GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

[SprDaVE]

If Mrazek is out long term I wonder if Dallas would move Jake Oettinger.

He played well for them last year and is playing great in the AHL but they have Knudobin/Holtby/Bishop as well.

If they signed Holtby to take his spot they probably weren't that high on him to begin with so the cost should ve fairly low.

Either that or flip Hutch and a lower level prospect for Stolarz.

He won't be out long-term.

But even if he was, that's why we have Hutchinson, Woll and Kallgren. Give them a shot. Stop spending assets or wasting time on 3rd stringer acquisitions when we already have a bunch of options.

I do think Oettinger is really good but doubt he's moved for next to nothing.

 

[Mickey Marner]

If we're not trading away Holl and/or Ritchie to upgrade our roster externally via trade, I think we should wait until the deadline to sell. Depth RD and power wingers with 1.25 years remaining at reasonably cheap cap hits should each net a mid-to-late 2nd at the trade deadline.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If Mrazek is out long term I wonder if Dallas would move Jake Oettinger.

He played well for them last year and is playing great in the AHL but they have Knudobin/Holtby/Bishop as well.

If they signed Holtby to take his spot they probably weren't that high on him to begin with so the cost should ve fairly low.

Either that or flip Hutch and a lower level prospect for Stolarz.

Oettinger seems like a huge commitment for an injury. That is a 1st round prospect who has performed quite well and has just turned 23.

I think the Leafs are going to roll with Hutch and maybe even try out Kallgren or Woll before they look at external options.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Maybe just pick(s) and recall Mennell?

It’s early in the year, and there’s 6 guys who need to play every day so a Biega or a Mennell can come up and skate with the team every day and be ready to fill in if need be.
If an issue arises due to serious injury then you address it then, but parking Holl in the press box until that happens isn’t good for anyone.

 

[Menzinger]

There's definitely been enough smoke from credible media guys that a trade could be happening sometimes soon.

Also fits management s past behavior of not liking to keep NHL caliber guys long term in the press box

 

[LeafChief]

The 2nd intermission should shed some light on what's going on with these potential trades.

 

[LaPlante94]

LA might be a good fit for Holl. Doughty down for a while and Walker on IR now

 

[Kiwi]

There's definitely been enough smoke from credible media guys that a trade could be happening sometimes soon.

Also fits management s past behavior of not liking to keep NHL caliber guys long term in the press box

Depends on the ask I'd imagine

If it's just picks I'd have thought it would be done by now but if it's picks + cheap depth defenseman it may take some time to find the right partner

 

[nuck]

Why wouldn’t they waive ritchie if he’s the worse option

Worse looking bad for waiving a guy that hasn’t performed or playing a guy that doesn’t perform and the team suffers in the ice
Players need to be accountable for their play, they don’t perform bye…I think that’s a much stronger message/image

Ritchie produces at a 30-40pt rate well under 15:00 TOI. If he used right he will produce. Thats up to Keefe to figure out and if he doesn't fit in he should be dealt rather than waived

 

[ryno23]

2017 called and wants your spicy take back. Manson sucks.

Manson is better than Holl in 2017,18,19,20,21. Put Manson on a good team with a vet like Muzzin

 

[LeafChief]

Manson is better than Holl in 2017,18,19,20,21. Put Manson on a good team with a vet like Muzzin

The difference is Manson gets paid to be the Muzzin on his pair. And he hasn't been doing that.

 

[ryno23]

lets pass the puck into the net on this PP

 

[123offtheglass]

Could definitely see LA or Columbus as a suitors for Holl

 

[123offtheglass]

LA might be a good fit for Holl. Doughty down for a while and Walker on IR now

Pretty sure Walker is out for the season

 

[Havoc]

The difference is Manson gets paid to be the Muzzin on his pair. And he hasn't been doing that.

Good news at least is if we wait long enough he'll be roughly the same cap hit as Holl. Muzzin-Manson will be like when Holl is actually good for his annual 10 game stretch.

 

[LeafChief]

Crazy that Kylington was on waivers last year.

 

[FSL KINGS]

LA might be a good fit for Holl. Doughty down for a while and Walker on IR now

Was thinking the same. Kings have 4 forwards out right now too so not many extra forwards either.

Good luck on Monday!

 

[I am Canadian]

Pre-emptively looking at re-signing Campbell. I think the Ulmark contract is a reasonable comparison 5M x 4. I don't know how much Liljgegren or Sandin would be making on their contract but it would seem do-able if we deal Kerfoot & then one more of Holl or Ritchie to replace with 2x minimum contract players.

 

[SprDaVE]

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Pre-emptively looking at re-signing Campbell. I think the Ulmark contract is a reasonable comparison 5M x 4. I don't know how much Liljgegren or Sandin would be making on their contract but it would seem do-able if we deal Kerfoot & then one more of Holl or Ritchie to replace with 2x minimum contract players.

Pretty reasonable. The free agent market next off-season is really bad so it's possible keeping Holl or Ritchie is in the cards... but probably not. I don't think the plan is to go with a 20 player roster.

I suspect there's going to be a bit of a shuffle there and likely some young players going for it.

 

[Kiwi]

Pretty reasonable. The free agent market next off-season is really bad so it's possible keeping Holl or Ritchie is in the cards... but probably not. I don't think the plan is to go with a 20 player roster.

I suspect there's going to be a bit of a shuffle there and likely some young players going for it.

Keep an eye on Niemela, Kral and Steeves for next season
I wouldn't be surprised if they were close to ready, Steeves may be ready in the back half of this season if his AHL play continues

Also when I look at that roster and get to Ritchie and Mrazek I see a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere

Also if Liljegren and Sandin keep this up they may make one of Muzzin or Brodie expendable like they have already done to Holl

 

[SeaOfBlue]

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Pre-emptively looking at re-signing Campbell. I think the Ulmark contract is a reasonable comparison 5M x 4. I don't know how much Liljgegren or Sandin would be making on their contract but it would seem do-able if we deal Kerfoot & then one more of Holl or Ritchie to replace with 2x minimum contract players.

Swap Holl and Dermott and that is enough cap for us to afford at least one extra guy. I have a feeling Mikheyev can get more than 2 mill on the open market if he has even a decent return from injury, and at that point the Leafs likely let him go.

I sincerely doubt Campbell is worth 5 mill though. While Ullmark is, in theory, a strong comparable if Campbell has a really strong season, Campbell is also 2 years older (at time of signing) and has less overall experience than Ullmark which will bring down the price.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Ritchie - Tavares - Marner
??? - Kampf - ???
Simmonds - Spezza - Anderson

Rielly-Liljegren
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Dermott
???

Campbell-Mrazek

Not too much turnover if we are content with keeping the same squad. Pretty much just need a new 3rd line again, and if Kase + Engvall only get slight raises, it will pretty much be the same team we have right now except with Anderson, or some other cheap Marlie/bargain bin guy, instead of Kerfoot.

Otherwise, we just need a couple of really good insurance policies for Spezza and Simmonds on the Marlies.

 

[Legion34]

Was thinking the same. Kings have 4 forwards out right now too so not many extra forwards either.

Good luck on Monday!

who would be available for holl just curious

 

[Kiwi]

Swap Holl and Dermott and that is enough cap for us to afford at least one extra guy. I have a feeling Mikheyev can get more than 2 mill on the open market if he has even a decent return from injury, and at that point the Leafs likely let him go.

I sincerely doubt Campbell is worth 5 mill though. While Ullmark is, in theory, a strong comparable if Campbell has a really strong season, Campbell is also 2 years older (at time of signing) and has less overall experience than Ullmark which will bring down the price.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Ritchie - Tavares - Marner
??? - Kampf - ???
Simmonds - Spezza - Anderson

Rielly-Liljegren
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Dermott
???

Campbell-Mrazek

Not too much turnover if we are content with keeping the same squad. Pretty much just need a new 3rd line again, and if Kase + Engvall only get slight raises, it will pretty much be the same team we have right now except with Anderson, or some other cheap Marlie/bargain bin guy, instead of Kerfoot.

Otherwise, we just need a couple of really good insurance policies for Spezza and Simmonds on the Marlies.

Why does everybody seem to have such a crush on Ritchie and Mrazek? those are by far the two worst contracts on the team that should be the first that should go

Then start talking to me about Kerfoot and his cap implications

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Why does everybody seem to have such a crush on Ritchie and Mrazek? those are by far the two worst contracts on the team that should be the first that should go

Then start talking to me about Kerfoot and his cap implications

Can we move them? I doubt we are attaching assets to dump them, and while I have faith in both bouncing back, there would be a lot less of a market for them.

There will be a market for Kerfoot if he is made available, and moving him (and Holl) should open up enough space to get everything done for us next year. The Leafs will probably not want to give up on Mrazek after one year, and we would need to find another 1B since Woll/Kallgren/Scott are not ready to step into that role next year. The UFA market is not great for those kind of guys this year.

We may move Ritchie if the right deal comes along in the offseason and we like some cheaper alternatives, but since moving Ritchie alone may not even open up enough cap space to get everyone signed, it will more likely have to do with finding a better fit than cap implications.

 

[Kiwi]

Can we move them? I doubt we are attaching assets to dump them, and while I have faith in both bouncing back, there would be a lot less of a market for them.

There will be a market for Kerfoot if he is made available, and moving him (and Holl) should open up enough space to get everything done for us next year. The Leafs will probably not want to give up on Mrazek after one year, and we would need to find another 1B since Woll/Kallgren/Scott are not ready to step into that role next year. The UFA market is not great for those kind of guys this year.

We may move Ritchie if the right deal comes along in the offseason and we like some cheaper alternatives, but since moving Ritchie alone may not even open up enough cap space to get everyone signed, it will more likely have to do with finding a better fit than cap implications.

I have no faith in either of them, Ritchie doesn't score enough and he never has and Mrazek has always been injury prone
What an amazing turn of events they are still exactly that

So let's just get this straight, we move Kerfoot who's currently playing very well in our top 6 and fairly paid and can cover center in case of injury because our GM screwed up so badly we have 6M in bad contracts we cant move without assets attached to them and desperately need the cap space to fit Rielly and Campbell?

**** me, if this is correct the ineptitude is something else