GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[Borsig]

This has been a bad TDL.

Like I'm glad we got pool party for nothing if he resigns in the 2.5 or under range.

But Ghost? Ghost is nowhere what we needed and.....

Big splash.

Told you all that Waddell was full of shit. Same crap, different year. What a waste of 10m in space. Weaponized my ass.

 

[Sigurd]

Hot take. So you’re saying that we didn’t discuss Chychrun and Arizona didn’t want the best pick possible? Cool

Strawman argument. I never said we didn't discuss Chychrun. Pretty reasonable to question why we or other teams couldn't have beaten that offer (1st round pick + Morrow + Philly's 2nd round pick is a good start); see the previous half a dozen or more comments before mine.

You're having a knee jerk reaction to defend the Canes when people are upset at something they did or didn't do.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Strawman argument. I never said we didn't discuss Chychrun. Pretty reasonable to question why we or other teams couldn't have beaten that offer; see the previous half a dozen or more comments before mine.

You're having a knee jerk reaction to defend the Canes when people are upset at something they did or didn't do.

Strawman? And calling my defending a knee jerk? The irony is thick

 

[Blueline Bomber]

This thread might be hilarious to bring up in a few months

 

[The Jerk Store]

Based on the standings, to get a comparable value to Ottawa's offer, the ask for the Canes may have been two firsts and a conditional second.

 

[Sigurd]

Strawman? And calling my defending a knee jerk? The irony is thick

Irony? You just throw out buzzwords when they aren't applicable and think you automatically win an argument without substance. Like calling Moses Malone a hypocrite for wanting Jeannot.

I'm with the majority of opinion of hockey fans in thinking that was a very low return Arizona got. Nothing ironic about it, but sure. Whatever you want to tell yourself to feel better. The front office should get credit when they deserve it, and be questioned when they should.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Irony? You just throw out buzzwords when they aren't applicable and think you automatically win an argument without substance. Like calling Moses Malone a hypocrite for wanting Jeannot.

I'm with the majority of opinion of hockey fans in thinking that was a very low return Arizona got. Nothing ironic about it, but sure. Whatever you want to tell yourself to feel better. The front office should get credit when they deserve it, and be questioned when they should.

like you have no information on what the Canes offered or if Zona was interested in what we have to offer but you assume everything. That is about knee jerk as it gets.

sounds like you missed the entire Jeannot conversation and is misrepresenting it.

just throw out buzzwords? Ill try incorporating these more to meet your requirements

• Return on investment.
• Synergy.
• Customer journey.
• Deep dive.
• Impact.
• Ballpark.
• Core competency.
• Visibility.

at least your post didnt disappoint for a good laugh,

 

[moses malone 12]

Well, that Chychrun trade actually hurts. How did it take this long to get that?

Donnie turtleneck and tommy dundo should be ashamed of themselves. everyone has been screaming for high end talent. Most of us believed that this is the year mgmt. embraces high end expensive talent. They had picks, cap space and prospects to offer. My autopsy is that they value draft picks and prospects way too highly. Chychrun, Meier and Horvat were available this deadline and the Canes were pretenders on all three. Not sure why other than Nikishin and Jarvis being untouchable for Meier but on the other two; no way. Chychrun did not net any players and Carolina had equal if not better prospect and player than the Islanders. In hindsight, the Orlov and Hathaway trade was a deal Canes should have done. rentals yes but who gives a shit about another 1st round pick. there is little to no room for prospects to advance in this organization. why are they not weaponizing these assets?

The GM from Tampa basically said why he grossly overpaid on Jeannot. You can agree or disagree with his logic but that's a team that is bold, decisive and takes risks to win another Cup. it seems like the Canes have a different identity, one that has to prove they are the smartest team in the room.

I'll end with this: what makes me the most nervous about the playoffs is the potential for our smaller guys to get trucked because the opponent knows we will fold when games get physical, dirty and painful. We'll see. this is a great team on the basis of their record but playoffs are different.

 

[Identity404]

I think that was from the NHL's Stanley Cup journal back in '06, and I doubt it was available high res based on the bandwidth of internet connections back then.

That sounds about right, and would explain the quality. I did a reverse google search to see if I could get anymore information... Didn't find anything... except a lot more pics of Rod without a shirt.

 

[moses malone 12]

I am thinking that Bertuzzi is their target at this point. A 2nd + 3rd or equivalent prospects should do it. Heavy LW that is also distressed this year.

if you mean Bertuzzi is Italian for Max Domi, then yes I agree with you.

 

[Stickpucker]

We couldn't beat that?!?

We're being aggressive *rawr*

 

[MadeUpName]

This thread might be hilarious to bring up in a few months

After Ghost springs Puljujarvi for a Game 7 2OT winner against Edmonton at home?

 

[Stickpucker]

We've still got enough cap for EP with KK going the other way

 

[Identity404]

I was pretty meh on Chychrun, I didn't think he made much sense unless we wanted to replace Skjei, and is he Really worth the 1st + A prospect + 2nd over Skjei? He brings more offense, but was sheltered defensively in Arizona. Ghost can bring the same offense for the PP, and he was a lot cheaper.

I think the only appeal was he was the last "big name" after we missed out on Meier...

Can't we all just be happy we didn't end up with Klingberg?

 

[Stickpucker]

This has been a bad TDL.

Like I'm glad we got pool party for nothing if he resigns in the 2.5 or under range.

But Ghost? Ghost is nowhere what we needed and.....

Big splash.

Told you all that Waddell was full of shit. Same crap, different year. What a waste of 10m in space. Weaponized my ass.

We had the rock in PP we now have the sling in Ghost...where is Goliath???!!??

 

[HisIceness]

Land safely with Spirit and it’s a win.

Especially when one is going to Orlando

 

[Stickpucker]

This thread might be hilarious to bring up in a few months

We'll either laugh, cry, or break some shit.

 

[Chrispy]

I was pretty meh on Chychrun, I didn't think he made much sense unless we wanted to replace Skjei, and is he Really worth the 1st + A prospect + 2nd over Skjei? He brings more offense, but was sheltered defensively in Arizona. Ghost can bring the same offense for the PP, and he was a lot cheaper.

I think the only appeal was he was the last "big name" after we missed out on Meier...

Can't we all just be happy we didn't end up with Klingberg?

Good point. Chychrun would have been the last move between assets traded and cap taken up, and a better defensive upgrade on the bottom pairing but less of a PP upgrade.

If this is the last move, the deadline is a disappointment. If they can get a forward and Poolparty and Gost? I’ll be good with that even if the order is frustrating.

 

[Canes]

Their goaltending is bad and defensive execution is poor regularly

So are a couple of the teams they're competing against. At that spot, they ALL have worts of some kind. I'm not saying they make it but it's not out of the question even if some of the teams they are competing against have better chances.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm rather ambivalent about the Gost move overall, mainly because they haven't addressed what I thought was the biggest need, a goal scoring forward to replace what we thought we had in Pacioretty. There's still some time and cap space so I won't judge the overall deadline until I'm sure they are done.

 

[spockBokk]

Henrique still a possibility too at 50% retained if they send Coghlan back as part of the return (or if they demote him)

 

[chaz4hockey]

Good point. Chychrun would have been the last move between assets traded and cap taken up, and a better defensive upgrade on the bottom pairing but less of a PP upgrade.

If this is the last move, the deadline is a disappointment. If they can get a forward and Poolparty and Gost? I’ll be good with that even if the order is frustrating.

"If they can get a forward and Poolparty and Gost? I’ll be good with that even if the order is frustrating."

We no longer have the cap space for a big deal.

My preference for remaining space is for the team to re-work the 4th line and move Stastny and Stephan out and more physical players in. PoolParty is has speed and size so that's one winger, Noesen stays as the other but I believe we need a better C to replace Stastny (either KK moves down or we source someone else for the 4th line). Window is getting shorter and cap space is now limited so......

 

[Unsustainable]

Maybe he was being aggressive with his offers as in, I’ll give you 3 2nds for Chychryn

 

[Chrispy]

"If they can get a forward and Poolparty and Gost? I’ll be good with that even if the order is frustrating."

We no longer have the cap space for a big deal.

My preference for remaining space is for the team to re-work the 4th line and move Stastny and Stephan out and more physical players in. PoolParty is has speed and size so that's one winger, Noesen stays as the other but I believe we need a better C to replace Stastny (either KK moves down or we source someone else for the 4th line). Window is getting shorter and cap space is now limited so......

Send Coghlan down and there is $3.369M in cap space.

With a 50% retention by other the trading team or a 3rd party that can fit up to a $6.738M cap hit.

That can still fit most of the candidates we have discussed.

 

[Sigurd]

like you have no information on what the Canes offered or if Zona was interested in what we have to offer but you assume everything. That is about knee jerk as it gets.

sounds like you missed the entire Jeannot conversation and is misrepresenting it.

just throw out buzzwords? Ill try incorporating these more to meet your requirements

• Return on investment.
• Synergy.
• Customer journey.
• Deep dive.
• Impact.
• Ballpark.
• Core competency.
• Visibility.

at least your post didnt disappoint for a good laugh,

Must have a very low standard for entertainment and humor then, but more than likely you're not entertained and you feel triggered to score internet points with strangers and pretending otherwise with 15k+ posts as you comment in a trollish way. Not gonna take someone seriously that's over-invested in defending old rich guys who will never see your posts.

But yes, please continue to lecture in a condescending way from your "pulpit" as you frequently do to other posters. I guess when your standards of "entertainment" are so low, it's fun to act way superior to everyone about stickpuck with your rose colored glasses. However, acting like a blatant troll definitely means you win an internet argument.

Finally, you also have just as much information as the rest of us about what the Canes did or didn't offer. Also, while true that Arizona maybe didn't like Morrow, Ottawa didn't even trade a prospect. Importantly, it's also possible that Carolina didn't want to risk another Meier and come up empty handed and decided to get Ghost who was a more sure thing. Here's another buzzword for you, that's another variable. Worth wondering if we, or other teams could've beaten a weak offer though. I'm sure you'll enlighten people who wonder if Ottawa's offer could've been beaten with more bullet pointed buzzwords in a more trollish manner.

*insert irony, hypocrite, etc. response*