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Oskar The Groucho said:
He is 32 turning 33. You move him now... I dont get people who dont want to move a 36 year old OEL and 33 year old McCabe.. Its time
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You don't move a guy just because he's turning 33 when he logs McCabe's minutes, unless you have an immediate plan in place to replace him. Toronto is not committing to a rebuild.
 
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Oskar The Groucho said:
He is 32 turning 33. You move him now... I dont get people who dont want to move a 36 year old OEL and 33 year old McCabe.. Its time
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Depends on who they can replace him with...

If the goal is to be competitive next year, subtracting McCabe creates a hole. Would have to be tied to another move...which very well may be the case.
IrishInOntario said:
You don't move a guy just because he's turning 33 when he logs McCabe's minutes, unless you have an immediate plan in place to replace him. Toronto is not committing to a rebuild.
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Agreed
 
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Weirdly he has a SV% just over .900 for his career and was only over .920 once in the playoffs (with CBJ). That team in Florida was just really good and had the puck all the time.
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There were also games against us the last few years in the playoffs where he went prime Hasek on us and just stole games that ultimately won them the series.

I'm as skeptical about him moving forward given his age as anyone, but id be hard pressed to criticize his playoff performance the last few years, especially when in 2 years he was hoisting the cup.
 
Phion Keneuf said:
Doesn’t make sense to move McCabe. Think he stays until next year at least
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No keep him. Hoping he and Tanev can recreate their pairing magic from the year before last (assuming health for both). He's one of the few guys that defends well and is physical (maybe the only one).
 
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Oskar The Groucho said:
He is 32 turning 33. You move him now... I dont get people who dont want to move a 36 year old OEL and 33 year old McCabe.. Its time
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He has a full NTC. Next season it becomes a 16 team NTC.

Let him play one season alongside Raddysh, who stylistically should be a great fit for him.
 
IrishInOntario said:
You don't move a guy just because he's turning 33 when he logs McCabe's minutes, unless you have an immediate plan in place to replace him. Toronto is not committing to a rebuild.
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So your own justified reason to not trade him at his highest value is that he plays a lot of minutes? That's not a good reason to capitalize on a valuable asset
 
A lot of people wanting Zellwegger... I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I'll say this. Adding two smurfs (even if they are sturdy guys) in Andrae and Zellwegger on the left side gives me pause. Size isn't everything. I'd rather have guys that can skate, shoot and move the puck. That said, I don't want half the d-core to wind up smurfs.
 
Phion Keneuf said:
He has a full NTC. Next season it becomes a 16 team NTC.

Let him play one season alongside Raddysh, who stylistically should be a great fit for him.
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That makes sense, barring some extreme injury, there shouldn't be much difference in the value between McCabe this year and next...and once the trade possibilities open up, should be able to optimize value if you really want to move off him.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
The Leafs intend on competing next season so moving McCabe and Rielly has to come with other moves to solidify the blue line and frankly that just seems like too much
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People need to realize Chayka is the first GM in our history who is both a fan of the Leafs and is now under the control of the Leafs. He will make the moves he feels is needed for the team to succeed.
 
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Oskar The Groucho said:
So your own justified reason to not trade him at his highest value is that he plays a lot of minutes? That's not a good reason to capitalize on a valuable asset
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What's his value? You and I have no clue. Is the return worth what he gives you in a re-tool? Would he be better kept now and if Toronto sucks this year, sell him at the deadline? Would his value be higher then?

I don't think it's as easy as just "move him". I would want substantial return that can impact the team now / soon.
 
SprDaVE said:
Going from McCabe to Zellweger or some alternative to that regardless of the picks we'd have would not improve us in the slightest.

McCabe was our #1 last 2 seasons, played a lot of very tough minutes, but he did struggle last year (who didn't?). I'm fine with selling high here and pivoting, but it will be very very hard to find that kind of hard nosed defenseman. If the Leafs want to push for the playoffs, this won't help unless they make some pretty creative maneuvering that is hard to phantom.
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I am not in the "room" with Leaf management so I have no idea who is available or for what price. But if someone is offering me 3 or 4 assets for McCabe or OEL I am going to think long and hard about it.

OEL, Rielly and McCabe all are basically 2nd pairing complimentry dmen or 3 pairing guys who can drive play. If the set up is going to be Raddysh as top RHD, Tanev as second pairing RHD and to be determined as 3rd pairing RHD. I see Andrae as a lock to be at least the 3rd pairing LHD so one of OEL or McCabe as 2nd pairing LHD leaving 1st pairing LHD and 3rd pairing RHD(Carlo?) as the open spots.

I would not be surprised if they are looking at bringing in a top pairing complimentry player for Raddysh. Who it is I have no idea. but selling off McCabe, Reilly and Carlo for a bag full of assets that Toronto does not have helps them to bring in what they need.
 
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IrishInOntario said:
What's his value? You and I have no clue. Is the return worth what he gives you in a re-tool? Would he be better kept now and if Toronto sucks this year, sell him at the deadline? Would his value be higher then?

I don't think it's as easy as just "move him". I would want substantial return that can impact the team now / soon.
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His value is whatever a team is willing to give up. You don't just say no to him. What if he gets injured this year? Then we are pooched
 
Oskar The Groucho said:
His value is whatever a team is willing to give up. You don't just say no to him. What if he gets injured this year? Then we are pooched
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You could argue that all of OEL, Carlo, McCabe, Tanev, and even Rielly until he's traded are all basically one serious injury away from a large regression.
 
nonsense trade wishlist for the day... Leaves us with almost $7 million of cap space still.


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Phion Keneuf said:
He has a full NTC. Next season it becomes a 16 team NTC.

Let him play one season alongside Raddysh, who stylistically should be a great fit for him.
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How is McCabe a great fit for Raddysh? McCabe is not a great skater or great at transitioning the puck like Moser. Raddysh has typically struggled great when paired with defensive types that cannot move the puck well. Right now Andrae or OEL have the best player profile to play with Raddysh.
 
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Oskar The Groucho said:
Then you trade them... why wait for that to happen? Be proactive like the good teams in the NHL are... not hard
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Hey preaching to the choir here - I've advocated moving Carlo and OEL all summer so far. Rielly's likely gone. Don't think they move McCabe but if you get a special offer you have to listen. I don't think Tanev goes anywhere though.
 
dubplatepressure said:
Hey preaching to the choir here - I've advocated moving Carlo and OEL all summer so far. Rielly's likely gone. Don't think they move McCabe but if you get a special offer you have to listen. I don't think Tanev goes anywhere though.
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Nobody wants Tanev sadly and he is off to Robidas island sadly. His body is done.. Well see if that changes this upcoming season but we got 1 good season out of that contract so far
 
Oskar The Groucho said:
He is 32 turning 33. You move him now... I dont get people who dont want to move a 36 year old OEL and 33 year old McCabe.. Its time
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McCabe is a very good D who often elevates his partners and plays above his pay grade. He even provides a bit of decent 5v5 offense. The dude made Simon Benoit look like a top 4 for a season and often garners the hardest usage on the team while putting up good results. Sure he's getting older but he's been fairly durable and if you lose him that's a huge hole to fill for which we don't have the resources right now to replenish.

Obviously anyone can be moved for the right price, but if you're not being offered a great package that helps you right now then what's the point really?
 
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