Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?
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Unacceptable to be tanking in Year 6 of a rebuild.
If that's the direction they take, then this rebuild is a failure.
Rebuilds last longer than 6 yrs unless your fortunate enough to get a generational talent at 1 (which we never did) or get free agents like panarin and fox did with the rangers not copp's and comphers
Anyone who thought this team was going to compete this year with that d core and bottom 6 was seriously delusional
The kids coming up will be the ones to lead the way. Only Larkin raymond kasper seider edvinsson will be here 3-4 years from now. Lots of change coming
1) no they don't last longer than 6 years, unless you're talking about Detroit and Buffalo
2)who's job is it to roster better D and bottom 6? It's Yzerman's job...so while you are correct in saying the bottom 6 and D on paper is trash, but that's Yzerman's fault, is it not?
Oddbob
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Where would Toronto be if they hadn't lucked their way into Marner and Matthews and ditto for Edmonton with not 1 but 2 of the top 5-8 players in the game? If you don't get a huge franchise player when you are at the bottom, that makes your stay at the bottom longer. Toronto and Edmonton got lucky and we did not.
If you do it right, they don't take six years just to get back into the playoffs.
Nobody is claiming that the Red Wings should be the Red Wings of old and be bonafide Cup contenders by now. But to be on the way toward a 6th straight non-playoff year under Yzerman's tutelage (in a League where literally half the teams get in) is a failure.
No other GM in a serious hockey market would have a leash this long.
Doesnt take longer than 6 yrs?what you adding teams that make the playoffs once or twice in 6 yrs but get outed 1st round? That's a rebuild complete? Lmao
Takes time for prospects to develop and make it (if they dont flop) and we currently have four recent 1st rounders on the team 2 current rookies and still have pellikka cossa nygard danielson coming short term + other guys
again we weren't fortunate to land a top pick or free agents who wanted to come here. We had to have the leftovers like compher and copps out there. Didnt agree with the signings but it is what it is
I dont agree with everything yzermans done but he always said fans would have to be patient. He added debrincat a deal I wasn't a fan of and still dont see him here longterm but he fleeced ott.
He shouldn't have dealt walman until he knew 100% trouba would be here if that was the plan. Gustafsson sucks .... but were stuck with these fools for the time being , who's taking them?? Its just a waiting game for now
Like I said prob 5 guys who will still be here in 3 yrs if you don't think there isnt more short term pain ahead your deluding yourself. Cant be putting a bunch of kids next few years and expect us not to have growing pains.
As for guys on our team I'd eat salary to move a few guys but I doubt yzerman will atm . Is what it is
In a serious hockey market? Like the habs?like the hawks prior to kane and toews?pens before sid and malkin,letang etc... want to see if pens make it more than 6 yrs or no? I'd bet $ it'll be 6+ unless they land mckenna , no free agents going there
Weren't the sharks one of the top teams for yrs? Pretty sure its 6+ yrs now or it'll easily surpass it if not ... we have to wait for our kids to develop. Were not signing 3-4 top free agents in one summer and yzerman wont overpay for someone in a trade
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The point being they should be back to being a solid playoff team by now. The "oh but look at the roster he inherited in 2019" argument stopped being valid a long time ago.
Players need the experience of seeing firsthand how different playoff hockey is from the regular season, even if it were a short series for a year or two straight.
In six years on the job, Yzerman has 3 of his draft picks (only two up through last season) that are regular NHL players. That's a serious issue.
Why didn't he attempt to sign players like Brandon Montour or Sam Reinhart? How about Marchessault or Matt Roy? Because he didn't want to "give out term"?
Okay, don't get anyone good then, because that's the price of doing business. That's why we're still stuck looking at Jeff Petry.
If I'm Larkin, I'd be telling Steve that he had better start getting serious about surrounding him with legitimate talent and that I sure didn't sign an 8-year contract to only start to be a regular playoff team as that deal winds down.
It's been six years under his tutelage and almost nine years since the team was last in the playoffs. We've been patient enough. Chris Ilitch needs to have a serious conversation with Steve and tell him he's on the hot seat if they're not a postseason team by the spring.
Until they start making the games free for fans because "you need to be patient and continue to have blind faith for a rudderless product", my patience and the patience of a large number of fans is running out.
What this is, is a directionless, uninspired team with no clear identity—a roster entirely constructed by Yzerman and led by an overmatched, uninspiring coach, whose poor decision-making and ineffective game management and strategy have been on display for nearly 2.5 years, as shown by the team's frequent slow starts and sloppy finishes.
In year six of a rebuild under a supposed wizard of a GM, that's unacceptable.
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lilidk
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We got Larkin,Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. Cossa , Buchelnikov, Augustine, Finnie, ASP, MBN, Mazur, Danielson looking promising. Rebuild is still going and I hope we have nice draft in 2025. We only have first line so far and if we have prospects that could fill rest of the forwards Yzerman needs to get #3 defansman
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Ulysses31
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sure this season is on thin ice, and has botched some UFA signings but thankfully they are relatively short term contracts.
BUT imo big picture SY has done excellent drafting as far as we know. SY likes to slow cook prospects for better or worse so we really dont know what we got in a lot of prospects tho future looks really bright. (GR, ASP, Nygard, etc.)
eventually im almost sure DRW gonna be perennial PO team. In the meantime tho might b frusterating/painful for us fans.
BUT imo big picture SY has done excellent drafting as far as we know. SY likes to slow cook prospects for better or worse so we really dont know what we got in a lot of prospects tho future looks really bright. (GR, ASP, Nygard, etc.)
eventually im almost sure DRW gonna be perennial PO team. In the meantime tho might b frusterating/painful for us fans.
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It took 24 years for the NY Rangers to win a single playoff game from 1997 to 2022.
You must mean someone else, because the Rangers went to Game 6 of Round 2 in 2007; they were swept the previous year by NJD (still valuable experience for young players like Henrik Lundqvist). And then went on multiple runs in the years after.
Not to mention James Dolan is widely regarded as a complete buffoon who doesn't prioritize winning.
That core + prospects isn't even top 20 in the NHL moving forward. Larkin isn't getting any younger. Seider/Raymond are already expensive.
Pavels Dog
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Yes, vast majority of rebuilds take more than 5-6 years. Only exceptions tend to be predicated on either A) Massive lottery luck, or B) being a prime FA destination.
Most franchises simply don't have the patience for a true rebuild though so that muddles the water a lot. We could "end" the rebuild today if we lose patience and start trading our futures for immediate help.
Proper rebuilds don't take 5-6 years just to get back to the playoffs (in a league where literally half the teams make it in).
And again, we've been patient enough. It's been six years of Yzerman as GM and nearly nine years outside of the playoffs. This isn't the Minnesota Wild or Ottawa Senators or some other irrelevant NHL franchise. It's the Detroit Red Wings - that's 100% unacceptable.
We were told that Detroit would once again be a prime free-agent destination because of the new arena and Yzerman as GM. Where are the prime free agents?
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By whom? The same people that stated Yzerman was a mythical wizard capable of conjuring up franchise players from the ether? I would suggest not listening to said voices as they don't appear to be grounded in reality...
Obviously by experts, who thought Copp is going to be 60-65 point player with Red Wings and long term solution for second C
Pavels Dog
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Again; yes they do.
Vast majority of teams don't actually go through "proper" rebuilds though. But I think Carolina is a decent parallell to us considering they also never quite got the benefit of major lottery luck or some superstar FA requesting to be traded there. 9 years outside the playoffs before they established themselves as a perennial playoff team.
I agree playoffs should be the goal this season.
