggled mightily, but that's still not an excuse to trade Pionk, who is clearly one of the better d-men on this team, that has a combined 4 points from its # 3-6 defensemen.

 

[fmrdh]

Luke Kunin might be worth a look as a cheap bottom 9 RHS forward option. Still young at 24 so he might have some growth in him yet and he plays with a bit of an edge.

2.7M AAV

Sharks probably looking at moving anybody and everybody.

 

[Jet]

Its all about the circumstances.

Pionk performed badly last year. We hoped he would be better this year. Instead he seems to be dragging JMo down with him, like he appeared to do with Dillon last year. If we could get a decent F in exchange for him, maybe we should do that. Unfortunately, we don't have a straightforward path to replacing Pionk, but if he doesn't up his play we don't need much to replace him.

I'm still hoping he turns it around, but if opportunity knocks, Chevy needs to answer.

OTOH, if Pionk is playing that poorly, who will want him and his contract?

I don't think he's playing that poorly. Definitely not as good as his first full season here but not bad

We should give him and the rest of the team more than 9 games to get used to the new coaches and systems

 

[Buffdog]

If the rumors were true and PLD wants to be in a bigger market (and would be open to somewhere outside montreal), I wonder if something around PLD for Horvat would be doable. Of course we'd have to talk to Horvat before hand to iron out an extension. Vancouver will have Miller at 8M and pettersson at 7.3M down the middle already though... not sure if they need another big ticket guy like PLD (or Horvat for that matter).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Probably negligible. The Dubois-Laine/Roslovic trade was precipitated by a couple of things, Dubois's shift, Roslovic's holdout. And dollars and cents.

The extent of Ehlers injury (is it a groin injury?) might force a move, as the Jets were already thin in top 6 talent to start the year.

Jets aren't trading Pionk, especially for some shitty Conor Garland, who isn't from Minnesota and doesn't know a single player on this team, and just represents another small overpaid forward. Especially when Vancouver already has Myers, Bear, Schenn, Burroughs, and Poolman on IR, all RHD. Pionk is 2nd on the Jets in points for d-men and the only defenseman with a goal, in fact 3 of them, (check that Schmidt has 1). Anyone that thinks Heinola is going to step in and put up 6 points in 9 games is probably delusional. He might get some points on the PP, where Pionk has struggled mightily, but that's still not an excuse to trade Pionk, who is clearly one of the better d-men on this team, that has a combined 4 points from its # 3-6 defensemen.

How's his defence been?

Edit: I don't think there is actually any chance of Pionk being traded either. We don't have a replacement. But it has been tossed around here, so I considered the possibility.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't think he's playing that poorly. Definitely not as good as his first full season here but not bad

We should give him and the rest of the team more than 9 games to get used to the new coaches and systems

Yeah, I don't think he has been THAT bad either. Some here do though. If they are right and he is that bad then the issue of replacing him is simplified. It becomes addition by subtraction. But like I said, if he really is playing that badly, who is going to want him?

I think he has had a couple of good games and a couple of bad ones. Lets see which side of that ledger he settles down on. I think he still has it in him to be good.

 

[AlaskaJet]

Schmidt's not a RHD.

Nucks need to gain cap space. They seriously need Dmen, either side.



Who the hell is Big Sak?

Saku Maenalaenen or Metalineman..

 

[bumblebeeman]

So what do y'all think happens with Dubois? Trade at trade deadline, in offseason, signs long term with Jets, signs another 1 year deal to go UFA. Seems like all the options.

 

[WaveRaven]

Doubt PLD will sign. Perfetti is proving to me he can fill that spot. So moving him does not worry me as much.

They aren't moving anyone IMHO. They think they can make playoffs and push it all to next off season.

 

[DRW204]

So what do y'all think happens with Dubois? Trade at trade deadline, in offseason, signs long term with Jets, signs another 1 year deal to go UFA. Seems like all the options.

if we're in a PO spot at the TDL they'll keep him rest of season. hope he changes his tune in the off-season , if not he is dealt.

if we're considerably out of it, and PLD still won't extend they move him.

so just depends where we are in Feb.

 

[BoneDocUK]

So what do y'all think happens with Dubois? Trade at trade deadline, in offseason, signs long term with Jets, signs another 1 year deal to go UFA. Seems like all the options.

PLD is moving on, likely Heinola also if they can find a buyer.

Cole P should become a playmaking winger who plays like a centre, but that still leaves us without a crash n' bang 2 centre with skill like PLD until Tony the Tiger comes along, unless Lucius can fill that bill.

 

[Jet]

So what do y'all think happens with Dubois? Trade at trade deadline, in offseason, signs long term with Jets, signs another 1 year deal to go UFA. Seems like all the options.

I really don't see Dubie moved at the deadline. I know people have little faith but I do think we will be a playoff team with the potential to do some damage (any team with Helle as their goalie could).

I think he'll be moved in the offseason. Makes the most sense for both sides, more because of the ridiculousness that happened with the media and fans this offseason.
I personally would love to re-sign him as I don't think big strong C's who have good speed and can score are something you should ever let go.

Maybe we can still do a Dubie/Dach swap this offseason. I think Dubois is what Kirby is tracking to become - and the trade off is youth and team control for established play history in the NHL.

 

[surixon]

I really don't see Dubie moved at the deadline. I know people have little faith but I do think we will be a playoff team with the potential to do some damage (any team with Helle as their goalie could).

I think he'll be moved in the offseason. Makes the most sense for both sides, more because of the ridiculousness that happened with the media and fans this offseason.
I personally would love to re-sign him as I don't think big strong C's who have good speed and can score are something you should ever let go.

Maybe we can still do a Dubie/Dach swap this offseason. I think Dubois is what Kirby is tracking to become - and the trade off is youth and team control for established play history in the NHL.

I still am not ruling out that he signs a mid term extension here if we have a good year and he sees the possibility to win here. He may not want to go to Montreal until their build is further along.

If he doesn't sign then I deal him at the draft.

 

[Buffdog]

I think there will be a lot of moving parts in PLD's decision to walk to UFA, sign an extension here, or ask to be moved to a team that could/would extend him.

I honestly haven't looked at the lay of the land in terms of teams that will need a top six C in two years. How many are there that are an attractive market to him that also have the cap space for what he'll be asking?

I know we are one team that will be situated with the cap for sure to make it happen. I also think a playoff run with a rejuvenated full White Out might have some sway.

In other words, I'm more optimistic than most about him maybe choosing to be here long term if the room is better and the team is winning (lots of smiles and hugs after KFC's gwg last night - almost looked like they were having fun)

 

[voyageur]

I think there will be a lot of moving parts in PLD's decision to walk to UFA, sign an extension here, or ask to be moved to a team that could/would extend him.

I honestly haven't looked at the lay of the land in terms of teams that will need a top six C in two years. How many are there that are an attractive market to him that also have the cap space for what he'll be asking?

I know we are one team that will be situated with the cap for sure to make it happen. I also think a playoff run with a rejuvenated full White Out might have some sway.

In other words, I'm more optimistic than most about him maybe choosing to be here long term if the room is better and the team is winning (lots of smiles and hugs after KFC's gwg last night - almost looked like they were having fun)

The Cap is expected to go up enough that every team will be able to afford Dubois, and that free agent crop is looking like it will have Matthews, Dubois, Aho, Scheifele, Pettersson, Lindholm among others, so get your pocket books ready. Agents have prepared for it.

The team is having fun, because they're winning. Winning is fun. 2018 team was a pretty happy group. Didn't take long for the fissures to show.

All I know is that Chevy is going to be left with some real hard decisions to make on his roster at the end of this season, with so much of the core approaching UFA status. I think he knew this team could win, with the group they have, but the true test for him as GM is coming.

 

[Weezeric]

I still am not ruling out that he signs a mid term extension here if we have a good year and he sees the possibility to win here. He may not want to go to Montreal until their build is further along.

If he doesn't sign then I deal him at the draft.

I agree with this. If PLD signs, it will be for something like 4 years at 8M. He will be well situated for a big contract at 29.

If Scheifele signs around 10M, having your top 2 centres for 18M is pretty decent with the cap rising as fast as it’s supposed to. Lots of young wingers coming too