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We just need a goalie better than Hutch to tide us over for the next month while Mrazek's injured. Like 5 starts. Surely there's a team out there with a vet goalie in their minor system who is blocking a young prospect who we should be able to get for minor considerations?
 
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Kurtz said:
We just need a goalie better than Hutch to tide us over for the next month while Mrazek's injured. Like 5 starts. Surely there's a team out there with a vet goalie in their minor system who is blocking a young prospect who we should be able to get for minor considerations?
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I don't know why we do. This isn't a season long thing here. It's 4 weeks (now 3 weeks). Spending assets on 3rd or 4th stringers just because your back-up is injured is a waste of assets and you're not going to get a better goaltender than Hutchinson for "minor consideration". And what happens after we get that goaltender and Mrazek is healthy? Throw the newly acquired back up back to the minors, and now we have 4 goaltenders in the AHL. It doesn't make any sense. All this for 3-4 NHL starts.

If Hutchinson is not seen as an option anymore, then you have someone like Woll or Kallgren to call-up and play. If they all suck major butts, we know it's temporary. We'll survive a few games with bad goaltending... we did before.
 
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I don't know why we do. This isn't a season long thing here. It's 4 weeks (now 3 weeks). Spending assets on 3rd or 4th stringers just because your back-up is injured is a waste of assets and you're not going to get a better goaltender than Hutchinson for "minor consideration". And what happens after we get that goaltender and Mrazek is healthy? Throw the newly acquired back up back to the minors, and now we have 4 goaltenders in the AHL. It doesn't make any sense. All this for 3-4 NHL starts.

If Hutchinson is not seen as an option anymore, than you have someone like Woll or Kallgren to call-up and play. If they all suck major butts, we know it's temporary. We'll survive a few games with bad goaltending... we did before.
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Well, a few things here. First, the question is how many games can we afford to throw away by starting Woll or Hutch, which I guess depends on how competitive you think this division will be (I think very competitive, and a couple of extra wins will matter in the end).

Secondly, when Mrazek is healthy (3 weeks are projected but not guaranteed given that it's a less predictable groin injury), we would send this goalie to the farm and cut Hutch. Not even a problem worth worrying about.

Note that given that both Mrazek and Campbell have injury history, it's also a good bet that one of them will be forced to miss more time at some point, which means more starts for Hutch/Woll, and likely more losses.

Again, it comes down to the nature of the considerations we'd have to give up - I certainly wouldn't part with anything significant, but it's worth exploring what's out there.

Note that this proposal is hardly outlandish - and is, in fact, in line with what Dubas was thinking last year when he picked up Riitich.
 
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Well, a few things here. First, the question is how many games can we afford to throw away by starting Woll or Hutch, which I guess depends on how competitive you think this division will be (I think very competitive, and a couple of extra wins will matter in the end).

Secondly, when Mrazek is healthy (3 weeks are projected but not guaranteed given that it's a less predictable groin injury), we would send this goalie to the farm and cut Hutch. Not even a problem worth worrying about.

Note that given that both Mrazek and Campbell have injury history, it's also a good bet that one of them will be forced to miss more time at some point, which means more starts for Hutch/Woll, and likely more losses.

Again, it comes down to the nature of the considerations we'd have to give up - I certainly wouldn't part with anything significant, but it's worth exploring what's out there.

Note that this proposal is hardly outlandish - and is, in fact, in line with what Dubas was thinking last year when he picked up Riitich.
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It's not really about throwing away games but you also need to give a chance to the players you have. I understand Hutchinson isn't a great option but for the odd game, he's fine and showed that over his career. Woll and Kallgren might not be great options but they are capable of playing and winning hockey games. Just look at Zachary Fucale last night. His first NHL game at 26 years old and gets a shutout. He doesn't exactly have a great resume in the AHL either and spent many years in the ECHL. A top team like Washington didn't go out and grab a goaltender just because their back-up was injured.

The difference between this year and last year is that last year we had cap space and a taxi squad. Andersen was injured long-term as well.

If Mrazek is injured for the season and none of the current depth options are actual options because they are awful, then sure. We would have the cap and roster space to fit a back-up then.
 
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It's not really about throwing away games but you also need to give a chance to the players you have. I understand Hutchinson isn't a great option but for the odd game, he's fine and showed that over his career. Woll and Kallgren might not be great options but they are capable of playing and winning hockey games. Just look at Zachary Fucale last night. His first NHL game at 26 years old and gets a shutout. He doesn't exactly have a great resume in the AHL either and spent many years in the ECHL. A top team like Washington didn't go out and grab a goaltender just because their back-up was out.

The difference between this year and last year is that last year we had cap space and a taxi squad. Andersen was injured long-term as well.

If Mrazek is injured for the season and none of the current depth options are actual options because they are awful, then sure. We'd would have the cap and roster space to fit a back-up then.
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The bigger concern for me is that this trend of playing a game, being out for a few weeks, playing another, being out again continues all season.
Kind of puts them in the position where they are going to need to rely on Hutchinson which IMO, is a terrible idea.
 
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ACC1224 said:
The bigger concern for me is that this trend of playing a game, being out for a few weeks, playing another, being out again continues all season.
Kind of puts them in the position where they are going to need to rely on Hutchinson which IMO, is a terrible idea.
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I mean yeah... One of your players getting injured for awhile is less than ideal.

They will be relying on Woll for the time being, so Hutchinson isn't going to be relied upon anytime soon. Kallgren will probably get a shot as well and he's been pretty good for the Marlies.

If you want a big goaltending upgrade in the #3 spot, you're not going find that for peanuts. If you go around the league, you'll find that most #3 goaltenders are not exactly great for a reason.
 
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I mean yeah... One of your players getting injured for awhile is less than ideal.

They will be relying on Woll for the time being, so Hutchinson isn't going to be relied upon anytime soon. Kallgren will probably get a shot as well and he's been pretty good for the Marlies.

If you want a big goaltending upgrade in the #3 spot, you're not going find that for peanuts. If you go around the league, you'll find that most #3 goaltenders are not exactly great for a reason.
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Hopefully Woll delivers. Any idea why he's up and not Hutchinson?
 
For the record Keefe specifically would not say who is starting tomorrow.
 
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Hopefully Woll delivers. Any idea why he's up and not Hutchinson?
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Waivers is a big one, but also I think it's a good excuse to test him. It's a make or break season for Woll. He's been wildly inconsistent as a pro. Hutchinson is pretty meh and we know what to expect from him.
 
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zeke said:
For the record Keefe specifically would not say who is starting tomorrow.
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Hutchinson is on the road trip with the Marlies and will play for them apparently. Unless they change from that, sounds like Woll will play tomorrow unless they plan on playing Campbell in a back to back.
 
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Hutchinson is on the road trip with the Marlies and will play for them apparently. Unless they change from that, sounds like Woll will play tomorrow unless they plan on playing Campbell in a back to back.
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It's not really about throwing away games but you also need to give a chance to the players you have. I understand Hutchinson isn't a great option but for the odd game, he's fine and showed that over his career. Woll and Kallgren might not be great options but they are capable of playing and winning hockey games. Just look at Zachary Fucale last night. His first NHL game at 26 years old and gets a shutout. He doesn't exactly have a great resume in the AHL either and spent many years in the ECHL. A top team like Washington didn't go out and grab a goaltender just because their back-up was injured.

The difference between this year and last year is that last year we had cap space and a taxi squad. Andersen was injured long-term as well.

If Mrazek is injured for the season and none of the current depth options are actual options because they are awful, then sure. We would have the cap and roster space to fit a back-up then.
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I think Hutchinson was the reason that we lost the one game he started this year, so I'm definitely concerned about us bleeding more points this way.

I haven't seen Woll - if you think he can be competent, I hope you're right, but his AHL stats don't fill me with confidence at all.
 
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I'd be watching who is up on waivers today... might be a handshake deal here.. borrow a goalie for a couple of games...
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The claim wouldn't go through until tomorrow at 2 PM EST, assuming there is a goaltender that goes on waivers today. That seems really weird to hinge your starter on a claim a few hours before game time without a practice or even gear setup when you have goaltenders already at your disposal.

This isn't even mentioning the VISA and other potential border issues if it's a claim from a US team.
 
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Kurtz said:
Well, a few things here. First, the question is how many games can we afford to throw away by starting Woll or Hutch, which I guess depends on how competitive you think this division will be (I think very competitive, and a couple of extra wins will matter in the end).

Secondly, when Mrazek is healthy (3 weeks are projected but not guaranteed given that it's a less predictable groin injury), we would send this goalie to the farm and cut Hutch. Not even a problem worth worrying about.

Note that given that both Mrazek and Campbell have injury history, it's also a good bet that one of them will be forced to miss more time at some point, which means more starts for Hutch/Woll, and likely more losses.

Again, it comes down to the nature of the considerations we'd have to give up - I certainly wouldn't part with anything significant, but it's worth exploring what's out there.

Note that this proposal is hardly outlandish - and is, in fact, in line with what Dubas was thinking last year when he picked up Riitich.
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Good teams can cover up for poor goaltenders, even Zamboni drivers.

If this team is for real, they can manage it.
 
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You would think eventually Toronto will be able to draft another goaltender.
Been how many drafts since Rask?
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Reimer's a pretty good NHL goalie. In the 9 drafts between drafting Reimer and Woll, we only drafted 3 goalies, and all were 6th round or later.
 
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Just start Woll. If not, don't bother drafting goalies if you aren't going to give them a shot. It can't be one or the other. We need to develop goalies but we are too afraid to start them, so let's throw a pick at some aging nobody. So which is it, you can't want to develop a goalie yet not want to give them a shot.
 
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Kurtz said:
We just need a goalie better than Hutch to tide us over for the next month while Mrazek's injured. Like 5 starts. Surely there's a team out there with a vet goalie in their minor system who is blocking a young prospect who we should be able to get for minor considerations?
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You mean a Hutchinson?
 
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Just start Woll. If not, don't bother drafting goalies if you aren't going to give them a shot. It can't be one or the other. We need to develop goalies but we are too afraid to start them, so let's throw a pick at some aging nobody. So which is it, you can't want to develop a goalie yet not want to give them a shot.
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Yeah, I don't see why they wouldn't give him a shot.

Calgary played last night and you have a rested Leafs team. That generally is never a great pre-cursor, but I'm with you on that. We know what we'll get from Hutchinson at this point in his career. We have no idea about Woll.
 
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