toddkaz
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Vancouver fans dont seem to happy and I agree. Pretty underwhelming return.
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CowbellConray
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Very underwhelming. Top 12 protection drops you out of the A grade prospects, Raty is a good but not great prospect, and they get a 25 year old middle six guy. For a potential 50 goal guy this year.
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I don't think it's a guarantee Horvat re-signs either.
Paxon
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A potential 50 goal guy on an expiring contract. It's a rental AFAIK.
toddkaz
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Yup, Raty is a B prospect and they get a middle 1st rounder along with Beauvillier which isn't a great loss.
Its a fine return but you here 3 1st rounders for Karlsson or 1st and 2 A prospects for Chychrun it doesn't sound like the market is there.
Agreed - that deal doesn't look like one for a guy who agreed to sign an extension. Getting Horvat for less than half a season and then not having a first unless you really stink doesn't look great.
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Chychrun has two years remaining on his contract. As does Karlsson, though his years remaining aren't exactly a good thing.
toddkaz
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If he doesn't resign and the Islanders miss the playoffs then the GM should be fired for that trade.
It would be dumb to make this trade without talking about an extension first.
They had their sights set waaaay too high.
Or maybe they will try to make the playoffs. Don’t think he is ready
You are thinking of the days when the Sabres had no chance to make playoffs. Playoff teams don’t do that
toddkaz
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Islanders can also trade Horvat in a month if he doesn't sign. a la Vanek.
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It wouldn’t be the first time the Isles traded early for a rental and then had to flip him at the deadline because it didn’t move the needle.
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As much as I want Meier and have been an advocate of his for a while, but I think D is definitely more important. We're already an offensive powerhouse.
But I guess why not both. Don't think I am as high on Chych with his injury history.
But I guess why not both. Don't think I am as high on Chych with his injury history.
Statements are in conjunctionI like how you quoted yourself and rebutted what you said
Playoff teams worry about making the playoffd
Not about prospects
Only way they get a sniff is if out of playoff picture.
I sure hope they are on the hunt. Playoff teams don’t call up unready players
We got to stop thinking like a team that is not playoff caliber
toddkaz
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I will take Benning from San Jose. Probably can get him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I don't think San Jose would trade him away though.I
Who cares, it was only an example.
toddkaz
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Caroline Says ll
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Even with an extension this is just poor roster assessment. For his career there is not much separating Horvat from Brock Nelson.
The Islanders need top end talent to go along with Barzal. Instead you got another typically 55 point player to go along with the Nelson, Lee and JGP. This is not the player you needed to push you into the playoffs and this is not the player you need to extend based on the team you ready have.
I won't even get started on the red flags of Horvat's career season.
The Horvat return seems more like what a 50-point center would get. Perhaps no one else is convinced this season is what one will get with Horvat going forward.
Paxon
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Our offense is a powerhouse because of our forwards AND our defensemen. Our defense is lousy because of our forwards, defensemen, and goalie situation -- with ebbs and flows as players were struggling our injured. My point being that it's not so straight forward. Meier or Chychrun would both improve the team offensively and defensively, at the same time truly improving the team defensively is going to require the coaches install a real defensive scheme and coach the players up on it, which isn't gonna happen this season.
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I don’t know that Horvat really moves the needle for them, but I respect the effort.
No need to get into an arms race, but the potential points of improvement remain the same as they were before
No need to get into an arms race, but the potential points of improvement remain the same as they were before
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Yeah, I don't get why Rutherford did this deal NOW. I mean, I get why Lou wanted it done now.......but certainly Rutherford could have gotten a better prospect out of someone. Unless Rutherford/Allvin/Canucks scouting are absolutely in love with Raty?
Let's see how Horvat does in the place offense goes to die.
Also -- any word on what happens to the pick if the Isles are in the top 12?
Moves to an unprotected 2024 pick
It moves the needle somewhere. Just not to anything meaningful
Hey, let the islanders hopelessly join the teams selling their future to win now. When this team is really good in a couple years, you gotta think the caps, islanders, penguins will be on a pretty serious downfall
The Canucks have strangled the situation with extending Horvat so moving him on seems like clearing out part of the discontent in the dressing room. Boeser has been said to be available. Garland is said to be available. It wouldn't surprise if both are shown the door in Vancouver too.
