Trade Deadline day approaches (quarantine reduced)

[OVO16]

I have no complaints about Halls's game. I think he's an extremely skilled player.

But I hate the fit. I would not be a fan of a Move for Taylor Hall. That is not the type of forward this team needs. If this team is another 1st rd exit, Dubas needs to be fired

 

[I am Canadian]

Kempe and Nylander are good friends if I recall. Would be a good 2nd line W addition. I don't see why Kings would deal him though.

 

[TMLAM34]

Kempe and Nylander are good friends if I recall. Would be a good 2nd line W addition. I don't see why Kings would deal him though.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Kempe up with Matthews and Marner considering Galchenyuk has worked pretty good with Tavares and Nylander.

If there’s a deal for Kempe, one would think Dermott is who LA would want in return.

 

[Cor]

Ullmark is the new Weegar around here Christ almighty

A good player that we should acquire if possible?

Wow, how awful.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Goalie not needed. We added our insurance when we acquired the goalie from Columbus.

Andersen will come back, and when he does he and Campbell will run the show with Hutch as insurance. We will then be 4 deep.

No need to waste assets on another goalie for playoff run. Focus on top 6 forward and depth D man.

Hutchinson is more proven and likely better than double V. That isn't goalie insurance, that was a contract coming back to facilitate a trade of Lehtonen, that's all.

A good player that we should acquire if possible?

Wow, how awful.

I wonder if we did that Johnsson+Dermott for Weegar deal if they were going to not add Brodie? Or Bogosian?

Wish we did it in hindsight. Also....yea we should add Ullmark.

 

[Fogelhund]

If this team is another 1st rd exit, Dubas needs to be fired

No....

 

[mydnyte]

this is a proven winner...

Since Hall enters league in 2010 his team 1st round pick and team standing:
2011 1st (finished last)
2012 1st (finished 2nd last)
2013 7th (finished 7th last)
2014 3rd (finished 3rd last)
2015 1st (finished last)
2016 4th (finished 2nd last)
2017 1st (finished 4th last)
2018 17th (Hall's 1st playoffs, team finished 15th overall)
2019 1st (finished 3rd last)
2020 split (Devils finished 6th last)

 

[Fogelhund]

Hutchinson is more proven and likely better than double V. That isn't goalie insurance, that was a contract coming back to facilitate a trade of Lehtonen, that's all.



I wonder if we did that Johnsson+Dermott for Weegar deal if they were going to not add Brodie? Or Bogosian?

Wish we did it in hindsight. Also....yea we should add Ullmark.

Weegar would have been an excellent addition. We wouldn't have picked up Brodie though. We would have had extra cap, about $1.75 mil more, so we could have spent more either on the bottom pairing D, an improved 3C, or somehwere else. I'm happy with Brodie for sure, but Weegar also would have been a good one.

Yes, we absolutely should add Ullmark if possible, and sign him long-term, if he works out here, and has a reasonable ask.

 

[Fogelhund]

this is a proven winner...

Since Hall enters league in 2010 his team 1st round pick and team standing:
2011 1st (finished last)
2012 1st (finished 2nd last)
2013 7th (finished 7th last)
2014 3rd (finished 3rd last)
2015 1st (finished last)
2016 4th (finished 2nd last)
2017 1st (finished 4th last)
2018 17th (Hall's 1st playoffs, team finished 15th overall)
2019 1st (finished 3rd last)
2020 split (Devils finished 6th last)

I find this to be a weak argument. If Matthews or McDavid were about to be traded, should teams pass on them, because their teams haven't won anything?

 

[OVO16]

 

[WTFMAN99]

Weegar would have been an excellent addition. We wouldn't have picked up Brodie though. We would have had extra cap, about $1.75 mil more, so we could have spent more either on the bottom pairing D, an improved 3C, or somehwere else. I'm happy with Brodie for sure, but Weegar also would have been a good one.

Yes, we absolutely should add Ullmark if possible, and sign him long-term, if he works out here, and has a reasonable ask.

Pretty much only worked if we also moved Kerfoot.

Even not signing Bogosian, Thornton etc couldn't have allowed for Weegar and Brodie to come.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

A good player that we should acquire if possible?

Wow, how awful.

yeah bro I hate getting good players thank god you’re here for me

I’m referring to the constant obsession over acquiring an average player

 

[Menzinger]

this is a proven winner...

Since Hall enters league in 2010 his team 1st round pick and team standing:
2011 1st (finished last)
2012 1st (finished 2nd last)
2013 7th (finished 7th last)
2014 3rd (finished 3rd last)
2015 1st (finished last)
2016 4th (finished 2nd last)
2017 1st (finished 4th last)
2018 17th (Hall's 1st playoffs, team finished 15th overall)
2019 1st (finished 3rd last)
2020 split (Devils finished 6th last)

Hall isn't GM. A single player can't turn a terrible team around. It's not his fault he was drafted by a terrible team and then traded to a terrible team.

What's more noteworthy was his ability to produce great offensive numbers playing with such lousy teammates imo

 

[mydnyte]

I find this to be a weak argument. If Matthews or McDavid were about to be traded, should teams pass on them, because their teams haven't won anything?

should i add his overall at best 2nd line player points totals to make a better argument?
broke 60 points 3 times in his career
scored 30 goals ONE time in his career
he's often injured, and has had one 'great' year his entire career (93 points), and one 'good year (80 pts).

Kessel gets a bad wrap, but, he's more productive than Hall.

 

[kb]

Buffalo's $27 million combo of Eichel, Skinner, and Hall have combined for 7 G and 35 A in 92 GP.

For reference, the Leafs current 3rd line of Kerfoot, Spezza, and Thornton has 18G and 32A in 104 GP (for $4.9 million), and the 4th line of Engvall, Mikheyev, and Simmonds has 14 G and 12 A in 90 GP (for $4.25 million).

 

[mydnyte]

Hall isn't GM. A single player can't turn a terrible team around. It's not his fault he was drafted by a terrible team and then traded to a terrible team.

What's more noteworthy was his ability to produce great offensive numbers playing with such lousy teammates imo

you cant be serious ...read my other post on him in regards to his 'great offensive numbers'.

 

[nobody]

If we're not having to pay a 1st or one of Amirov, Robertson, Sandin or Lilly for Hall. Let's get it done Dubas. Worst case, I would be okay trading a 1st.

Something like Ullmark + Hall for 1st, 3rd, and B prospect. Replace Kerfoot with a depth 4C guy who can be a PK specialist, if we can secure one.


Hall - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - JT - Nylander
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman
Kerfoot - Spezza - Simmonds
4th line C replacement/ PK guy.

D

Ullmark
Campbell

Bring Fred off LTIR in the playoffs.

 

[Fogelhund]

should i add his overall at best 2nd line player points totals to make a better argument?
broke 60 points 3 times in his career
scored 30 goals ONE time in his career
he's often injured, and has had one 'great' year his entire career (93 points), and one 'good year (80 pts).

Kessel gets a bad wrap, but, he's more productive than Hall.

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to argue here. Prime Kessel wouldn't be a bad addition here either, at the right price.

Adding Hall, as a complimentary piece, is a pretty good idea, as long as the cost isn't too much. He's still a far better offensive player, than any other option that has been mentioned.

I mean, if your post was.. .I'd rather go for a guy like Foligno, because he plays a heavier game that might compliment us better, sure...

But having played on losing teams, and being the best offensive player on the market, even if that isn't current league MVP levels, isn't a reason to not go for him. Preferring if a heavier guy might compliment better is. Wondering if he'd work out, when he's best with the puck on his stick, and so is Marner, is more legitimate.

Yes, he's mostly produced good, to great offensive numbers. 582 career regular season points, in 664 games, is pretty damned solid. 12 points in 14 career playoff games.

Noting, Hall is 0.87PPG career, Kessel is 0.80PPG career... so, no, Kessel hasn't been more productive per game.. but has more games, so more absolute points.

 

[123offtheglass]

4. Arizona 43pts, 17 games remaining
5. San Jose 38pts, 19 games remaining
6. St. Louis 38pts, 18 games remaining (14/18 against COL, VGK, MIN)

This week:
- Arizona: LAK, VGK
- San Jose: ANA, LAK, LAK
- St. Louis: VGK, MIN, MIN

Depending how this week goes, the Blues could become sellers, and if they are: what do they do with pending UFA Jaden Schwartz?

NHL Stanley Cup playoff chances and projected standings has each of their playoff odds at:
- Arizona: 60%
- San Jose: 20%
- St. Louis: 16%
(& LAK with the remainder)

 

[mydnyte]

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to argue here. Prime Kessel wouldn't be a bad addition here either, at the right price.

Adding Hall, as a complimentary piece, is a pretty good idea, as long as the cost isn't too much. He's still a far better offensive player, than any other option that has been mentioned.

I mean, if your post was.. .I'd rather go for a guy like Foligno, because he plays a heavier game that might compliment us better, sure...

But having played on losing teams, and being the best offensive player on the market, even if that isn't current league MVP levels, isn't a reason to not go for him. Preferring if a heavier guy might compliment better is. Wondering if he'd work out, when he's best with the puck on his stick, and so is Marner, is more legitimate.

my main point is, Hall is one of the most overrated players in the league, and i wouldnt give up any decent asset for him.

 

[Fogelhund]

my main point is, Hall is one of the most overrated players in the league, and i wouldnt give up any decent asset for him.

I wouldn't expect to have to give up Sandin/Liljegren/Roberston for Hall, nor a first... a second and a B prospect.. sure... (unless Ullmark comes too)

BTW... Noting, Hall is 0.87PPG career, Kessel is 0.80PPG career... so, no, Kessel hasn't been more productive per game..

 

[LeafChief]

my main point is, Hall is one of the most overrated players in the league, and i wouldnt give up any decent asset for him.

It's likely not going to cost a premium asset to acquire Hall, even at 50% retention.

 

[nobody]

 

[mydnyte]

I wouldn't expect to have to give up Sandin/Liljegren/Roberston for Hall, nor a first... a second and a B prospect.. sure... (unless Ullmark comes too)

BTW... Noting, Hall is 0.87PPG career, Kessel is 0.80PPG career... so, no, Kessel hasn't been more productive per game..

I'm an Ulmark fan, but, giving up anything for that pair is just throwing away assets.

Ulmark is a UFA and if signed will be exposed (i'm a fan of signing him as a UFA, not trading for him)
if we get Hall for even a 2nd and a 5th, or a middling prospect that i could swallow, but, talk on the trade board of Buff fans expecting a return of a 1st and Robertson or Sandin/lili plus are insane ...even our 1st should be 100% off the table for Hall, as should any of our 'top' prospects (Sandin/Amirov/Lili/Robertson etc).

 

[nobody]