Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Zman5778]

Wait. Rutherford RETAINED 25% and only got a top 12 protected pick, a meh player and a B-level prospect?

Jesus, Rutherford.....................

 

[Djp]

If Johnson isn't NHL ready at the end of his NCAA, he's super close. Like maybe half a season in Rochester tops close.

I think it's possible (maybe not probable, but possible) that he comes in and is an immediate upgrade to Bryson.

he comes and plays a few games. He’s in Rochester next year and probably on Sabres in 24/25

Islanders made a big move. Including a 1st round pick i‘ve been repeatedly told will not move in this draft

Adams is frantically on the phone trying to counter with more exploratory conversations.

this is just like Vanked for 2014 protected 1st+ 2015 2nd+ Moukson to balance out salary.

they couldn’t resign Vanek so he got moved for a 2nd+

 

[Zman5778]

Anytime I bring up trading a protected 1 I’m met with people saying no team would trade any first round pick because they believe mid firsts in this draft are like top picks in another.

Where? I haven't seen that much around here at all.......if you're talking the main board......well, I mean......yeah, of course they'd say shit like that.

My thought is that UNPROTECTED 1sts from bubble teams (like us, Isles, etc) aren't moving this year.....if they move, they're going to be protected and possibly more heavily than "usual". Teams squarely in the playoffs will trade their unprotected 1sts with no qualms (Rangers, etc).

 

[Djp]

The Canucks have strangled the situation with extending Horvat so moving him on seems like clearing out part of the discontent in the dressing room. Boeser has been said to be available. Garland is said to be available. It wouldn't surprise if both are shown the door in Vancouver too.

i don’t see both going. Some in the off-season.

the issue is cap space and you only can do 3 retentions.

i think Garland will need retention to get a decent return without cap coming back

yers us also there and will need retention.

Where? I haven't seen that much around here at all.......if you're talking the main board......well, I mean......yeah, of course they'd say shit like that.

My thought is that UNPROTECTED 1sts from bubble teams (like us, Isles, etc) aren't moving this year.....if they move, they're going to be protected and possibly more heavily than "usual". Teams squarely in the playoffs will trade their unprotected 1sts with no qualms (Rangers, etc).

i don’t recall any deadline deal in recent years where that years 1st didn’t include some sort of restrictions. Thry mob pe a pick in 24 there might not be protections on that.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Others have suggested it or something similar for Meier.

1st top 10 protected, Rosen, Portillo.

 

[Zman5778]

Speaking of restricting a 1st round pick, I'm just throwing this out there:

If our 2023 1st round pick is on the table (I don't think it is....but I'm playing devil's advocate)........I don't see the point to a "top 10" protection. Remember -- the winner of the lottery can only move up a max of 10 spots. Even if we go on another 4/5/6 game losing streak........I really can't see us falling into the top 10 of the draft at this point.

So personally, the protections I'd use on a 2023 1st (that I don't think is in play, but hey it's a discussion)......would be either top 5 (looks better than top 10, even if functionally the same) or top 15.

 

[Djp]

Or maybe they will try to make the playoffs. Don’t think he is ready


You are thinking of the days when the Sabres had no chance to make playoffs. Playoff teams don’t do that

assumr minnesota makes frozen 4.
buffalo plays Columbus on make up day. Thr only other games is Colorado- nashville flood game.

they will know if they are in, need to win, or out.

if they are already in, they will be resting a few players.

 

[Irie]

Wait. Rutherford RETAINED 25% and only got a top 12 protected pick, a meh player and a B-level prospect?

Jesus, Rutherford.....................

I think people are undervaluing Raty here. He's a 20 year old, lanky center that was a PPG player in Liiga at 19.

Once he adjusts to the NA game and fills out, I think there is a good chance he will develop into a solid top 6 center.

 

[Djp]

Others have suggested it or something similar for Meier.

1st top 10 protected, Rosen, Portillo.

Too much.

it’s either or on Ostlund/Rosen + PHL 2nd+ Portillo

if they were even going to do that whivh I highly doubt.

 

[Zman5778]

Thinking about the Horvat trade.......this could absolutely be a win for the Canucks. The Isles are going to be hovering in no-man's land this year and next............and at some point the bottom WILL fall out on the Isles.

It's entirely possible that the Isles' pick will be top 12 which means Vancouver will own the Isles 2024 pick period. That could very, very much work out in the Canucks' favor.

Still think Rutherford could have done better.....but there's a sneaky chance for this to be a real good one for Vancouver.

 

[Djp]

I think people are undervaluing Raty here. He's a 20 year old, lanky center that was a PPG player in Liiga at 19.

Once he adjusts to the NA game and fills out, I think there is a good chance he will develop into a solid top 6 center.

until he shows otherwise he is equivalent to a 2nd where he was drafted. I’m not inflating his value.

 

[Zman5778]

it’s either or on Ostlund/Rosen + PHL 2nd+ Portillo

Portillo doesn't have that much value. He's not even in the same conversation as Ostlund/Rosen OR in the same conversation as the Philly 2nd. All 3 of those have MUCH more value than Portillo. Like, it's not even close.


Or are you saying that SJ isn't getting a 1st for Meier.......which is absolutely crazy talk. SJ is absolutely getting a 1st of some sort for Meier.....maybe 2 of them, depending on where he goes.

 

[Djp]

Thinking about the Horvat trade.......this could absolutely be a win for the Canucks. The Isles are going to be hovering in no-man's land this year and next............and at some point the bottom WILL fall out on the Isles.

It's entirely possible that the Isles' pick will be top 12 which means Vancouver will own the Isles 2024 pick period. That could very, very much work out in the Canucks' favor.

Still think Rutherford could have done better.....but there's a sneaky chance for this to be a real good one for Vancouver.

i get why the Isles did this
they made conf finals two years in a row
they miss the playoffs last year given they had to start 23 on the road+ injuries
thry want a rebound in a window.

we saw this similarly in 2014…the final made playoffs in 2015 playoffs.

 

[Chainshot]

I think people are undervaluing Raty here. He's a 20 year old, lanky center that was a PPG player in Liiga at 19.

Once he adjusts to the NA game and fills out, I think there is a good chance he will develop into a solid top 6 center.

Raty had early regard for being one of the potential top picks of his draft year, faltered that year, but rebounded very well. He's a quality prospect.

 

[Djp]

Portillo doesn't have that much value. He's not even in the same conversation as Ostlund/Rosen OR in the same conversation as the Philly 2nd. All 3 of those have MUCH more value than Portillo. Like, it's not even close.


Or are you saying that SJ isn't getting a 1st for Meier.......which is absolutely crazy talk. SJ is absolutely getting a 1st of some sort for Meier.....maybe 2 of them, depending on where he goes.

im not sending them a 1st AND a mid 1st drsft pick. Thst is a serious overpayment.

it’s a 1st 2nd+ something else.
im not moving the 23 1st if it’s in the teens And Ostlund/Rosen Thsts is sn overpayment on a 2+ yr rental.

if I’m giving up that I want someone with 3 yrs at least of team control.

 

[Der Jaeger]

#Untouchable

Bluest of blue chips….

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Speaking of restricting a 1st round pick, I'm just throwing this out there:

If our 2023 1st round pick is on the table (I don't think it is....but I'm playing devil's advocate)........I don't see the point to a "top 10" protection. Remember -- the winner of the lottery can only move up a max of 10 spots. Even if we go on another 4/5/6 game losing streak........I really can't see us falling into the top 10 of the draft at this point.

So personally, the protections I'd use on a 2023 1st (that I don't think is in play, but hey it's a discussion)......would be either top 5 (looks better than top 10, even if functionally the same) or top 15.

On the main boards, in the thread on “Top 4 D to Buffalo” I posited the Buffalo 2023 1st with top 3 protection + one of the Buffalo 2023 2nds (leaning towards the Vegas one, but didn’t specify) + Johnson for Gavrikov and Peeke. Apparently it was an overpayment but the idea of extensions was left out. Ignoring lines, the D depth is now (list form):

Dahlin
Samuelsson
Power
Gavrikov
Jokiharju
Peeke
Lyubushkin
Bryson
Clague
Pilut

as opposed to what we have now.

I dunno. Probably overpaying but we’ve moved people down the depth line.

 

[old kummelweck]

So, Lance and Joe dropped a Maintenance Day episode today.

They think the ask on Meier is sky high. Like VO+Savoie+Kulich high. It was VO plus two 1st equivalents. If that is where things are at…

Also, Lance said he heard that Adams made a preliminary call on Meier and it wasn’t any sort of in depth talks. And it was kind of the same thing he’s heard with Adams calling the Yotes on Chychrun. He expects smaller deals like a physical forward and a depth D. They were wishing the Wild were out of it and Marcus was available.

Lance and Joe have no insider info. Those guys are just speculating on the ask, and the Adams 'preliminary call' is what Friendman already said.

 

[Zman5778]

On the main boards, in the thread on “Top 4 D to Buffalo” I posited the Buffalo 2023 1st with top 3 protection + one of the Buffalo 2023 2nds (leaning towards the Vegas one, but didn’t specify) + Johnson for Gavrikov and Peeke. Apparently it was an overpayment but the idea of extensions was left out. Ignoring lines, the D depth is now (list form):

Not even debating the extraordinary overpayment there.....but why would CBJ trade Peeke? They gave him an extension in September....full well knowing that they have Jiricek. If anything I think Boqvist would be the odd man out -- he got signed before Jiricek was draft, and he's not a CBJ product.

 

[billsandsabres]

Bluest of blue chips….

+500 likes. too good

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Not even debating the extraordinary overpayment there.....but why would CBJ trade Peeke? They gave him an extension in September....full well knowing that they have Jiricek. If anything I think Boqvist would be the odd man out -- he got signed before Jiricek was draft, and he's not a CBJ product.

When I looked, Peeke wasn’t updated to having extended. Also that trade return was contingent on extensions by both players. I also have no problem overpaying on long term players. It’s not like both players are old.

 

[Zman5778]

When I looked, Peeke wasn’t updated to having extended. Also that trade return was contingent on extensions by both players. I also have no problem overpaying on long term players. It’s not like both players are old.

I just don't see any reason why CBJ would trade Peeke beyond a godfather offer.....and I don't think he's worth that kind of offer.

 

[Irie]

until he shows otherwise he is equivalent to a 2nd where he was drafted. I’m not inflating his value.

I would argue that a PPG in the Liiga at 19 and 1.4+ PPG at the U20s is "showing otherwise". "B prospect" is under-selling him imo.

What does a prospect have to do to become more than a "B prospect"?

Or is grading strictly based on draft pedigree?

 

[Djp]

I would argue that a PPG in the Liiga at 19 and 1.4+ PPG at the U20s is "showing otherwise". "B prospect" is under-selling him imo.

What does a prospect have to do to become more than a "B prospect"?

Or is grading strictly based on draft pedigree?

Probability. Hie many superstar forwards were drafted outside top 50 in this century?

im not saying he sucks. He was recently drafted as a 2nd rounder. I’m waiting till he actually plays 100 games in the nhl to call him anything above where he was drafted.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Probability. Hie many superstar forwards were drafted outside top 50 in this century?

im not saying he sucks. He was recently drafted as a 2nd rounder. I’m waiting till he actually plays 100 games in the nhl to call him anything above where he was drafted.

Depends what your cutoff for Superstar is. Kucherov, Point, Gaudreau, Kaprizov, Bratt, Benn, Hoffman, and Stone might be the best in the last 15 years.

There's plenty of good players though