Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[DRW204]

That's not at all what I'm suggesting, as I suspect you know.

Integrating youth was a big part of Jets' success in our glory year of 2017-18. Not all of that youth was blue-chip.

So no, we didn't need a lineup of 19 year-olds. But neither Samberg nor Stanley were raw 19 year olds during the years we were fielding plugs that were not and would not be part of the org going forward.

Some prospects need all that seasoning. Some don't. A true draft and dev org that has ambitions to be a perennial playoff team and usual contender needs to have its prospect pipeline full and delivering prospects on time and ready as consistently as possible, IMO.

The one consideration which I, and I think you're forgetting is that samberg had not signed his ELC until the end of the 19-20 year. perhaps could've been used the following year though

 

[Jet]

Agreed, Kerfoot, while is no great player but he would add to the bottom six and save us some cap

I just don't think we should aim that low. I think since we're dealing from a position of strength we need to go after a top 6 guy. That way Wheeler can play third line when Ehlers comes back

 

[Hunter368]

I just don't think we should aim that low. I think since we're dealing from a position of strength we need to go after a top 6 guy. That way Wheeler can play third line when Ehlers comes back

Wow, examples?

 

[tbcwpg]

I just don't think we should aim that low. I think since we're dealing from a position of strength we need to go after a top 6 guy. That way Wheeler can play third line when Ehlers comes back

Aim as high as you want it doesn't change a player's value ultimately. If it's Toronto, as was the original example with Kerfoot, who do you target instead in a trade sending Dillon the other way?

 

[Jet]

Wow, examples?

Marner lol

Aim as high as you want it doesn't change a player's value ultimately. If it's Toronto, as was the original example with Kerfoot, who do you target instead in a trade sending Dillon the other way?

I'm not talking straight swap. Maybe Dillon, prospect, and cap relief?

 

[Heldig]

So what do y'all think happens with Dubois? Trade at trade deadline, in offseason, signs long term with Jets, signs another 1 year deal to go UFA. Seems like all the options.

5 years x 8 million

 

[Hunter368]

Marner lol


I'm not talking straight swap. Maybe Dillon, prospect, and cap relief?

Wow, not sure if that would ever happen, that would be the biggest screw job since Brett Hart

 

[jgimp]

Wow, examples?

Garland? Seems to be on the way out, healthy scratched and appears to be in the bad books with the coach.

 

[bumblebeeman]

5 years x 8 million

Seems fair for both sides

 

[Hunter368]

Garland? Seems to be on the way out, healthy scratched and appears to be in the bad books with the coach.

he has sucked this year with a big contract, big risk

 

[JetsFan815]

he has sucked this year with a big contract, big risk

It's been only 10 games. The guy is only 26 and signed for the next 3 years at a reasonable caphit. He doesn't have a bad injury history and produced well every season and always had good underlying metrics. The odds of him falling off a cliff are low. I would jump on him if the Jets have an opportunity.

I would jump on any trade if either Garland or Hoglander are offered, both these guys seem to be in the doghouse with the club but have all the signs of shining with another club.

 

[voyageur]

I just don't think we should aim that low. I think since we're dealing from a position of strength we need to go after a top 6 guy. That way Wheeler can play third line when Ehlers comes back

After losing the C, getting demoted off PP1, Blake Wheeler is still 2nd on the team in points after 10 games, tied for 1st in 5 on 5 scoring, that would be a real slap in the face.

I like that 2nd line more and more, because Wheeler isn't deferring anymore, he's driving the net getting in scoring positions, he seems to understand how to play with a pass first visionary player like Perfetti, and I would suspect his vision is helping Perfetti see the ice.

I think the top line picks up the minute Ehlers comes back, because that 3rd option is on the ice, teams can't key on Connor the same way, and Scheifele will be able to distribute the puck to either winger, and have a better passer on his line to put pucks in his wheelhouse.

I think Lowry-Appleton will generate chances with more games together. Appleton was getting some quality shots off last night, which he didn't playing with 2 more skilled players, who are shooters.

Gustafsson with Gagner is a solid base for the 4th line.

It's the LWs that play on those bottom lines that I wonder about. Barron has been playing injured, which explains some of his struggles, but he's shown some potential.

Maenalanen and AJF know their roles, but players like Barron and Maenalanen are both waiver eligible, Barron in particular will probably need some AHL time to get back up to speed once he returns so there seems to be a need for a LW who can play in different spots in the lineup, like Copper.

Kerfoot is actually a pretty good comparison to him, but if I'm Chevy I'm not moving any defense yet. An injury rash could deplete the back end at any time, defensemen are the most prone to injury. Coach has 9 for sure he believes in, 7 of which are LH, beyond that I think Chisholm and Gawanke still have to prove themselves.

My guess is as long as the Jets keep winning with role players playing their roles, Harkins, Toninato and Eyssimont are sufficient plugs for the current forward group in Chevy's eyes. Have to think 2 of those guys were the 4th line last year so that's already an improvement in depth.

If Ehlers injury is something that requires surgery I think that may change the way the Jets want to go, but sitting 2 points back of 1st in the Central with a game in hand, the panic button isn't being pushed by anyone.

 

[10Ducky10]

I still want Konecny.
Loved how he was going after AM the other night.
Dillon and a 1st.

Perfetti Scheif Ehlers
KC PLD Konecny
Hark Lowry Wheeler
Gagner Gus Apples

JMo DD
Samberg Schmidt
Heinola Pionk

 

[Heldig]

Konecny was my "hope to get" guy in the summer. He is leading the Flyers on a team doing way better than expected (early) and he is a Torts guy to the core.

 

[Hunter368]

It's been only 10 games. The guy is only 26 and signed for the next 3 years at a reasonable caphit. He doesn't have a bad injury history and produced well every season and always had good underlying metrics. The odds of him falling off a cliff are low. I would jump on him if the Jets have an opportunity.

I would jump on any trade if either Garland or Hoglander are offered, both these guys seem to be in the doghouse with the club but have all the signs of shining with another club.

personally I would sooner have Hoglander

 

[mondo3]

If Matthews looks like he won’t sign in Toronto and especially if Toronto has another poor showing in the playoffs, could PLD for Marner be the basis of a trade?

 

[Channelcat]

5 years x 8 million

Seems high for a 40-60 point player. He should be closer to 5.

 

[Jet]

After losing the C, getting demoted off PP1, Blake Wheeler is still 2nd on the team in points after 10 games, tied for 1st in 5 on 5 scoring, that would be a real slap in the face.

I like that 2nd line more and more, because Wheeler isn't deferring anymore, he's driving the net getting in scoring positions, he seems to understand how to play with a pass first visionary player like Perfetti, and I would suspect his vision is helping Perfetti see the ice.

I think the top line picks up the minute Ehlers comes back, because that 3rd option is on the ice, teams can't key on Connor the same way, and Scheifele will be able to distribute the puck to either winger, and have a better passer on his line to put pucks in his wheelhouse.

I think Lowry-Appleton will generate chances with more games together. Appleton was getting some quality shots off last night, which he didn't playing with 2 more skilled players, who are shooters.

Gustafsson with Gagner is a solid base for the 4th line.

It's the LWs that play on those bottom lines that I wonder about. Barron has been playing injured, which explains some of his struggles, but he's shown some potential.

Maenalanen and AJF know their roles, but players like Barron and Maenalanen are both waiver eligible, Barron in particular will probably need some AHL time to get back up to speed once he returns so there seems to be a need for a LW who can play in different spots in the lineup, like Copper.

Kerfoot is actually a pretty good comparison to him, but if I'm Chevy I'm not moving any defense yet. An injury rash could deplete the back end at any time, defensemen are the most prone to injury. Coach has 9 for sure he believes in, 7 of which are LH, beyond that I think Chisholm and Gawanke still have to prove themselves.

My guess is as long as the Jets keep winning with role players playing their roles, Harkins, Toninato and Eyssimont are sufficient plugs for the current forward group in Chevy's eyes. Have to think 2 of those guys were the 4th line last year so that's already an improvement in depth.

If Ehlers injury is something that requires surgery I think that may change the way the Jets want to go, but sitting 2 points back of 1st in the Central with a game in hand, the panic button isn't being pushed by anyone.

All that makes sense and I do agree. I don't necessarily want to break the bank to get a premier top 6 winger, but I do think we need someone who isn't out of place there.

Appleton hasn't been necessarily bad subbing with 55 and 81, but I think they've been successful in spite of him.

I do agree about Wheeler and I did hesitate to mention sliding him down to the third line. I think we need a guy who can play top 6 as a replacement, as we've seen even one injury there tends to hurt us.

At the end of the day, I don't want to trade Dillon anyway. I like his game and I think replacing him with Heinola throws out balance of and makes us physically weaker in our own zone.

If I was calling the shots I'd be trying to trade heinola for a young winger. I'd have to do some thinking about who that might be.

 

[Jet]

It's been only 10 games. The guy is only 26 and signed for the next 3 years at a reasonable caphit. He doesn't have a bad injury history and produced well every season and always had good underlying metrics. The odds of him falling off a cliff are low. I would jump on him if the Jets have an opportunity.

I would jump on any trade if either Garland or Hoglander are offered, both these guys seem to be in the doghouse with the club but have all the signs of shining with another club.

Yup, I think that a deal with Vancouver and Winnipeg is a good fit.

I think Dillon would have to be the carrot in a Garland deal, but I just don't see the Nucks moving a guy 10 games into a new contract.

Stanley for Hogf***er is very interesting too. We don't really get what we need, as I'm not sure how much offense he'll ever produce, but he would strengthen our bottom 6 and we move Stanley out, preventing him from being a blocker to our ready/ near ready d prospects.

 

[Jack7222]

All that makes sense and I do agree. I don't necessarily want to break the bank to get a premier top 6 winger, but I do think we need someone who isn't out of place there.

Appleton hasn't been necessarily bad subbing with 55 and 81, but I think they've been successful in spite of him.

I do agree about Wheeler and I did hesitate to mention sliding him down to the third line. I think we need a guy who can play top 6 as a replacement, as we've seen even one injury there tends to hurt us.

At the end of the day, I don't want to trade Dillon anyway. I like his game and I think replacing him with Heinola throws out balance of and makes us physically weaker in our own zone.

If I was calling the shots I'd be trying to trade heinola for a young winger. I'd have to do some thinking about who that might be.

Agree here and what this team lacks is a Perreault or Copp. Players who are smart enough to play different styles and good enough to play in the top six in a pinch; we're kind of hamstrung in that we need a player who can gel with both Lowry and Scheifele, but they do exist. I just want to see someone who isn't going to look out of place (as Appleton has, really, imo) in the top six occasionally.

 

[BoneDocUK]

The one consideration which I, and I think you're forgetting is that samberg had not signed his ELC until the end of the 19-20 year. perhaps could've been used the following year though

Fair enough -- I'd forgotten that.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Still i take the same results for 5 million less in terms of cap hit and use thay money to improve the team in other ways.

One way he massively helps rge team is on the pp.

Yep.

I'd also add that Ville isn't exactly tiny, and Nate isn't exactly known for playing a physical game. If Heinola can utilize his strengths in puck retrieval, transition, passing and PP play, including getting most of his shots through -- what are we losing in the inches and pounds Nate gets less out of?

Agree here and what this team lacks is a Perreault or Copp. Players who are smart enough to play different styles and good enough to play in the top six in a pinch; we're kind of hamstrung in that we need a player who can gel with both Lowry and Scheifele, but they do exist. I just want to see someone who isn't going to look out of place (as Appleton has, really, imo) in the top six occasionally.

Agree -- I do think Barron has a shot at being this kind of player, as does Rutger M and maybe even Gus, if his AHL form holds.

 

[Jet]

Yep.

I'd also add that Ville isn't exactly tiny, and Nate isn't exactly known for playing a physical game. If Heinola can utilize his strengths in puck retrieval, transition, passing and PP play, including getting most of his shots through -- what are we losing in the inches and pounds Nate gets less out of?



Agree -- I do think Barron has a shot at being this kind of player, as does Rutger M and maybe even Gus, if his AHL form holds.

I'm on board with this. I like Nate and his personality but I don't really think he's giving value for contract. I don't think there's a huge drop from him to Ville and for a lot less $$$. The problem is, Schmidt isn't worth a ton due to his contract value.

 

[KingBogo]

Yup, I think that a deal with Vancouver and Winnipeg is a good fit.

I think Dillon would have to be the carrot in a Garland deal, but I just don't see the Nucks moving a guy 10 games into a new contract.

Stanley for Hogf***er is very interesting too. We don't really get what we need, as I'm not sure how much offense he'll ever produce, but he would strengthen our bottom 6 and we move Stanley out, preventing him from being a blocker to our ready/ near ready d prospects.

I'm not sure if the Jets see a back log problem on defense. From a win now perspective having good NHL ready defenseman that are waiver exempt playing big minutes on your farm team, which just happens to be in the same city, gives you a lot of depth at a position that suffers a greater share of injuries. With Scheifele and Helly going into the final years of their contracts next season there is a lot of pressure to have a successful season this year, more so than developing prospects in the NHL.

This is especially true with Heinola, from an organizational perspective time is on the Jets side since he is only in year 2 of his ELC, also Dillion's contract expires just as Heinola's ELC ends so their is a position for him to slide into without risking losing him at that time. The fly in the ointment is Heinola wants to play in the NHL now which is understandable. Another fly in the ointment is the Jets also probably don't want to lose Chisholm either after this season, but those decisions can be pushed off until the off season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I hate the idea of trading Dillon, but with the news update on Jake M (Leafs) being out longer........time might be now to take a good offer on Dillon. Then that opens up one spot for one of the kids, plus the return would help our forward group. I would sooner trade Nate, but Leafs need a LHD (Nate is left handed but likes play the right side) and Dillon would return more via trade, plus Dillon fits the Leafs needs more then Nate.

Dillon to the Leafs, for a forward to help our scoring. Robertson? Leafs likely don't want to lose more forward depth, they likely want to give up picks only. LTIR allows them to take Dillon without giving back salary if desired.

Just not happening. Jets are winning and Dillon is playing well.