Speculation: Trade Deadline

[LegionOfDoom91]

Trouba has been rumoured to want to go closer to his girlfriend who lives in Florida. Trading anything other than futures for him would be a mistake.

He’s not going to be cheap. He’s been taking less to bridge himself UFA all along.

 

[Prongo]

Waiting on dem rumors any day now..

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

Seriously, let's go Fletch! Get that Simmer/Fabbri deal done. They can have Hagg too.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

Good job @Striiker defending Ghost (shout out to Madrigal too).

Striiker takes care of all the point/counter points/arguments. All I have to do is "like".

"I'm going to bring up..nope Striiker already did"..."Well, his contract is..never mind he pointed that out too."

 

[Striiker]

Good job @Striiker defending Ghost (shout out to Madrigal too).

Striiker takes care of all the point/counter points/arguments. All I have to do is "like".

"I'm going to bring up..nope Striiker already did"..."Well, his contract is..never mind he pointed that out too."

Luckily their arguments are so incredibly predictable and weak that it only takes half a second to dunk on their ridiculous “logic” and it requires basically zero research. Plus, most of it is stuff I’ve already said or looked up, so I just need to repeat for the millionth time.

But feel free to tag in once in a while anyway. Nothing like a good pile on!

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

Luckily their arguments are so incredibly predictable and weak that it only takes half a second to dunk on their ridiculous “logic” and it requires basically zero research. Plus, most of it is stuff I’ve already said or looked up, so I just need to repeat for the millionth time.

But feel free to tag in once in a while anyway. Nothing like a good pile on!

You bet. After your flurry of body-blows I'll come off the top rope!

 

[NYCFlyer]

Luckily their arguments are so incredibly predictable and weak that it only takes half a second to dunk on their ridiculous “logic” and it requires basically zero research. Plus, most of it is stuff I’ve already said or looked up, so I just need to repeat for the millionth time.

But feel free to tag in once in a while anyway. Nothing like a good pile on!

I think Hagg is the most likely D to get traded. If you are adding Myers and Morin in a few weeks someone has to go and Morin can easily take his place and maybe we can get something useful for Hagg. I dont think Ghost is untouchable but seems like poor asset management to sell low on a Dman who the prior year had 65 points. To be fair, I have seen him live a lot and I think he is either injured or has some other off the ice issue because he really hasnt played well and to my eye isnt moving/anticipating like he did last year but looks more like he did when he was coming off that hip/abdominal surgery. I think the only way they move Ghost is the unlikely case of a godfather offer or they think his hip/knee or whatever is chronic.

I also would keep Gudas as the RHD vet although would certainly consider offers.

 

[Delete99991]

What is our D without Ghost? Who runs the PP? Definitely feel like forwards, especially with what's in the pipeline, is way more set than our D.

"Graveyards are full of irreplaceable men"

30 other teams survive without Ghost. We're seeing him as more than he is.

That PP he runs, by the way, absolutely sucks.

 

[hatcher]

"Graveyards are full of irreplaceable men"

30 other teams survive without Ghost. We're seeing him as more than he is.

That PP he runs, by the way, absolutely sucks.

Fletcher does too and it will get taken care of soon. I hope we get a real good dman back to play with Provy properly. Playoffs are a whole other animal and our top players except coots last year do nothing and ghost isnt made for playoffs. Pens also played the caps so much better it looked like they pissed games away against us.

 

[Delete99991]

Ghost strikes me as an ideal piece for a team needing an offensive boost, not as a foundational player for a rebuilding team.

 

[Striiker]

I think Hagg is the most likely D to get traded. If you are adding Myers and Morin in a few weeks someone has to go and Morin can easily take his place and maybe we can get something useful for Hagg. I dont think Ghost is untouchable but seems like poor asset management to sell low on a Dman who the prior year had 65 points. To be fair, I have seen him live a lot and I think he is either injured or has some other off the ice issue because he really hasnt played well and to my eye isnt moving/anticipating like he did last year but looks more like he did when he was coming off that hip/abdominal surgery. I think the only way they move Ghost is the unlikely case of a godfather offer or they think his hip/knee or whatever is chronic.

I also would keep Gudas as the RHD vet although would certainly consider offers.

Hagg absolutely should be the guy to be traded, for so many reasons, but I'm not going to get my hopes up on that one.

Unfortunately it seems like he's one of those terrible players that GM's just can't see through. He's terrible on the ice, his value will never be higher, there's plenty of teams desperate for D help, and yet I fear Hagg isn't even being shopped around.

And yeah, Ghost shouldn't go anywhere and I'd hold on to Gudas too.

I've posted it many times now, but my dream lineup for later this year is:

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Morin-Myers

 

[hatcher]

Ghost strikes me as an ideal piece for a team needing an offensive boost, not as a foundational player for a rebuilding team.

Its all about team and some posters dont get that.

 

[Curufinwe]

If the Flyers could just swap Couturier for Dougie Hamilton, we wouldn't even need Ghost.

I'd love to hear why you think we should take your player evaluations seriously. This gem about snobs seeing Couturier as being "more than he is" is not even two years old.

The snobby tone people take when defending this player is what's fascinating.

There is ample and growing evidence that he is nothing but a marginal middle six player.

He does look good in a spreadsheet, I'll grant you guys that.

 

[flyers0909]

25 year old defenseman who is 15th in points since 2015 and signed for dirt cheap isn't a foundation piece. Definitely can't have cost controlled talent when putting together a roster.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The Flyers are 29/31 in PP % with Ghost.

The Flyers are tied for 29/31 in the standings with Ghost.

And to anyone who isn’t relying on the well-known broken clock that is the NHL’s giveaway stats Ghost has been a turnover machine.

However, he also carries some of the highest trade value on this foundering team, & the team has significant holes elsewhere, in particular lacking dynamism in their top 2 scoring lines.

The team also has young defensemen ready or nearly ready to step into the NHL, such as Myers, Morin, & Friedman.

So if someone is of the opinion that Ghost is best used as a trade chip to address other problems with this flawed, nearly last-place team, maybe their opinion is justifiable even if others may not agree with it. Instead, we have differences of opinion attacked as failings of intellect rather than simply different perspectives.

 

[flyers0909]

Out of those guys, only Myers can be projected to be a top 4 D. Between with what we have in the pipeline and free agency this year, I have so much more confidence in our F group going forward than I would our D without Ghost.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Oh good....we are at the "Trade Ghost because apparently he's useless" part of his career in Philadelphia

 

[Curufinwe]

List of Flyers dmen who have shown in the past that they can run the top PP unit and score 20+ PPP in a season

Gostisbehere, Shayne

That is all.


If there is any real intention of moving him, they should have Sanheim on PP1 to see if he can do it, cause Prorovrov sure can't.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ghost's 33 PPP last season is the 2nd most by a dman this decade. Only Lidstrom, with 39 in 10-11, had more.

In his first three seasons, only Burns produced more PPP (four more), and he played in 28 more games. If you're trading Ghost, you better be damn sure that his struggles on the PP this season are going to be the new norm.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[The Madrigal]

Probably the same morons who wanted to trade Giroux a couple of years ago because he had a 66 point season and was supposedly washed up before he turned 30.

 

[Striiker]

As usual, it just comes down to overwhelming bias against him by specific posters.

Zero logic.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Out of those guys, only Myers can be projected to be a top 4 D. Between with what we have in the pipeline and free agency this year, I have so much more confidence in our F group going forward than I would our D without Ghost.

I respectfully disagree, in that I think the Flyers’ need for a high skill/speed forward is bigger than you believe, & that Ghost’s importance to the D corps is less than you believe.

If the Flyers could get Fabbro in a Simmonds trade would that impact your thought process?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

And on cue, here come the personal insults.

 

[flyers0909]

I respectfully disagree, in that I think the Flyers’ need for a high skill/speed forward is bigger than you believe, & that Ghost’s importance to the D corps is less than you believe.

If the Flyers could get Fabbro in a Simmonds trade would that impact your thought process?

Perhaps, and obviously if the right offer was there you would take it. I absolutely wouldn't call Ghost untouchable, but I'm definitely not looking to trade him.

Last offseason, this conversation would have been absolutely ridiculous. With this gong show of a season I just don't know how you disregard the prior 3 seasons and don't think Ghost is a critical piece to this team.

 

[Striiker]

Nothing says "offensive boost" like trading away one of your best offensive players and a top 10 offensive defensemen in the entire league.

How many times will stupid things be said before the Ghost haters realize how ridiculous they sound?