Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Jet]

Well no way Perfetti is even a conversation starter playing top 6 on an ELC.

No idea why the Chychrin idea is even still being tossed around, he doesn't fit a need at all. Maybe if he was a RD but we don't need another LD.

Well I think the objective is to strengthen our D corps overall.

While we may need a RD, Chychrun would strengthen our top 4 which is our biggest area of opportunity in our d corps. Additionally, if the right guy is a piece (Samberg for instance) that also could solve our Heinola issue.

 

[KingBogo]

I'm enjoying this season immensely, but if you're Chevy what do you do this offseason? Dubois has said he's going to UFA, in a year when UFAS are going to get paid probably the best they ever have. Scheifele hasn't said much, but you get the sense that he would probably like to play in Detroit, with Copp, and a team that is trending towards contention, slowly but surely.

Hellebuyck hasn't said a lot, but next year is the year Chevy has to decide what to do with him. If there's no extension, can the Jets afford to go the distance with him? I mean he represents the best chance to win.

If the Jets lose any of these guys for nothing, who is going to replace them? Realistically it's extremely optimistic to think Mc Groarty and Lucius can replace Dubois and Scheifele, but if you trade either of the latter this team is not getting a player of the same value back, that's a guarantee. So it smells like a rebuild.

Throw Wheeler, Dillon, De Melo in there, and FWIW Ehlers, Pionk and Schmidt are the next year, that represents a significant transition period.

It's complicated by guys like Heinola who don't want to wait in line.

I don't know how Chevy should deal with it either. The best way to get good, short of acquiring superstar free agents, is multiple draft picks. Jets don't even have a lot of those next year, so it's an interesting time.

To me this year's team feels like the last year, I think if you're in a workforce for a long time, and then all of a sudden there's a transition, it's kind of the same feeling, I'd say the core of this team has been there since 2015-2016, which is a long time by NHL standards. Defense was a complete overhaul around Morrissey, but the players brought in, whether it be Pionk followed by Samberg from Hermantown, and another Minnesota defenseman in Schmidt, and then De Melo, who knew Dillon from San Jose, was strategically done to reinforce that family like dressing room that has always been a True North goal.

Bowness was brought in to keep the room believing in themselves, and provide structure that was sorely lacking. I think he's going to pass the torch to Arniel, and that's going to be a period of uncertainty. I just don't see any way the Jets can avoid a rebuild, maybe signing Scheifele to a long term contract preserves the top line for a couple more years, and re-signing Helly would be good for a couple more years of contention while other pieces develop, but there's going to be a bump in the road eventuall. For a small market team, that doesn't have free agent bargaining power, it's almost inevitable, because being good enough to be a playoff team lowers the quality of player you get in each round of the draft. And winning is important for the bottom line of this team, at this stage.

I think you are jumping the gun on the Jets death watch. They are still a relatively young team with an average of 27.3 according to cap friendly. And really there are just 2 players in their mid 30's in Wheeler and Gagner. I also think it is pushing it to say the core has been together since 2015-2016. Helly wasn't even the starter until 2016-17. Ehlers was drafted in 2014, Connor in 2015, PLD in 2016 and Perfetti in 2020. That is 4 out of our top 6 all between the ages of 20 - 26. Yes there were rumours of PLD wanting out, but a competitive year might change that and at the very least we should get a good return. Personally I think it is more likely than not both Scheifele and Helly stay. Their next contracts would start the season Wheeler's contract ends which would free up a lot of money, just when Chevy needed it. The rising cap then should take care of Ehlers and Connor's raises. A wild card is how good Perfetti gets, but the potential is there for him to be one of the game's elite play makers.

Some of our backend will age out before long but we have a pretty nice pipeline in place. Heinola will have to wait his turn as you say, but he will have to live with being an injury call up for now. The grass isn't always greener on the other side and despite what many believe there is a transition path for him as Dillon's contract expires the year Heinola would have to clear waivers. What we need for him to develop his defensive game so he can maximize in a 2 or 3 role behind Morrissey. If Samberg keeps developing as well as Chisholm we might yet have a pretty nice young D core in a couple years. Finding a true top pairing RHD should be a priority for Chevy, and this likely comes with a flyer on a prospect of high draft pick. Maybe as part of a PLD return?

I just don't think Chevy can just throw in the towel on a core he has spent 12 years putting together, especially when most of it is still on the front end of their primes. Of course this is somewhat dependent on this team returning to competitiveness. That's how you get players wanting to stay. So far their are promising signs under Bones, and we might yet be much better then a lot of people believe.

And while the 50-100 regular posters around here might have the stomach for a rebuild most of the ticket buying public in Winnipeg wouldn't. Families go to games because kids want to see their favourite players. People invest $10's of thousands in season tickets because the enjoy competitive NHL hockey not to watch a glorified farm team play on a Tuesday night in January. I think with a rebuild you'd see many additional ST holders back away with their financial commitment especially in this financial climate, and follow the team from a far and on TV. This would be a tough road for Chipman to maintain over the next 5-7 years.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think the next 2 years are important to this team though. Considering the Contract status of Scheif, Wheeler, Dubois and most importantly Helly.

I think there plan is to "blow it up" likely either this summer or at the deadline next year. That is only if they can't resign a few of these guys. I am really unsure as to what Helly plans on doing but my guess is he tests UFA.

 

[WaveRaven]

If we aren't willing to yo yo in the standings we are very unlikely to ever win it all.

When I hear stay competitive all the time I think the Leafs. Decade after decade of bubble teams. Wonder why they are so talented now. They finally had the foresight to drop to the bottom.

Right now they have set themselves up for a forced rebuild by having 3 big pending UFAS to deal with.

I think the next 2 years are important to this team though. Considering the Contract status of Scheif, Wheeler, Dubois and most importantly Helly.

I think there plan is to "blow it up" likely either this summer or at the deadline next year. That is only if they can't resign a few of these guys. I am really unsure as to what Helly plans on doing but my guess is he tests UFA.

They have to deal with those 3 UFAS. Holding them past next summer unsigned is idiotic IMHO.

 

[Huffer]

Does anyone like the idea of doing a Chychrun for Schmidt, Heinola + pick deal?

Definite upgrade for the Jets top 4, gets rid of the Heinola problem and opens up a bit of cap space to get a forward.

The downside is it's a bit of a future mortgage for the Jets and JC is a ufa in 25

I wouldn't. Especially if that pick is high. I think Chychrun is overrated.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Helle signs an extension this summer as does Scheif and Dubois.

I ain't moving 1st rd picks until the deadline. At the deadline if we are still where we are, you bet your ass I do Schmidt plus Heinola plus 1st but probably for a top 6 young winger but not for Chychrun. I agree he's overrated

 

[voyageur]

I think you are jumping the gun on the Jets death watch. They are still a relatively young team with an average of 27.3 according to cap friendly. And really there are just 2 players in their mid 30's in Wheeler and Gagner. I also think it is pushing it to say the core has been together since 2015-2016. Helly wasn't even the starter until 2016-17. Ehlers was drafted in 2014, Connor in 2015, PLD in 2016 and Perfetti in 2020. That is 4 out of our top 6 all between the ages of 20 - 26. Yes there were rumours of PLD wanting out, but a competitive year might change that and at the very least we should get a good return. Personally I think it is more likely than not both Scheifele and Helly stay. Their next contracts would start the season Wheeler's contract ends which would free up a lot of money, just when Chevy needed it. The rising cap then should take care of Ehlers and Connor's raises. A wild card is how good Perfetti gets, but the potential is there for him to be one of the game's elite play makers.

Some of our backend will age out before long but we have a pretty nice pipeline in place. Heinola will have to wait his turn as you say, but he will have to live with being an injury call up for now. The grass isn't always greener on the other side and despite what many believe there is a transition path for him as Dillon's contract expires the year Heinola would have to clear waivers. What we need for him to develop his defensive game so he can maximize in a 2 or 3 role behind Morrissey. If Samberg keeps developing as well as Chisholm we might yet have a pretty nice young D core in a couple years. Finding a true top pairing RHD should be a priority for Chevy, and this likely comes with a flyer on a prospect of high draft pick. Maybe as part of a PLD return?

I just don't think Chevy can just throw in the towel on a core he has spent 12 years putting together, especially when most of it is still on the front end of their primes. Of course this is somewhat dependent on this team returning to competitiveness. That's how you get players wanting to stay. So far their are promising signs under Bones, and we might yet be much better then a lot of people believe.

And while the 50-100 regular posters around here might have the stomach for a rebuild most of the ticket buying public in Winnipeg wouldn't. Families go to games because kids want to see their favourite players. People invest $10's of thousands in season tickets because the enjoy competitive NHL hockey not to watch a glorified farm team play on a Tuesday night in January. I think with a rebuild you'd see many additional ST holders back away with their financial commitment especially in this financial climate, and follow the team from a far and on TV. This would be a tough road for Chipman to maintain over the next 5-7 years.

I think you misinterpreted my 2015-2016 statement as meaning the season, but for a core Lowry emerged in 2015, next season Ehlers and Hellebuyck, and Morrissey and Connor the following season, all between the years 2015 and 2016, added to Wheeler and Scheifele. That to me is the core of this team. All the guys left from the best year(s). Pionk, De Melo, Dubois, Schmidt, Dillon those guys were added to it. The younger players are just getting there.

I wouldn't say it's a death watch but having 6 UFAs at one time is a big problem, because traditionally the Jets way of dealing with UFAs is replacing them throught the draft. The Jets may be able to replace 4 of them in a timely way, and if Perfetti were to become a top centre, he doesn't just replace Stastny this year, he's a new sheriff. That's still optimistic to me.

Getting guys to play their whole career in Winnipeg would be a remarkable achievement from Chevy, getting them to extend beyond the 7 year window of free agency is a testament to building a good team, that believed in their ability to win. I think Bones has brought back some of that belief, but still I wonder if the players in the core here aren't going to test the waters. That's a natural process.

This offseason is going to be the most difficult one in Chevy's history. He's got some tough decisions to make and how the players here feel about the organization will ultimately decide who stays and who goes.

I don't how the fan base would react to losing familiar faces. Getting young talent in here is paramount, brings an excitement to the team, and I do agree you can potentially get a good haul on some players. Problem is most teams won't bank on a player with one year left before UFA, that's too close, unless it's a deadline deal, which is later 1st/2nd round picks, or the Jets are permitting to negotiate re-signing a player, but we saw in Trouba, that still has a diminished return . So I do wonder how Chevy manages this offseason.

 

[voyageur]

I think the next 2 years are important to this team though. Considering the Contract status of Scheif, Wheeler, Dubois and most importantly Helly.

I think there plan is to "blow it up" likely either this summer or at the deadline next year. That is only if they can't resign a few of these guys. I am really unsure as to what Helly plans on doing but my guess is he tests UFA.

I don't know how much you blow it up. I was thinking, if the Jets re-sign Scheifele there's your clear #1 centre. Re-sign Helly, with Salminen as his backup and you have your goaletending set. After that Chevy's recent draft success should pay dividends if you give everyone on this team a two year development curve, defensemen are a little trickier and longer to mature, but thinking about how that would look, even letting a player like Dubois go right into free agency...

Connor-Scheifele-Ehlers
Mc Groarty-Perfetti-Lucius
Barron-Lowry-Appleton
Torgersson-Gustafsson-Lambert
AJF

Morrissey-Pionk
Samberg-Schmidt
Stanley-Lundmark
Chisholm

Hellebuyck
Salminen

Add at least two more first round picks, you've got a couple of decent prospects from this year's draft in Salomonsson and Zhilkin (who should start of the Moose next year because of the late birthday), a couple more first round picks, and then assuming Heinola gets traded, a potential young player to replace him, and maybe some more prospects, or a vet, if you decide to move your Russian draft picks, or you get those guys on the Moose with Zhilkin.

The tricky part of that is 2025 Pionk, Schmidt, Ehlers and Appleton, also potentially Stanley are all heading toward free agency.

Chevy's done a good job of drafting to replace holes, which could keep this team competitive throughout the transition, but you can see that Scheifele and Hellebuyck are probably the most important players organizationally and those two and their decision on whether or not to resign will have an impact on how this team looks.

 

[KingBogo]

I don't know how much you blow it up. I was thinking, if the Jets re-sign Scheifele there's your clear #1 centre. Re-sign Helly, with Salminen as his backup and you have your goaletending set. After that Chevy's recent draft success should pay dividends if you give everyone on this team a two year development curve, defensemen are a little trickier and longer to mature, but thinking about how that would look, even letting a player like Dubois go right into free agency...

Connor-Scheifele-Ehlers
Mc Groarty-Perfetti-Lucius
Barron-Lambert-Appleton
Torgersson-Gustafsson-Lambert
AJF

Morrissey-Pionk
Samberg-Schmidt
Stanley-Lundmark
Chisholm

Hellebuyck
Salminen

Add at least two more first round picks, you've got a couple of decent prospects from this year's draft in Salomonsson and Zhilkin (who should start of the Moose next year because of the late birthday), a couple more first round picks, and then assuming Heinola gets traded, a potential young player to replace him, and maybe some more prospects, or a vet, if you decide to move your Russian draft picks, or you get those guys on the Moose with Zhilkin.

The tricky part of that is 2025 Pionk, Schmidt, Ehlers and Appleton, also potentially Stanley are all heading toward free agency.

Chevy's done a good job of drafting to replace holes, which could keep this team competitive throughout the transition, but you can see that Scheifele and Hellebuyck are probably the most important players organizationally and those two and their decision on whether or not to resign will have an impact on how this team looks.

This will be a big off season for our future direction. I agree the attempt will be to keep the core together and the supplement them with the drafted players on ELC's. Depending on development it is possible to find a window similar to 2018.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I don't how the fan base would react to losing familiar faces.

Just remember the old saying... familiarity breeds contempt.

Seriously, there isn't a single player I've formed an attachment to, and several who have strongly triggered my antipathy. But of course, I realize I'm not the norm.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[None]

Dysfunctional organization that wasn't even prepared to offer Boudreau an extension beyond the team and coach elected lame duck year despite him turning a ~.300 Pts% Travis Green team into a ~.600 Pts% team. That in addition to an owner who's made it clear that he wants to cut costs isn't a recipe for success.
I'm surprised that he took the option year, it should've been abundantly clear that he wasn't Rutherford's guy.

 

[tbcwpg]

This kind of thing makes me think a price for someone like Garland or Hoglander isn't a Dillon or a Schmidt/Pionk but a Heinola. They're looking for the future.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Robertson for Heinola?

 

[DRW204]

Robertson for Heinola?

If it's Jason..... Don't show stars fans this.

 

[surixon]

Dysfunctional organization that wasn't even prepared to offer Boudreau an extension beyond the team and coach elected lame duck year despite him turning a ~.300 Pts% Travis Green team into a ~.600 Pts% team. That in addition to an owner who's made it clear that he wants to cut costs isn't a recipe for success.
I'm surprised that he took the option year, it should've been abundantly clear that he wasn't Rutherford's guy.

I guess he saw the money I'm hand and elected to keep it. But yeah clear as day he wasn't new managements choice.

 

[None]

I guess he saw the money I'm hand and elected to keep it. But yeah clear as day he wasn't new managements choice.

Mildly curious if the salary that coaches are commanding has tanked that much or if Boudreau just wasn't in high demand.

 

[surixon]

Mildly curious if the salary that coaches are commanding has tanked that much or if Boudreau just wasn't in high demand.

I have no idea. I think it was a guaranteed $2 million he is getting this year so I can understand not wanting to walk away from that.

The competition for head coaching gigs is pretty fierce so while he probably would have garnered some interviews he may not have landed one.

 

[Jet]

I have no idea. I think it was a guaranteed $2 million he is getting this year so I can understand not wanting to walk away from that.

The competition for head coaching gigs is pretty fierce so while he probably would have garnered some interviews he may not have landed one.

If we dont land trotz would you guys be interested in the big tomato?

 

[KingBogo]

If we dont land trotz would you guys be interested in the big tomato?

You can count me out. Don’t see it as a good fit.

 

[surixon]

If we dont land trotz would you guys be interested in the big tomato?

You mean after Bowness? Or do you mean if Beadreau was available this summer would we have chosen him over Rick? If it's the latter I doubt it, Rick seems to fit more what TNSE likes then Bruce imo.

 

[Thechozen1]

I think Scheifele ship has probably sailed... he is going to make BANK and his defense is already shaky not sure what it will be 3 years from now let alone 6 yrs into that contract (for comparison Wheeler at this stage of his careers was one of the most elite players in the league in both pts and shot metrics). I think even the Jets won't be willing to pay what he asks and I don't think he wants to re-sign anyways.

Helle, they might be willing to break the bank and re-sign him, as the guy can singlehandedly win you games but unless the Jets look like legit contenders I don't see him considering re-signing here. Personally I don't see any of 55, 37, 80 still on this club 2 seasons from now (perhaps not even after next season's trade deadline unless they look like serious serious contenders).

I see this season as this group's last hurrah... then I see us blowing it up with 55, 37 and 80 out for futures. So I'd rather not commit any capspace or waste any assets trying to trade for and sign guys like Horvat for 7-8 year deals that will take them well into the Jets rebuild.

If the Jets play their cards right, those 3 assets could kickstart a mini rebuild on the fly. Whether it be young players breaking in or draft capital, there should be enough there to be very optimistic about without completely bottoming out.

 

[Heldig]

If the team continues to gel and take shape as a legit playoff team, they have to add to the roster, right? Deal with contracts in the summer.

 

[voyageur]

If the team continues to gel and take shape as a legit playoff team, they have to add to the roster, right? Deal with contracts in the summer.

I don't know how much you want to add. Next year's draft is supposed to be deep and the Jets have a 1st and 3rd out of the top 140-150 picks, conceivably, though that could change at the draft.

If they could get a solid player for Heinola, maybe, but Heinola was the #4 RD after training camp, maybe that's Capobianco's spot now, I don't know.

I don't know what kind of player Chibrikov could bring back, but that's potentially one I'd explore.

I'd suspect one of the Jets 5th round picks could be in play, maybe a 2024 draft pick, but that's depending on the player in question.

The roster won't get a significant upgrade from outside sources, in my opinion, I think the goal this year is development for the purpose of promotion. If you could get a player like Lucius, Lambert or Torgersson as potential playoff help, and I think that's still the end game with Heinola, that saves draft currency. Out of the former 3, for the sake of bumping ELC years, I think only Torgersson is a realistic option.

Once Ehlers comes back, and then Barron, I'm not sure whose spot on the team is in danger. Barron is the only one that I think could get displaced this year.

 

[KingBogo]

If the Jets play their cards right, those 3 assets could kickstart a mini rebuild on the fly. Whether it be young players breaking in or draft capital, there should be enough there to be very optimistic about without completely bottoming out.

Without Helly and our top 2 centers make no mistake we will bottom out. The tricky part will then be convincing Ehlers and Connor to stay as their contracts come due the year after and the year after that. I’m guessing they’d prefer not to play out their primes in a full on rebuild.