GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

[VanW27]

exactly ...need to put a lot of blame on the coach too.
MTL double teamed Matthews and shadowed Matthews, and Marner is the setup guy, and Hyman was useless. those 2 guys shooting the puck is like they were shooting using a floor hockey stick.
Keefe kept running them out there together, and Hyman would just eat the puck and kill the offense ...but, boy, can he forecheck

Hyman is 46th in the league in even strength goals over the last 3 years.

He has 2 less than Nathan MacKinnon, in 17 less games, who according to most is a top 3 player in the league over that time. And he's scored more than guys like Matthew Tkachuk, Mark Stone, Laine, Stamkos in similar or fewer games. It's disingenuous to pretend he's some useless plug.

 

[stickty111]

 

[zeke]

I doubt they are, but if we were serious about moving a D-man that's the kind of return that would make me more than ok with it.

Looks like the next Joe Colborne to me, tbh.

Same draft year as Lilly, and everyone gave up on Lilly before this year - even though Lilly was a much better AHLer than Vilardi.

 

[4thline]

Looks like the next Joe Colborne to me, tbh.

Same draft year as Lilly, and everyone gave up on Lilly before this year - even though Lilly was a much better AHLer than Vilardi.

A. Many on this board did not give up on Lilly. Think it through, that point goes against you. Unless it's that both should be given up on.
B. "Much" better in the AHL is a bit of a stretch, in the only season he's spent significant time there he was an impact player
C. There isn't that much AHL track record to compare since 50% of Vilardi's AHL eligible seasons have been in the NHL.
D. Colborne tracked well immediately post draft then stalled out (though still gave the flames a solid 3 year stretch), Vilardi's U19/U20 were almost all lost to injury, weird comparison.

 

[Fogelhund]

Should reclaim and send to Marlies for help.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

we can't send Brooks directly to the Marlies even if we are the only ones to claim because he spent more than 30 days on the Habs roster.

Leafs would need to waive him again (as Leafs property) to send him to the AHL.

 

[SprDaVE]

Should reclaim and send to Marlies for help.

The time limit passed on that per Mirtle.

But we can still claim him and send Semyonov back down... maybe.

 

[Fogelhund]

I know there is much disappointment.

 

[Fogelhund]

we can't send Brooks directly to the Marlies even if we are the only ones to claim because he spent more than 30 days on the Habs roster.

Leafs would need to waive him again (as Leafs property) to send him to the AHL.

That's fine...

 

[uncleben]

The time limit passed on that per Mirtle.

But we can still claim him and send Semyonov back down... maybe.

Not sure where Mirtle got that from - and also priority simply doesn't exist. It's regular waiver order

When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently, in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.

Emphasis my own

Just needs to be within the same season.
The only real relevant timeline is if Toronto does claim him, they have 30 days/10 games to send him down to the AHL, without waivers. If they miss that deadline, he needs waivers again.

The only catch I can think of is that Brooks was originally claimed before opening day, but I've never heard of preseason not counting to that rule. Would also imply Toronto's window closed two days after the original claim, which sounds very wrong.

 

[SprDaVE]

Not sure where Mirtle got that from - but also priority simply doesn't exist. It's regular waiver order


Emphasis my own

Just needs to be within the same season.
The only real relevant timeline is if Toronto does claim him, they have 30 days/10 games to send him down to the AHL, without waivers. If they miss that deadline, he needs waivers again.

The only catch I can think of is that Brooks was originally claimed before opening day, but I've never heard of preseason not counting to that rule. Would also apply Toronto's window closed two days after the original claim, which sounds very wrong.

Yeah I'm not sure to be honest. Sometimes these rules are super weird.

Either way, I think the Leafs might want to bring him back. He's probably a better option than Anderson.

 

[Kiwi]

Yeah I'm not sure to be honest. Sometimes these rules are super weird.

Either way, I think the Leafs might want to bring him back. He's probably a better option than Anderson.

Bring him back and try to send him down , if he gets claimed so be it but he's useful depth for us If he gets through imo

 

[mydnyte]

Hyman is 46th in the league in even strength goals over the last 3 years.

He has 2 less than Nathan MacKinnon, in 17 less games, who according to most is a top 3 player in the league over that time. And he's scored more than guys like Matthew Tkachuk, Mark Stone, Laine, Stamkos in similar or fewer games. It's disingenuous to pretend he's some useless plug.

i just dont care ...anyone who get slotted next to Matthews & Marner/Nylander for 4-5 seasons is going to have 'good' numbers. the problem i always had was he NEVER gave the puck up to the skilled players, he's a sponge, he sucks up the puck, and keeps it for himself, and that drove me nuts!
Matthews would pass to Hyman at blue line entry in an obvious give and go, but Hyman would never give the puck back... he'd either skate it into the corner boards, or shoot it into the corner and go chase it than hug the boards and play footsie with the puck until the shift was over.
yea, he got a bunch of goals, but, only because of who he played with.

 

[Knies iT]

Somebody mentioned it on a previous page but Jack McBain may be an interesting NCAA free agent target in the summer.

Toronto boy. 6'4 centre playing for Boston College. Drafted 3rd round by Minnesota in 2018. Lacklustre first three years in the NCAA but now has 14 points in 10 games as a 4th year player. If Minnesota doesn't sign him he will be a UFA in August 2022.

If McBain tests FA that would be a huge pickup.

His skating apparently improved drastically after his first couple seasons in the NCAA (biggest red flag). His numbers were understandably low in his freshman year transitioning from the OJHL instead of USHL which is typically easier. There were big questions about his production since he hasn't dominated statically since his time in Don Mills but he's exploded so far and is proving he can be a go-to offensive option. Long rangy centres typically take longer to develop and his trajectory has been on a sharp incline offensively so he might even have more to show.

What's intriguing is that he's a high floor type too. Even if his offense stagnates at pro, he has the intangibles and physical game to be a valuable bottom sixer. I'd bet on a 6'4" centre with growing offense and natural leadership abilities.

Played on the same team as Woll in BC.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm a fan of Engvall but I don't think the Leafs and Keefe are high on him at all and with the recent Clifford trade, I think we might see something happen there when Mikheyev is back. Mix that with the Holl/Dermott rumours, just a gut feeling that there might be something there.

We'll see.

 

[Kiwi]

I'm a fan of Engvall but I don't think the Leafs and Keefe are high on him at all and with the recent Clifford trade, I think we might see something happen there when Mikheyev is back. Mix that with the Holl/Dermott rumours, just a gut feeling that there might be something there.

We'll see.

I'm no Engvall fanboy but he's easily better than Clifford at everything bar punching faces

Making your depth worse when you're trying to win is just mind boggling to me

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm no Engvall fanboy but he's easily better than Clifford at everything bar punching faces

Making your depth worse when you're trying to win is just mind boggling to me

I think it's just a value thing and clearing cap space. When Mikheyev is back... Engvall is on the bench probably. Maybe he rotates in for different players here and there but generally and healthy, he's the odd man out.

So packaging Engvall with say a Dermott or Holl, that's 2M-3M in cap space out and probably a pick or something back, assuming there are takers in something that works. Maybe the Leafs can swing for the fences, again, and get a big LW upgrade with those secondary pieces... (unlikely).

Just a gut feeling they aren't high on him as much. I'd 100% keep Engvall though.

 

[Fogelhund]

I know there is much disappointment.

This is just funny now.

 

[Crosscrease14]

Bring Brooks home

 

[Smif]

I'm a fan of Engvall but I don't think the Leafs and Keefe are high on him at all and with the recent Clifford trade, I think we might see something happen there when Mikheyev is back. Mix that with the Holl/Dermott rumours, just a gut feeling that there might be something there.

We'll see.

Clifford trade?

 

[uncleben]

Clifford trade?

We just acquired him for future considerations
Clifford just cleared waivers, so we have the added flexibility of sending him down to the Marlies within the next 30 days or 10 games without needing waivers again
So, we may put him down to the A, or at least appreciate the ability to (if we had simply claimed him on waivers he'd have to be in the NHL), but either way the team clearly wanted some more depth after losing Brooks and Amadio on waivers this season

 

[BertCorbeau]

Vancouver’s about to do something stupid aren’t they?

Didn’t they shake things up this offseason by adding Garland and OEL? And moving Schmidt?

 

[LeafChief]

Vancouver’s about to do something stupid aren’t they?

Didn’t they shake things up this offseason by adding Garland and OEL? And moving Schmidt?

Benning has the green light. Great news for everyone else.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Matthews had 12 goals in 17 career games against Price...

Is that a regular season stat? We’re talking about playoffs….

Look at how Montreal game planned and look at how Price positioned himself whenever Matthews touched the puck. Hint: When the goalie takes away the entire angle you’re not getting pucks through

Coaches barely even line match during the regular season. Please stop thinking regular season is somehow comparable

 

[SprDaVE]

Vancouver’s about to do something stupid aren’t they?

Didn’t they shake things up this offseason by adding Garland and OEL? And moving Schmidt?

Hey... I hear Hoglander is a problem over there. We'll take him off their hands.

But yeah... That team is a tail spin. They have good youngish players on decent contracts but a lack of quality and a putrid defensive core.

I don't know why that organization still has Benning employed. But if he has the greenlight to fix his team via trade, the Leafs should be trying to poach ASAP.