Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Hunter368]

I hate the idea of trading Dillon, but with the news update on Jake M (Leafs) being out longer........time might be now to take a good offer on Dillon. Then that opens up one spot for one of the kids, plus the return would help our forward group. I would sooner trade Nate, but Leafs need a LHD (Nate is left handed but likes play the right side) and Dillon would return more via trade, plus Dillon fits the Leafs needs more then Nate.

Dillon to the Leafs, for a forward to help our scoring. Robertson? Leafs likely don't want to lose more forward depth, they likely want to give up picks only. LTIR allows them to take Dillon without giving back salary if desired.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

If Dillon is traded then who takes all our penalties lol

No thanks to Robertson.

I see Dillon ending up on the west coast (Vancouver la sj anaheim)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I still am not ruling out that he signs a mid term extension here if we have a good year and he sees the possibility to win here. He may not want to go to Montreal until their build is further along.

If he doesn't sign then I deal him at the draft.

Habs seem to be in pretty good shape at C and at LW. Even if he is a FA, I don't know that Mtl wants him badly enough to pay the contract he would bring, much less trade assets to get him. I think there is still a fair chance he resigns here.

Yes, if he doesn't sign, then move him.

 

[voyageur]

Habs seem to be in pretty good shape at C and at LW. Even if he is a FA, I don't know that Mtl wants him badly enough to pay the contract he would bring, much less trade assets to get him. I think there is still a fair chance he resigns here.

Yes, if he doesn't sign, then move him.

People believed that about Trouba too, right up until the end there was a fanbase that said Chevy should break the bank to keep him here, believing that he would stay, even suggesting moving Buff to make it happen. Then Trouba played his cards and left the Jets with no options but a trade dictated by the only team he would re-sign with. It sure looks eerily similar to me the path Dubois is on. Except Dubois has never held out because he refused to play a certain position, though I think there was behind the scenes rumblings to have him play centre here over Stastny, last year.

 

[tbcwpg]

I hate the idea of trading Dillon, but with the news update on Jake M (Leafs) being out longer........time might be now to take a good offer on Dillon. Then that opens up one spot for one of the kids, plus the return would help our forward group. I would sooner trade Nate, but Leafs need a LHD (Nate is left handed but likes play the right side) and Dillon would return more via trade, plus Dillon fits the Leafs needs more then Nate.

Dillon to the Leafs, for a forward to help our scoring. Robertson? Leafs likely don't want to lose more forward depth, they likely want to give up picks only. LTIR allows them to take Dillon without giving back salary if desired.

It wouldn't be a young guy like Robertson, the Leafs aren't THAT desperate. I think someone like Kerfoot is available - they want to shed salary for sure. LTIR helps right now but they could have a headache later in the year, especially if they want to make a deadline move, so they'd have to send some sort of contract back.

If you traded Dillon for Kerfoot, say, you'd have a 3rd line forward and it opens up a spot for Heinola. Wouldn't be a bad deal necessarily.

 

[Hunter368]

It wouldn't be a young guy like Robertson, the Leafs aren't THAT desperate. I think someone like Kerfoot is available - they want to shed salary for sure. LTIR helps right now but they could have a headache later in the year, especially if they want to make a deadline move, so they'd have to send some sort of contract back.

If you traded Dillon for Kerfoot, say, you'd have a 3rd line forward and it opens up a spot for Heinola. Wouldn't be a bad deal necessarily.

Agreed, Kerfoot, while is no great player but he would add to the bottom six and save us some cap

 

[larmex99]

It wouldn't be a young guy like Robertson, the Leafs aren't THAT desperate. I think someone like Kerfoot is available - they want to shed salary for sure. LTIR helps right now but they could have a headache later in the year, especially if they want to make a deadline move, so they'd have to send some sort of contract back.

If you traded Dillon for Kerfoot, say, you'd have a 3rd line forward and it opens up a spot for Heinola. Wouldn't be a bad deal necessarily.

I think there will be a lot of disappointed posters if Ville gets the ice time that you are talking about without learning to play D. A soft as butter strictly O defensemen isn’t what is going to fix our D.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think there will be a lot of disappointed posters if Ville gets the ice time that you are talking about without learning to play D. A soft as butter strictly O defensemen isn’t what is going to fix our D.

I think you'd put Heinola on the 3rd pair to start, not directly replace Dillon. I think Samberg could do alright on the 2nd pairing and then Heinola/Stanley give you different things on the 3rd pair depending on what you want that particular night.

Our D hasn't worked well with supposed tough stay at home types so why not try something a little different?

 

[Hunter368]

I think there will be a lot of disappointed posters if Ville gets the ice time that you are talking about without learning to play D. A soft as butter strictly O defensemen isn’t what is going to fix our D.

Agreed, I know there is a lot of fans of Villa here, not 100% sure why but there is. He needs to improve his defensive game to add any real value. He's small, soft physically, decent offensively and weak defensively. Anyone thinking he's going immediately improve our top 4 is going to disappointed. AT this point he needs to sheltered big time until he learns the defensive side if he ever does. Three NHL coaches in a row have passed on Villa for good reason on this roster, once he's ready then he's ready. AT this stage he's bottom pairing D with potential as top 4 one day.

 

[Weezeric]

Thoughts on claiming Aubé-Kubel? Horrible possession stats until you see how hard he’s been slammed in the defensive zone. Scored at a decent pace last year.

 

[tbcwpg]

Thoughts on claiming Aubé-Kubel? Horrible possession stats until you see how hard he’s been slammed in the defensive zone. Scored at a decent pace last year.

Based on his name and Cup run experience I don't think he gets down to the Jets.

 

[larmex99]

I think you'd put Heinola on the 3rd pair to start, not directly replace Dillon. I think Samberg could do alright on the 2nd pairing and then Heinola/Stanley give you different things on the 3rd pair depending on what you want that particular night.

Our D hasn't worked well with supposed tough stay at home types so why not try something a little different?

Might work out but the team still has a shot at a good season and I would hope that they would keep Dillon while they try to get Ville up to speed.

 

[tbcwpg]

Might work out but the team still has a shot at a good season and I would hope that they would keep Dillon while they try to get Ville up to speed.

I don't think you can keep Dillon AND get Ville up to speed. There are too many spots and 3 younger Dmen.

 

[DRW204]

The time to have tried out all these younger dmen was when we had the likes of sbisa, biteto, Beaulieu, dhalstrom, Poolman, Forbort, and Benn to a lesser extent occupying spots. Now you got vets that are better and high cap hits, and the team is 6-3-1 they're not moving anyone just to get a young guy in. There's one spot which is primarily Stanley's I think, and Samberg is the fill in. The idea of a rotation sounds nice.... How often have the Jets ever done this

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I think you'd put Heinola on the 3rd pair to start, not directly replace Dillon. I think Samberg could do alright on the 2nd pairing and then Heinola/Stanley give you different things on the 3rd pair depending on what you want that particular night.

Our D hasn't worked well with supposed tough stay at home types so why not try something a little different?

Personally, I would rather keep Dillon for now. The loss of Dillon would make our D cotton ball soft. Especially if the add is Heinola, with Stan not being available for 2-3 weeks.

I am in favor though of trying something a little different and although not ideal, it involves trialing Heinola in Demelo's spot. Can Heinola adjust on the right side, well I don't know, but it seems obvious to me that Heinola is going to need a look on the Jets and soon. I think DeMelo is overvalued by some and Heinola will come close to matching his defense and certainly offer more offense and puck movement. If it works, we could then move DeMelo. Our dearth of Right D does limit my conviction to trading DeMelo, but hey, if it works, it works.

I wanted to rage a little on DeMelo getting beat last night on that goal, but after rewatching that play several times last night after getting home from the game, that was a very good play by Montreal. I would be okay watching Heinola get beat on a very good play, if the potential is there to give something back. DeMelo doesn't have that and never will.

 

[gojetsgo]

The time to have tried out all these younger dmen was when we had the likes of sbisa, biteto, Beaulieu, dhalstrom, Poolman, Forbort, and Benn to a lesser extent occupying spots. Now you got vets that are better and high cap hits, and the team is 6-3-1 they're not moving anyone just to get a young guy in. There's one spot which is primarily Stanley's I think, and Samberg is the fill in. The idea of a rotation sounds nice.... How often have the Jets ever done this

they took stanley out for the avs game and samberg looked good but got injured

 

[ulf]

Our d fence would be a lot better if the Jet forwards back checked.
Forwards aren’t slowing down / impeding/ or beating the opposition back to our zone. When they do or there’s more of them doing that….defence won’t be the problem.

 

[KingBogo]

The time to have tried out all these younger dmen was when we had the likes of sbisa, biteto, Beaulieu, dhalstrom, Poolman, Forbort, and Benn to a lesser extent occupying spots. Now you got vets that are better and high cap hits, and the team is 6-3-1 they're not moving anyone just to get a young guy in. There's one spot which is primarily Stanley's I think, and Samberg is the fill in. The idea of a rotation sounds nice.... How often have the Jets ever done this

3 years ago the prospects we now have knocking on the door were still in junior the NCAA or back in Europe.

 

[Weezeric]

The time to have tried out all these younger dmen was when we had the likes of sbisa, biteto, Beaulieu, dhalstrom, Poolman, Forbort, and Benn to a lesser extent occupying spots. Now you got vets that are better and high cap hits, and the team is 6-3-1 they're not moving anyone just to get a young guy in. There's one spot which is primarily Stanley's I think, and Samberg is the fill in. The idea of a rotation sounds nice.... How often have the Jets ever done this

Hah ya, it was the 23 combined games that Dahlstrom and Benn played that made the difference…

Funny that Poolman was one of those young defencemen that got an opportunity. Now that he failed, he’s been trotted out as an example of old players blocking younger ones..

 

[BoneDocUK]

Agreed, I know there is a lot of fans of Villa here, not 100% sure why but there is. He needs to improve his defensive game to add any real value. He's small, soft physically, decent offensively and weak defensively. Anyone thinking he's going immediately improve our top 4 is going to disappointed. AT this point he needs to sheltered big time until he learns the defensive side if he ever does. Three NHL coaches in a row have passed on Villa for good reason on this roster, once he's ready then he's ready. AT this stage he's bottom pairing D with potential as top 4 one day.

I mean. technically Big Dave has been an NHL coach -- but I doubt he will be again. That was a guy thrown into the deep end coaching for his job who was gonna play everything safe and things worked out accordingly.

The time to integrate young D was years ago when there were 1-3 spots available at nay given time -- and we brought in a procession of plugs who played as badly as our pro scouts, GM and coach must have expected they would.

Now we have several #2D, and a few more 4-7D, 2 of whom have large cap hits / salaries and term, and won't be easy to move. In the wings are Heinola. Samberg, Gawanke, Chisholm and (maybe) Lundmark. Schmidt, fun a guy as he is, seems to have been the tipping point here.

If a logjam like this isn't a problem in terms of asset management I'm not sure what is. Now we run the risk of losing young D talent for pennies on the dollar, with the cap consequences and longterm pipeline issues that may also crop up. Steady pipelines, clear dev paths, clear-eyed management of vets with term and cap -- not sure how much of that applies to our D drafting and dev since JMo / Trouba.

Hah ya, it was the 23 combined games that Dahlstrom and Benn played that made the difference…

Funny that Poolman was one of those young defencemen that got an opportunity. Now that he failed, he’s been trotted out as an example of old players blocking younger ones..

Every game they played -- along with Sbisa, Bitetto, Beaulieu and even Forbort -- was a game that a prospect didn't play.

Poolman isn't great, but he's a dev success insofar as he's carved out an NHL career.

 

[Buffdog]

The Cap is expected to go up enough that every team will be able to afford Dubois, and that free agent crop is looking like it will have Matthews, Dubois, Aho, Scheifele, Pettersson, Lindholm among others, so get your pocket books ready. Agents have prepared for it.

The team is having fun, because they're winning. Winning is fun. 2018 team was a pretty happy group. Didn't take long for the fissures to show.

All I know is that Chevy is going to be left with some real hard decisions to make on his roster at the end of this season, with so much of the core approaching UFA status. I think he knew this team could win, with the group they have, but the true test for him as GM is coming.

Are they having fun because they're winning?

OR

Are they winning because they're having fun?

It's a two way street

 

[surixon]

3 years ago the prospects we now have knocking on the door were still in junior the NCAA or back in Europe.

They could have easily allowed Ville to gain traction here down the stretch last year. He was playing well when sent down and according to Lowry was playing too well so they sent him down for the AHL season end and playoffs.

 

[Weezeric]

I mean. technically Big Dave has been an NHL coach -- but I doubt he will be again. That was a guy thrown into the deep end coaching for his job who was gonna play everything safe and things worked out accordingly.

The time to integrate young D was years ago when there were 1-3 spots available at nay given time -- and we brought in a procession of plugs who played as badly as our pro scouts, GM and coach must have expected they would.

Now we have several #2D, and a few more 4-7D, 2 of whom have large cap hits / salaries and term, and won't be easy to move. In the wings are Heinola. Samberg, Gawanke, Chisholm and (maybe) Lundmark. Schmidt, fun a guy as he is, seems to have been the tipping point here.

If a logjam like this isn't a problem in terms of asset management I'm not sure what is. Now we run the risk of losing young D talent for pennies on the dollar, with the cap consequences and longterm pipeline issues that may also crop up. Steady pipelines, clear dev paths, clear-eyed management of vets with term and cap -- not sure how much of that applies to our D drafting and dev since JMo / Trouba.


Every game they played -- along with Sbisa, Bitetto, Beaulieu and even Forbort -- was a game that a prospect didn't play.

Poolman isn't great, but he's a dev success insofar as he's carved out an NHL career.

So when these old 7-8D were playing you would rather have had 18-19 yr old defencemen in the lineup?

Ahh yes, the Atlanta Thrashers model of development. That turned out great.

 

[surixon]

Agreed, I know there is a lot of fans of Villa here, not 100% sure why but there is. He needs to improve his defensive game to add any real value. He's small, soft physically, decent offensively and weak defensively. Anyone thinking he's going immediately improve our top 4 is going to disappointed. AT this point he needs to sheltered big time until he learns the defensive side if he ever does. Three NHL coaches in a row have passed on Villa for good reason on this roster, once he's ready then he's ready. AT this stage he's bottom pairing D with potential as top 4 one day.

I mean I'd rather go with young cost controlled suspect defensive dmen that can likely be molded into something better then the $6 million vet suspect defensively dmen.

I just get a kick out of the Ville sucks defensively so we can't play him narrative. This is an org that has no issue playing dmen who suck in their end. Whether offensive minded or not, heck they don't seem to have an issue paying a combined 13 million bucks for it in terms of cap hit. If this org actually cared about defensive results they dint trade for Schmidt, keel trotting out Stanley, or give Pionk a monster contract for one dimensional offensive play. Either that or they actually believe these guys are good in their end. In which case we need to replace all our defensive pro scouts.

 

[snowkiddin]

Robertson for Dillon would be an absolute coup. Not sure Kerfoot moves the needle for me, though. And he has a limited NTC anyway.

I’d sooner take picks/prospects although we do need some forward help.