Andnor should he. Trouba is a solid player, good skater, logs a ton of minutes, blocks shots, can play on special teams, he does everything.
If we signed him for equivalent of amacs deal that would be 6.2 million in today's nhl.
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If we signed him for equivalent of amacs deal that would be 6.2 million in today's nhl.
Outlaw Samurai
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The PP struggles have a lot of blame to go around. It would be a big mistake to blame Ghost and use those stats as an argument against him.
In a year that's gone disastrously apart from Hart's emergence, we really shouldn't isolate play this year as the reasoning.
Team has played better lately but they need a reset.
1. New coach, staff and philosophy.
2. Roster purge with Simmer, Torgo and Farmer at minimum should be gone.
3. Adding a few FA's.
4. Calling up youth.
5. Good draft to restock.
In a year that's gone disastrously apart from Hart's emergence, we really shouldn't isolate play this year as the reasoning.
Team has played better lately but they need a reset.
1. New coach, staff and philosophy.
2. Roster purge with Simmer, Torgo and Farmer at minimum should be gone.
3. Adding a few FA's.
4. Calling up youth.
5. Good draft to restock.
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Ghost certainly is a critical piece of this team, & his poor season is among multiple significant reasons this team is one point out of last place in the *entire league.* This is also the 2nd out of his 4 NHL seasons that have been subpar, not the only one. He was among my favorite Flyers ever his rookie season, so I can understand the attachment some have, but I don’t think he’s being judged with an objective lens by many. I mean, you have people claiming that those who support trading Ghost are calling him “useless,” which is an utter misrepresentation.
The Madrigal
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Why should it? When Fabbro has a 65 point season let me know. I like him in a Simmonds trade and he's a good prospect but he has proven nothing.
The Madrigal
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Don't say totally moronic things and you won't get insulted.
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I'd much rather add forward talent thru free agency and prospects than trade Ghost to do it.
Rich Nixon
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Is it possible that both extremes are kind of wrong?
Ghost is a unique and fantastic offensive weapon on the blueline whose defense is underrated but hardly elite. He has a terrific contract and could be a big piece going forward. That's all absolutely true. But it doesn't mean he's an absolute necessity and couldn't be moved in a deal that improved the team.
For all the worries about the defense, it's probably in better shape going forward than most around the league, even if the cupboard isn't as stocked as it once was. It isn't that they're lacking good young defensemen, they have more of those than probably 80% of the league. It's that they're lacking veterans who don't suck. They need to get back to drafting blue liners, but should also be looking to acquire at least one actual good experienced defender. Scrape out the duds (Folin/MacDonald) move one or both of Gudas and Hagg, let Morin and Myers graduate, go find Provorov a real veteran partner.
I wouldn't have any interest at all in trading Ghost for a forward, because I don't think that's a position of need. But as excellent as he is, I also think he's probably less essential than some believe, despite his contract and scoring potential. He should be here for a long time unless you can find some sort of steal on a top pairing defender.
Ghost is a unique and fantastic offensive weapon on the blueline whose defense is underrated but hardly elite. He has a terrific contract and could be a big piece going forward. That's all absolutely true. But it doesn't mean he's an absolute necessity and couldn't be moved in a deal that improved the team.
For all the worries about the defense, it's probably in better shape going forward than most around the league, even if the cupboard isn't as stocked as it once was. It isn't that they're lacking good young defensemen, they have more of those than probably 80% of the league. It's that they're lacking veterans who don't suck. They need to get back to drafting blue liners, but should also be looking to acquire at least one actual good experienced defender. Scrape out the duds (Folin/MacDonald) move one or both of Gudas and Hagg, let Morin and Myers graduate, go find Provorov a real veteran partner.
I wouldn't have any interest at all in trading Ghost for a forward, because I don't think that's a position of need. But as excellent as he is, I also think he's probably less essential than some believe, despite his contract and scoring potential. He should be here for a long time unless you can find some sort of steal on a top pairing defender.
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That’s what I’m saying. You have to scroll through pages and pages of Ghost talk looking for one rumor tweet. But there is nothing. I can’t imagine that Fletch and Homer are keeping things so quiet, but maybe there is some carryover from hextall. There does seem to be conflicting reports about Simmonds. Hopefully something is going on.
Tripod
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It's amazing how shortsighted some of the people are in here. It's as if they totally forget how good Ghost was last year and only want to focus on this year and how bad the PowerPlay is.
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Nino has 4 goals in 4 games for Carolina. Since all he cost was Rask, whose value is nowhere near Ghost's value, I wouldn't have minded Fletcher trading for him.
Nino Niederreiter at eliteprospects.com
Victor Rask at eliteprospects.com
Nino Niederreiter at eliteprospects.com
Victor Rask at eliteprospects.com
Striiker
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Gonna go ahead and post this again so everyone keeps in mind how "objective" he's been all year in regards to Ghost. Seeing what he wants to see, not reality. The agenda couldn't be more clear.
And lets toss this one in too, to further destroy any remains of credibility
And lets toss this one in too, to further destroy any remains of credibility
Outlaw Samurai
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Exactly. Even the pro trade Ghost supports must see the logic in this.
Let's say we trade Simmonds + for Fabbro.
We sign Panarin or Stone.
We could conceivably get Hughes or Kakko or another top forward prospect.
We'll be adding Frost.
Do people still want Ghost traded? If so, why now? Shouldn't we wait to see if Myers is top 4 D like we assume, Provy and Sanheim make forward strides and/or we add a Fabbro.
Edit - I keep typing Fabbri
my bad.
Let's say we trade Simmonds + for Fabbro.
We sign Panarin or Stone.
We could conceivably get Hughes or Kakko or another top forward prospect.
We'll be adding Frost.
Do people still want Ghost traded? If so, why now? Shouldn't we wait to see if Myers is top 4 D like we assume, Provy and Sanheim make forward strides and/or we add a Fabbro.
Edit - I keep typing Fabbri
my bad.
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I'm definitely in the "Don't Trade Ghost" group. We need D that can activate and that's Ghost. Just need a coach that will let them off the leash.
You had me at "trading for him would be a mistake."
they are so many centers on this team, fletch has to figure out how to get this team balanced with actual left wingers and right wingers and getting right handed defensemen, if he can do that, this team has a good chance of competing next year.
Nhl GM's are such a dinosaurs. Marchessault, Hoffman, Niederreiter, Eberle, Hartnell, Bobrovsky, Sharp. They just can't help themselves.
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Like when all those people thought Couturier could be more than the 3C he was at age 20. If only they weren't so attached they would have realized he was a waste of the 8th pick in the draft years ago.
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"Me ? No no no, I'm not biased! You're all biased! With your statistics and facts and reality! I don't care about any of that! Ghost sux becuz I saids so!"
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Attachment becomes a problem when you close your eyes & ears & refuse to consider differing perspectives as anything but moronic. There are plenty of cases that don’t turn out in favor of attachment. See, for example, some of the Kings’ & Blackhawks contracts in recent years.
I’m simply saying don’t be so quick to dismiss input you may not like to hear.
Tripod
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Just look how easy it is to add wingers...vs Dmen.
Then add in that Ghost has proven he can play the right side at an elite level.
Then add in his contract
Then add in that our team is STILL playing AMac and Hagg every game
And as of now, no other Flyers Dman has proven to be good at the NHL level on the PP
It's mind blowing that people want to trade Ghost for a freakin winger.
Since he entered the league for Dmen:
15th in league for points
15th in league for PPG
36th in league in ES points
5th in league in PP points
Easy question...do we have anyone from within that can step in and do this now? Easy answer, no. Until then, keep him and upgrade the WORST Dmen in the lineup.
Then add in that Ghost has proven he can play the right side at an elite level.
Then add in his contract
Then add in that our team is STILL playing AMac and Hagg every game
And as of now, no other Flyers Dman has proven to be good at the NHL level on the PP
It's mind blowing that people want to trade Ghost for a freakin winger.
Since he entered the league for Dmen:
15th in league for points
15th in league for PPG
36th in league in ES points
5th in league in PP points
Easy question...do we have anyone from within that can step in and do this now? Easy answer, no. Until then, keep him and upgrade the WORST Dmen in the lineup.
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