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Hunter368

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Yeah that does create a bit of an issue, but I think you figure it out.

A jomo Chych pair would be 😍

Maybe swap Heinola for snerg? That makes me nervous but then we could see if heinola can swim or sink.

Dillon Heinola looked to have a lot of chemistry.

Then you could round out the d pairs with capo demelo, who looked really good last night

IIRC Josh has tried RHD, but prefers LHD. Might work as you say

Heinola is LHD but prefers RHD which would fit well with Dillon, plus Dillon covers for Heinola weakness defensively and physically.
 

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Not sure you bring in Bo Horvat to play 3C. 17 would be relegated to 4th line.
Horvat would certainly give you a lot of options in our top 6. What if you moved Scheifele to RW and went Connor-Bo-Scheifele. Having Horvat take over the down low support role would free up a lot of offense for Connor and Scheifele? Then go Perfetti-PLD-Ehlers. Perfetti would get all sorts of open ice with PLD's crashing and Ehlers speed. Drop Wheeler to the 3rd and Jets become one of the deepest forward groups in the league.
 

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IIRC Josh has tried RHD, but prefers LHD. Might work as you say

Heinola is LHD but prefers RHD which would fit well with Dillon, plus Dillon covers for Heinola weakness defensively and physically.
Oh yeah DUH

Silly me :)

So that would mean the pairs could be
Jomo Demelo
Chychrun Pionk
Dillon Heinola

I mean that might work out great. Jomo Demelo is a known positive commodity, Chychrun could compliment Pionk very well, and Dillon Heinola as I said seemed to vibe and having them on the 3rd pair could give them more favorable matchups.

I think that is a very strong D corps
 

Hunter368

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Oh yeah DUH

Silly me :)

So that would mean the pairs could be
Jomo Demelo
Chychrun Pionk
Dillon Heinola

I mean that might work out great. Jomo Demelo is a known positive commodity, Chychrun could compliment Pionk very well, and Dillon Heinola as I said seemed to vibe and having them on the 3rd pair could give them more favorable matchups.

I think that is a very strong D corps

Yup that I would do
 
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The Habs shed a lot of forward salary, not necessarily talent, at the end of this year. Currently their 2nd line C in Monahan who is a UFA. They could very well need a player like Dubois, because their 3rd line guys like Dvorak and Gallagher aren't going to score a lot. He'd be the guy I'd bring Slafkovsky to the next level with if I was thinking like a GM/coach. I just don't see how an agent can say this summer my client thinks Montreal would be a better fit, expecting to be traded there, and just suddenly say, nope we were just fooling. Dubois is going to go to Montreal, he lives there offseason, and he's a proud French Canadien. The timeline is when.

True they are losing Monahan and Drouin, but they still have plenty left. They don't need him. They could create a spot for him easily enough though.

You read my post wrong. I was saying We no longer had the waiver wire plugs we had 3 years ago.

Yes, I did. Sorry.
 

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I think you'd put Heinola on the 3rd pair to start, not directly replace Dillon. I think Samberg could do alright on the 2nd pairing and then Heinola/Stanley give you different things on the 3rd pair depending on what you want that particular night.

Our D hasn't worked well with supposed tough stay at home types so why not try something a little different?
It’s certainly worth trying..not sure Slamberg is up to being the “bad cop” though..
 

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Our d fence would be a lot better if the Jet forwards back checked.
Forwards aren’t slowing down / impeding/ or beating the opposition back to our zone. When they do or there’s more of them doing that….defence won’t be the problem.
Absolutely critical! Bowness’ new system depends on at least the majority of forwards at least getting back with a stick on the play. Connor has the legs, Perfetti too, but I worry about Bambi’s fully buying in, and we all know where a few of the older vets are in their speed/stamina. Keeping the shifts shorter has mitigated/hidden some of the problems, as well as improved offense from the D. No doubt the team is playing better overall. Fingers crossed.
 

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Does anyone like the idea of doing a Chychrun for Schmidt, Heinola + pick deal?

Definite upgrade for the Jets top 4, gets rid of the Heinola problem and opens up a bit of cap space to get a forward.

The downside is it's a bit of a future mortgage for the Jets and JC is a ufa in 25
This year's team is the swan song, I'd venture to say that probably 3 or 4 key vets aren't on this team next year, as Chevy's not going to let everyone walk to UFA, and not going to re-sign everyone, so I don't foresee any major shakeups.

I also don't think the Jets are going big name hunting, because the team is going to need every draft pick they have.

I was looking at good landing spots for Heinola and Carolina is one that I think he'd fit in instantly, and probably supplant De Haan as a starting defenseman. Don Waddell likes defense.

Though he is injured at the moment I was thinking Ryan Suzuki, coached by Ducky, Team Canada guy, quality forward depth with a lot of term left, and William Lagesson to replace Heinola's spot on the Moose, for Ville the kid.
 
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BoneDocUK

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I think any deal now likely involves Heinola and maybe even Chisholm, because I don't see room for either on the Jets going forward. Hopefully for a decent middle 6 forward who can put up some points and move up and down the lineup.
 

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Assuming pld won't sign long term

I'd move heinola+ for horvat if it comes with extension at the tdl. Similar to the mark stone deal to Vegas.
Trade PLD in the off season.
Unless it comes with a huge overpay, what would the motivation be for Horvat to sign long term with the Jets over going to free agency and pick his landing spot from competing offers?
 

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Unless it comes with a huge overpay, what would the motivation be for Horvat to sign long term with the Jets over going to free agency and pick his landing spot from competing offers?

He wouldn't. His best bet is to get to UFA and choose his destination.

He is going to be a great pick up for a team that wants to go for it or needs to go for it. Especially teams with draft capital and asset capital

I mean we could be that team that does look for a rental but you are giving up your 1st and a top tier prospect for him.
 

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Unless it comes with a huge overpay, what would the motivation be for Horvat to sign long term with the Jets over going to free agency and pick his landing spot from competing offers?

I mean why does any pending UFA forgo FA and do trade and signs? It happens often enough that we shouldn't be automatically assuming a player is going to FA after being traded somewhere.

It is often lucrative but at times can really backfile as guys like Klingberg can attest to. Sometimes a guaranteed lucrative contract is the smarter play.

As for fit here he'd look very good in the bumper spot on PP 2 with Cole and Wheeler feeding him.
 

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Horvat is not the answer I'd rather just rebuild than half measures like Horvat.

The Jets aren't likely gonna sign 55 when his contract ends at the end of next season (nor would it be wise to), the Jets also aren't likely gonna sign Helle when his contract after next season either (giving a 31 year old goalie $10m x 8 years that he is going to command in the open market is probably not wise even if he does want to re-sign). With those 2 gone the Jets are gonna be rebuilding anyways and Horvat will just be in the way (not to mention the assets we give up to get him).
 
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Horvat is not the answer I'd rather just rebuild than half measures like Horvat.

The Jets aren't likely gonna sign 55 when his contract ends at the end of next year (nor would it be wise to), the Jets also aren't likely gonna sign Helle when his contract ends next season either (giving a 31 year old goalie $10m x 8 years that he is going to command in the open market is probably not wise even if he does want to re-sign). With those 2 gone the Jets are gonna be rebuilding anyways and Horvat will just be in the way (not to mention the assets we give up to get him).
Disagree. I think Jets have proven extremely loyal and whether they should is a different story.
 

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Disagree. I think Jets have proven extremely loyal and whether they should is a different story.

I think Scheifele ship has probably sailed... he is going to make BANK and his defense is already shaky not sure what it will be 3 years from now let alone 6 yrs into that contract (for comparison Wheeler at this stage of his careers was one of the most elite players in the league in both pts and shot metrics). I think even the Jets won't be willing to pay what he asks and I don't think he wants to re-sign anyways.

Helle, they might be willing to break the bank and re-sign him, as the guy can singlehandedly win you games but unless the Jets look like legit contenders I don't see him considering re-signing here. Personally I don't see any of 55, 37, 80 still on this club 2 seasons from now (perhaps not even after next season's trade deadline unless they look like serious serious contenders).

I see this season as this group's last hurrah... then I see us blowing it up with 55, 37 and 80 out for futures. So I'd rather not commit any capspace or waste any assets trying to trade for and sign guys like Horvat for 7-8 year deals that will take them well into the Jets rebuild.
 

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JetsFa815. Do you live in the Chicago area? Is this why you post so many trade ideas that seem to make the Jets worse? I hope this is not an example of using social media to downgrade certain Jet players in the eyes of their fans. If not I apologize.
 

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I think Scheifele ship has probably sailed... he is going to make BANK and his defense is already shaky not sure what it will be 3 years from now let alone 6 yrs into that contract (for comparison Wheeler at this stage of his careers was one of the most elite players in the league in both pts and shot metrics). I think even the Jets won't be willing to pay what he asks and I don't think he wants to re-sign anyways.

Helle, they might be willing to break the bank and re-sign him, as the guy can singlehandedly win you games but unless the Jets look like legit contenders I don't see him considering re-signing here. Personally I don't see any of 55, 37, 80 still on this club 2 seasons from now (perhaps not even after next season's trade deadline unless they look like serious serious contenders).

I see this season as this group's last hurrah... then I see us blowing it up with 55, 37 and 80 out for futures. So I'd rather not commit any capspace or waste any assets trying to trade for and sign guys like Horvat for 7-8 year deals that will take them well into the Jets rebuild.
I think what you are saying is smart. I just don’t think management is that logical and will overpay for too long with Schief. But I like the way you think better.
 
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I'm not sure about that. They aren't getting bites on a trade, and my proposal gives them 2 NHL ready defensemen, one a vet who can play top 4 and pp, and one who has the potential to hit their prime within the Coyotes rebuild window (lol I guess that window never closes).

The only reason I could see then not going for it is they are tanking again this year. Might as well, playing in that joke of an arena.

I don't think Chychrun has quite the value people think right now. He'll be a ufa in 2.5 seasons, and the cap situation in the league rn might prevent teams from picking up cap and not giving it back (dead cap)
As a fan of both teams I can assure you that the Arizona side says the conversation starts with the 2023 1st and a top prospect. If not Perfetti it is going to be Lucius, Lambert or McGroarty.
 

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As a fan of both teams I can assure you that the Arizona side says the conversation starts with the 2023 1st and a top prospect. If not Perfetti it is going to be Lucius, Lambert or McGroarty.

Well no way Perfetti is even a conversation starter playing top 6 on an ELC.

No idea why the Chychrin idea is even still being tossed around, he doesn't fit a need at all. Maybe if he was a RD but we don't need another LD.
 
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I think Scheifele ship has probably sailed... he is going to make BANK and his defense is already shaky not sure what it will be 3 years from now let alone 6 yrs into that contract (for comparison Wheeler at this stage of his careers was one of the most elite players in the league in both pts and shot metrics). I think even the Jets won't be willing to pay what he asks and I don't think he wants to re-sign anyways.

Helle, they might be willing to break the bank and re-sign him, as the guy can singlehandedly win you games but unless the Jets look like legit contenders I don't see him considering re-signing here. Personally I don't see any of 55, 37, 80 still on this club 2 seasons from now (perhaps not even after next season's trade deadline unless they look like serious serious contenders).

I see this season as this group's last hurrah... then I see us blowing it up with 55, 37 and 80 out for futures. So I'd rather not commit any capspace or waste any assets trying to trade for and sign guys like Horvat for 7-8 year deals that will take them well into the Jets rebuild.

The one thing with Mark is his game likely can be converted to wing in a few years. I'm fairly certain they take a run at retaining him, whether they can or should get something done is another matter completely.

I don't think they look to rebuild next summer unless things really go off the rails, they didn't hire Bones for a rebuild.
 

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The one thing with Mark is his game likely can be converted to wing in a few years. I'm fairly certain they take a run at retaining him, whether they can or should get something done is another matter completely.

I don't think they look to rebuild next summer unless things really go off the rails, they didn't hire Bones for a rebuild.
I'm enjoying this season immensely, but if you're Chevy what do you do this offseason? Dubois has said he's going to UFA, in a year when UFAS are going to get paid probably the best they ever have. Scheifele hasn't said much, but you get the sense that he would probably like to play in Detroit, with Copp, and a team that is trending towards contention, slowly but surely.

Hellebuyck hasn't said a lot, but next year is the year Chevy has to decide what to do with him. If there's no extension, can the Jets afford to go the distance with him? I mean he represents the best chance to win.

If the Jets lose any of these guys for nothing, who is going to replace them? Realistically it's extremely optimistic to think Mc Groarty and Lucius can replace Dubois and Scheifele, but if you trade either of the latter this team is not getting a player of the same value back, that's a guarantee. So it smells like a rebuild.

Throw Wheeler, Dillon, De Melo in there, and FWIW Ehlers, Pionk and Schmidt are the next year, that represents a significant transition period.

It's complicated by guys like Heinola who don't want to wait in line.

I don't know how Chevy should deal with it either. The best way to get good, short of acquiring superstar free agents, is multiple draft picks. Jets don't even have a lot of those next year, so it's an interesting time.

To me this year's team feels like the last year, I think if you're in a workforce for a long time, and then all of a sudden there's a transition, it's kind of the same feeling, I'd say the core of this team has been there since 2015-2016, which is a long time by NHL standards. Defense was a complete overhaul around Morrissey, but the players brought in, whether it be Pionk followed by Samberg from Hermantown, and another Minnesota defenseman in Schmidt, and then De Melo, who knew Dillon from San Jose, was strategically done to reinforce that family like dressing room that has always been a True North goal.

Bowness was brought in to keep the room believing in themselves, and provide structure that was sorely lacking. I think he's going to pass the torch to Arniel, and that's going to be a period of uncertainty. I just don't see any way the Jets can avoid a rebuild, maybe signing Scheifele to a long term contract preserves the top line for a couple more years, and re-signing Helly would be good for a couple more years of contention while other pieces develop, but there's going to be a bump in the road eventuall. For a small market team, that doesn't have free agent bargaining power, it's almost inevitable, because being good enough to be a playoff team lowers the quality of player you get in each round of the draft. And winning is important for the bottom line of this team, at this stage.
 

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Oh yeah DUH

Silly me :)

So that would mean the pairs could be
Jomo Demelo
Chychrun Pionk
Dillon Heinola

I mean that might work out great. Jomo Demelo is a known positive commodity, Chychrun could compliment Pionk very well, and Dillon Heinola as I said seemed to vibe and having them on the 3rd pair could give them more favorable matchups.

I think that is a very strong D corps

I could like that, but I think Chychrun is an injury risk.
 
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