GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

[SeaOfBlue]

Kampf gets 1.8% of his starts in the o zone (lowest in the league)
Kase gets 2.4% (T2nd lowest)

those stats INCLUDE dmen

what the heck do people expect, they are quite literally playing the hardest minutes in hockey. They are both playing excellent so far, especially Kase. If they were producing in those minutes they would be the easiest lock for a Selke trophy ever. Like this qualm doesn’t even make any sense, theyre even > 50% in Corsi while doing it.

People want a shutdown line, we get one, they hate it. People want cap friendly d depth, we get it, they hate it (Holl, Dermott are good in their roles guys). People really want physical players, we get them, they HATE that them (Ritchie, Simmonds, Bunting).

It’s ridiculous.

And then they regret losing guys that they wanted gone for the longest time (Johnsson).

 

[hockeynorth]

And then they regret losing guys that they wanted gone for the longest time (Johnsson).

Johnsson, JVR, Moore, Kapanen, Kadri, Andersen

people like to forget REAL fast

 

[LeafChief]

The Engvall - Kampf - Kase line has 1 ES GA, a 55.3 SF% and 54.2 CF% playing some of the toughest minutes in the league. Sample of > 100 minutes played.

They are literally the best shutdown line in the league right now.

There are people that will complain about absolutely everything.

 

[hockeynorth]

Our weak links so far have been Holl and Engvall that’s it IMO

Do we need more compete? Sure, that always helps, but no one is playing below expected

 

[nuck]

The Engvall - Kampf - Kase line has 1 ES GA, a 55.3 SF% and 54.2 CF% playing some of the toughest minutes in the league. Sample of > 100 minutes played.

They are literally the best shutdown line in the league right now.

But how can he have 1 ES ga and be a -4 with a goal scored? Not a dig I just don't get the math.

 

[The Podium]

But how can he have 1 ES ga and be a -4 with a goal scored? Not a dig I just don't get the math.

As a line, not individually. The minuses mostly came in the Pittsburgh game when Kerfoot was his LW I believe.

Has 1 ES GA in the 8 games since then which came against Detroit

 

[SeaOfBlue]

But how can he have 1 ES ga and be a -4 with a goal scored? Not a dig I just don't get the math.

It was originally a Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase line.

Nick Ritchie was on the ice with them for 5 minutes this year and they had a -1, and I imagine the rest come from other hodge-podge lines that happen when there are changes, etc.

That line, which is the one that has primarily been our 5-on-5 shutdown line this year, has only given up one GA at ES.

 

[SprDaVE]

Our weak links so far have been Holl and Engvall that’s it IMO

Do we need more compete? Sure, that always helps, but no one is playing below expected

The thing is that even if Engvall doesn't score ever again, he's still an efficient PKer and defensive player. He's so annoying in the defensive zone with his huge reach and he's a strong fast skater in transition. For his cap hit, he's far more valuable than Ritchie at this time. He's also probably more valuable than Simmonds but he's a veteran that has played pretty well recently and he's also on a sub 1M cap hit.

Ritchie for his cap hit, he's playing far below expectations. He needs to constantly play like he did tonight and I have some major serious doubts. He needs to get into another gear here.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If we're looking to move Holl/Dermott out and get decent value I wonder if we'd try to add a different type of player to play with Sandin on the bottom pair.

Ilya Lyubushkin and Jani Hakanpaa (provided the Stars keep struggling) would be decent adds.

Both guys are struggling mightily this year but have also had more defensive zone starts than ever on bad teams. If you could end up net positive on assets to use elsewhere and take the $750,000 in cap savings I would be okay rolling this:

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Hakanpaa
Lyubushkin

You still have guys like Menell/Kral if you need a puck mover.

I have lyubushkin as a target as well, I really would like them to take a run at Phil out of Arizona as well. Around the TDL something like kessel and lyubushkin both at 50% for dermott/holl + ritchie ++ (2nd & a prospect)
This lets them spread the skill around and use the KK combo to tilt the ice.
Mix Matthews Marner
Match Tavares Kessel
When Kerfoot Nylander
Needed Kampf Kase

 

[SprDaVE]

If we're looking to move Holl/Dermott out and get decent value I wonder if we'd try to add a different type of player to play with Sandin on the bottom pair.

Ilya Lyubushkin and Jani Hakanpaa (provided the Stars keep struggling) would be decent adds.

Both guys are struggling mightily this year but have also had more defensive zone starts than ever on bad teams. If you could end up net positive on assets to use elsewhere and take the $750,000 in cap savings I would be okay rolling this:

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Hakanpaa
Lyubushkin

You still have guys like Menell/Kral if you need a puck mover.

Lyubushkin seems the perfect target to receive back if the Leafs want to dump some cap with a pick/prospect.

The Coyotes are going obliterate that team in the next few months. They were intended to be awful and they are. I don't think they'd mind a 2M-2.5M cap hit player going into next year in order to flip them again for more picks.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Lyubushkin seems the perfect target to receive back if the Leafs want to dump some cap with a pick/prospect.

The Coyotes are going obliterate that team in the next few months. They were intended to be awful and they are. I don't think they'd mind a 2M-2.5M cap hit player going into next year in order to flip them again for more picks.

I’m starting it now, bring back Phil. This team does need scoring depth. Him & lyubushkin both @ 50% are pretty equal to holl & Ritchie

 

[SprDaVE]

I’m starting it now, bring back Phil. This team does need scoring depth. Him & lyubushkin both @ 50% are pretty equal to holl & Ritchie

Coyotes are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper. They only have 1 more retention slot this season.

Kessel will be traded with retention probably with their last slot, but the price to acquire him will be high to do that I imagine.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Coyotes are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper. They only have 1 more retention slot this season.

Kessel will be traded with retention probably with their last slot, but the price to acquire him will be high to do that I imagine.

I forgot about them retaining on the OEL deal. Well I’m pretty sure the math can work with Lyubushkin not retained, especially later in the season.
Would still love to see it, and I’d be willing to cough up to do it if this team is where they should be come February/March

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Lyubushkin seems the perfect target to receive back if the Leafs want to dump some cap with a pick/prospect.

The Coyotes are going obliterate that team in the next few months. I don't think they'd mind a 2M-2.5M cap hit player going into next year in order to flip them again.

Seems more like a TDL move.

I don't think the Leafs are in the market to pay big for a 7th defenseman. I think they either want one back in a Holl/Dermott trade, or will move a guy like Engvall for one since Engvall could be on the outside looking in himself once Mikheyev comes back.

I also doubt Toronto is on Kessel's 8 team trade list. He hates our media.

Maybe there is a deal with Ritchie + prospect + pick for Larsson + Lyubushkin without retention at the TDL. Won't cost us much in terms of futures, they get something out of some low value UFA's without having to retain, and they get another wild card in Ritchie which may turn into more value next year.

Depends what we do before then. We may not need either of them.

 

[meefer]

Congrats to the team on their win tonight. These trades were concocted just for fun, but I'm curious how people view them. I was just trying to create a more balanced team. Fire away

To Arizona:
Matthews, Muzzin Ritchie
To Toronto:
Chychrun, Crouse, Zona's 1st in '22, their 1st in '23, 2 2nds '22

To San Jose:
Marner, Mrazek, 2nd in 22 (better of the two from the Matthews trade), 2nd in 23,
To Toronto:
Hertl, Meier, Reimer

To Vancouver:
Robertson, Arizona's 1st (1st OA? Wright?) 3rd in '23
To Toronto:
Miller, Horvat

To Dallas:
Kerfoot, Holl, Arizona's 1st in '23
To Toronto:
Klingberg

Toronto's line-up

Miller Tavares Nylander
Bunting Hertl Meier
Crouse Horvat Spezza
Mikheyev/Engvall Kamph Kase/Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun Klingberg
Sandin Liljegren
Dermott

Campbell
Reimer

Cap hit: 76.5M this year

FA next year: Hertl, Klingberg, Campbell, Mikheyev, Spezza, Semyanov
RFA next year: Kase, Engvall, Crouse, Sandin, Liljegren

 

[Leaffan1991]

I don't know if Montreal would trade with us but Ben chiarot would be a decent target for the top 4. He can play both sides so that makes it easier, and he's an asshole to play against.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I don't know if Montreal would trade with us but Ben chiarot would be a decent target for the top 4. He can play both sides so that makes it easier, and he's an asshole to play against.

Berg would never do it, but he should really consider moving Petry as well. He's their best trade chip by a mile and they'll be bad for the mext few seasons anyways.

 

[Legion34]

Berg would never do it, but he should really consider moving Petry as well. He's their best trade chip by a mile and they'll be bad for the mext few seasons anyways.

they traded us plekanec. He was way more of a hab legend then Ben chia rot

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

they traded us plekanec. He was way more of a hab legend then Ben chia rot

Oh he may consider trading us Chairot because he's a UFA.

I meant that he wouldn't move Petry even though the smart play would be to try and maximize your value on him. Selling an elite shutdown defensemen that can also score with 3 years left on the deal could really kickstart a retool for the Habs.

 

[Legion34]

Oh he may consider trading us Chairot because he's a UFA.

I meant that he wouldn't move Petry even though the smart play would be to try and maximize your value on him. Selling an elite shutdown defensemen that can also score with 3 years left on the deal could really kickstart a retool for the Habs.

Yep fair enough. We wouldn’t get petry. No chance.

 

[showtime8]

Berg would never do it, but he should really consider moving Petry as well. He's their best trade chip by a mile and they'll be bad for the mext few seasons anyways.

I'd love to get Petry, but the only way you can make that deal is if you're moving Muzzin.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I'd love to get Petry, but the only way you can make that deal is if you're moving Muzzin.

You could move Mrazek for a cheaper backup (still on the Stolarz train), and dump Ritchie/Holl and make it work if you bridge Liljegren/Sandin until the Muzzin/Brodie deals are done.

If Montreal was willing to retain salary they could really maximize on his value. Price would be crazy but I would probably give any prospect not on this roster (Niemela would be tough) or pick to make it happen.

 

[zeke]

I'd love to get Petry, but the only way you can make that deal is if you're moving Muzzin.

Petry has been a disaster this year now that he no longer has Weber sheltering him from the tough matchups.

He also is already older now than Muzzin will be at the END of Muzzin's contract, and is getting paid more than Muzzin all the way to age 37.

 

[zeke]

I don't know if Montreal would trade with us but Ben chiarot would be a decent target for the top 4. He can play both sides so that makes it easier, and he's an asshole to play against.

Ben Chiarot is awful.

 

[Fogelhund]

Ben Chiarot is awful.

Please explain why you say this.