GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Kiwi]

Holl and Engvall to the Kings for Moore and a 2nd

What are we trading Engvall for? The 3rd line works and he's on it

As for Mikheyev, I'm not trading guys that are playing well to make room for him

Be better than your competition and earn your place

 

[ACC1224]

What are we trading Engvall for? The 3rd line works and he's on it

As for Mikheyev, I'm not trading guys that are playing well to make room for him

Be better than your competition and earn your place

Isn't the thought that they have to trade someone for cap room for Mikheyev?

 

[stickty111]

We don't know on Menell, but Biega yeah. Forgotten man but honestly he was was a fine insurance policy to be the day 1 6-7 if the kids weren't ready.

Barometer on a Holl trade is Hallander and a 7th

I think some posters may be surprised that Holl isn't useless and can actually fetch something in a trade.

I am expecting back a 6th/7th level depth D making 1 million or less with a 3rd round pick.

Something like this would solve the cap issues for when Mikheyev comes back and allow the Leafs to carry 7 defenders and 13 forwards.

Reason why I make that trade is because once Mikheyev comes back, he replaces Engvall on that line. Moore rotates on the 4th line with Simmonds/Ritchie. And if possible, use the 2nd + Ritchie to upgrade the defense.

2nd and Ritchie to Nashville for Myers

Regarding Holl, Kypreos said: but I did speak to another team today, and they said, "We're interested. We just don't have a D to give back."

Kypreos isn't very reliable but if that's true it sound like they might be looking for an alternative defenseman.

I definitely think a huge part of this though is their staff realizing Liljegren is now a regular in their top six & they want to keep opportunity open for him; they can't just rotate him in & out to keep other guys happy.

Mikheyev will be back too so there is that cap aspect, they'll trade or lose someone.

Kypreos sounds so unintelligent when he speaks.

If the Leafs are trading Holl, it's likely for a lesser RHD (making 1 million or less) + an asset (prospect or pick).

Kypreos and Bourne are too dumb to realize that the D-man coming back would be an adequate NHLer that can sub in and out with Sandin/Liljegre/Dermott if needed while clearing 1 million off the cap to get Mikheyev back in while also recovering another asset.

It isn't rocket science. It's incredible that these people get paid to talk hockey.

CJ also mentioned in his hit that Leafs are probably wanting back a draft pick or a young player. I'm with you guys it doesn't make sense to get a d man back unless it's at a low cap. As mentioned, one of the goals is to get flexibility by trading any of the two, so adding a d man with a similar cap hit makes 0 sense.

I think people will be surprised at the return Holl could get. A player who can play in the top 4 at his best with a good low contract will get something decent. While he got propped up by Muzzin, some team might think Holl is good enough to be play on the top 4.

 

[Avilaj07]

What are we trading Engvall for? The 3rd line works and he's on it

As for Mikheyev, I'm not trading guys that are playing well to make room for him

Be better than your competition and earn your place

Engvall has been playing well? Sure the third line has been playing ok but let's be honest, it's a black hole offensively. Replacing Engvall with Mikheyev does nothing but make that 3rd line better, not to mention gives us a little wiggle room with the cap.

 

[The Podium]

Engvall has been playing well? Sure the third line has been playing ok but let's be honest, it's a black hole offensively. Replacing Engvall with Mikheyev does nothing but make that 3rd line better, not to mention gives us a little wiggle room with the cap.

They start nearly 90% in the D zone…

 

[SprDaVE]

Engvall has been playing well? Sure the third line has been playing ok but let's be honest, it's a black hole offensively. Replacing Engvall with Mikheyev does nothing but make that 3rd line better, not to mention gives us a little wiggle room with the cap.

He hasn't been bad either for his cap hit and efficiency. The guy kills penalties, and he's very good at it, and does have a role . He'll bust out a game where he looks amazing once in awhile. He's not great, he's not amazing most games... but he's a fine player. Not everyone has to be a 20 goal scorer. You're not going to get much better at 1.25M than what Engvall brings. Mikheyev is definitely better... but Engvall has a place on the 4th line or as depth.

I don't know why there is always so much angst against Engvall around here. I love Trevor Moore but the guy also has 0 points this season.

 

[Leafs1991]

Really frustrating if they are looking to move out Holl, when they got McCann in and lost him for nothing (well less than nothing, paid Hallander + pick) and now trying to move Holl?

Reminds me a bit of when Kulemin was signed to a big deal, then later had his contract terminated.

I'n a Dubas fan, but not a great move. Didn't feel like it was at the time, even less so now.

Did you personally think Liljegren would make it full time though?

Thats the only reason Holl and Dermott are being shopped now. Hindsight is 20/20 but without that knowledge it's hard to make a trade with the expectation one of your prospects makes it full-time.

 

[Avilaj07]

He hasn't been bad either for his cap hit and efficiency. The guy kills penalties, and he's very good at it, and does have a role . He'll bust out a game where he looks amazing once in awhile. He's not great, he's not amazing most games... but he's a fine player. Not everyone has to be a 20 goal scorer. You're not going to get much better at 1.25M than what Engvall brings. Mikheyev is definitely better... but Engvall has a place on the 4th line or as depth.

I don't know why there is always so much angst against Engvall around here. I love Trevor Moore but the guy also has 0 points this season.

I never said Engvall was a useless player. I don't mind him at all but with a salary cap crunch and with Mikheyev coming back, Engvall unfortunately becomes the odd man out. Ritchie isn't going anywhere and neither is Simmonds

 

[SprDaVE]

I never said Engvall was a useless player. I don't mind him at all but with a salary cap crunch and with Mikheyev coming back, Engvall unfortunately becomes the odd man out. Ritchie isn't going anywhere and neither is Simmonds

Fair enough. I think Ritchie is the most useless player we've had in a long time but trading him will be hard for sure.

 

[VanW27]

Isn't the thought that they have to trade someone for cap room for Mikheyev?

They don’t “need” to trade someone to fit Mikheyev, but they would have to drop someone from the roster and they only have 2 waiver exempt players, Sandin and Lily. So it’s either 1 of them or waive Engvall who would almost certainly be claimed. Neither option is great.

Maybe you could waive Ritchie, if he’s claimed it clears 2.5 off the cap, if not you have him available in the minors and gives you enough space for Mikheyev. But that could look bad to waive a guy you just signed for 2x2.5 so I doubt the Leafs would do that.

 

[Avilaj07]

They don’t “need” to trade someone to fit Mikheyev, but they would have to drop someone from the roster and they only have 2 waiver exempt players, Sandin and Lily. So it’s either 1 of them or waive Engvall who would almost certainly be claimed. Neither option is great.

Maybe you could waive Ritchie, if he’s claimed it clears 2.5 off the cap, if not you have him available in the minors and gives you enough space for Mikheyev. But that could look bad to waive a guy you just signed for 2x2.5 so I doubt the Leafs would do that.

This is exactly my reasoning for moving Engvall. When Mikheyev is back, he's the odd man out. You're not sending Sandin or Lily down which means you're placing Engvall on waivers which he most definitely would get claimed. I can't see them putting Ritchie on waivers, and definitely not Simmonds. I'd rather try to recoup a draft pick or a prospect for Engvall then lose him for nothing. It sucks because I'd much rather Engvall then Ritchie.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I never said Engvall was a useless player. I don't mind him at all but with a salary cap crunch and with Mikheyev coming back, Engvall unfortunately becomes the odd man out. Ritchie isn't going anywhere and neither is Simmonds

Moore has a higher cap hit than Engvall though.

Trading Engvall for a pick makes sense, but our problem right now is that, once Mikheyev is back, we have 13 guys and only 12 spots. Swapping Moore and Engvall does nothing to fix that problem, and adds 600k+ more cap.

The other issue is when do we give Semyonov a chance? He is ready for one, and will be given one at some point (or we will trade him). If Engvall/Simmonds are there as the 13th forward, I don't know when Semyonov gets that chance.

 

[Kiwi]

Isn't the thought that they have to trade someone for cap room for Mikheyev?

I'm pretty sure that's why we're trying to move Holl or Dermott right now

I don't think Mikheyev has been so good he's an automatic keep either

Engvall has been playing well? Sure the third line has been playing ok but let's be honest, it's a black hole offensively. Replacing Engvall with Mikheyev does nothing but make that 3rd line better, not to mention gives us a little wiggle room with the cap.

They start in the defensive zone 90% of the time, they do that so Tavares and Matthews don't have to

So I'm willing to forgive the lack of offense


Mikheyev is going to make it better offensively Is he? What are we basing that on? His non existent finishing ability?

 

[aingefan]

I'm pretty sure that's why we're trying to move Holl or Dermott right now

I don't think Mikheyev has been so good he's an automatic keep either



They start in the defensive zone 90% of the time, they do that so Tavares and Matthews don't have to

So I'm willing to forgive the lack of offense


Mikheyev is going to make it better offensively Is he? What are we basing that on? His non existent finishing ability?

That third lines been like a bulldozer. just pushing the puck up ice.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's incredible that these people get paid to talk hockey.

What's more incredible, is people watch.

 

[Fogelhund]

Mikheyev is going to make it better offensively Is he? What are we basing that on? His non existent finishing ability?

It really depends on which Mikheyev we get, pre or post wrist injury... Pre Mik, and he's better than Engvall... which isn't saying a lot... I like them both, but they aren't exactly offensive threats.

 

[Legion34]

You can fit him soup in if you trade or waive engvall

 

[Kiwi]

It really depends on which Mikheyev we get, pre or post wrist injury... Pre Mik, and he's better than Engvall... which isn't saying a lot... I like them both, but they aren't exactly offensive threats.

I think Engvall and Mikheyev are basically the same player since Mikheyev got the wtist injury

Good defensive players that won't do much offensively but they are useful when your putting a lineup together

 

[Dragao6]

They don’t “need” to trade someone to fit Mikheyev, but they would have to drop someone from the roster and they only have 2 waiver exempt players, Sandin and Lily. So it’s either 1 of them or waive Engvall who would almost certainly be claimed. Neither option is great.

Maybe you could waive Ritchie, if he’s claimed it clears 2.5 off the cap, if not you have him available in the minors and gives you enough space for Mikheyev. But that could look bad to waive a guy you just signed for 2x2.5 so I doubt the Leafs would do that.

Why wouldn’t they waive ritchie if he’s the worse option

Worse looking bad for waiving a guy that hasn’t performed or playing a guy that doesn’t perform and the team suffers in the ice
Players need to be accountable for their play, they don’t perform bye…I think that’s a much stronger message/image

 

[ryno23]

Reunite Ritchie in ANA along with Holl for Manson. Dubas would be a magician if ANA would do this.

 

[Legion34]

CJ also mentioned in his hit that Leafs are probably wanting back a draft pick or a young player. I'm with you guys it doesn't make sense to get a d man back unless it's at a low cap. As mentioned, one of the goals is to get flexibility by trading any of the two, so adding a d man with a similar cap hit makes 0 sense.

I think people will be surprised at the return Holl could get. A player who can play in the top 4 at his best with a good low contract will get something decent. While he got propped up by Muzzin, some team might think Holl is good enough to be play on the top 4.

Holl for vilardi or kupari. Come on dubas.

 

[VanW27]

Reunite Ritchie in ANA along with Holl for Manson. Dubas would be a magician if ANA would do this.

Can’t see how they fit in Manson’s cap.

Not sure what the deal is with Comtois this year but I’d try to pry him loose. Holl and Comtois are basically a wash cap wise and they are going to need some guys on the back end with the number of UFAs they have.

 

[kb]

Reunite Ritchie in ANA along with Holl for Manson. Dubas would be a magician if ANA would do this.

Getting a shit D? He's done that many times already.

 

[SprDaVE]

CJ did say something was close to happening this week but it obviously trailed off. Maybe Dermotts injury bump put the talks on hold for a little bit.

 

[LeafChief]

Hindsight is 20/20 but letting Holl go to Seattle and keeping McCann + re-signing Hutton at $750k while not signign Ritchie at all would have been a very simple way of improving the team.

Holl played good last year and it made a lot of people believe it was sustainable.