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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

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SprDaVE said:
Ritchie and a conditional 3rd 2023 for Lyubushkin. If Leafs don't re-sign Lyu, it's a 4th. Maybe make it a conditional 2nd 2023 that changes to a 3rd.

Holl for Grundstrom. Simple enough. Keefe knows him well. Big cap savings, gain a cheap 3rd/4th liner for next season. Change Grundstrom with T. Moore maybe, similar results but less cap savings.

Keep Dermott for the season, re-evaluate in the off-season.

You're welcome, Kyle Dubas. It's that easy. :sarcasm:
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Sign me up. Grundstrom for Holl, keeping Dermott and moving Ritchie even though I still think he could be productive once he figures out what he is on this team.
 
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Dreakmur said:
The next wave of players will be ready just as Matthews and Nylander are UFAs?
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Shouldnt be a problem considering they have only Tavares and Reilly as money committed at that point… that’s why I expect it to be a short down year until the next offseason when JT is off the books
 
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dubplatepressure said:
Doesn't the league have a rule against signing and trading UFAs? I thought we couldn't trade until Jan 1 or something. could be wrong though.
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I don't think so? I don't think that rule applies to a UFA signing.

Also, it doesn't have to happen *right now*. Probably in the next 2 or so months.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Go back 2-3 years on this board and see the stuff that was said about Ritchie when he was on Anaheim and it is literally a carbon copy of what has been said about Crouse at the same age.

- Power forward who plays physical.
- Former high draft pick who is struggling to really stand out and get playing time, but has a ton of upside (mostly because of draft position).
- Concerns about skating ability and high end skill to be anything more than complimentary players with skilled guys.
- No real defensive value.

People just like the shiny new toy on the other team, but I will bet that as soon as Crouse gets here, he looks the exact same as Ritchie would, if not worse because Ritchie at least had some kind of sustainable success before getting here. He would be more likely relegated to the role Ritchie is in right now than figuring it out... Ritchie has a much better chance of figuring it out.
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The value of Crouse is that he is an expiring contract and Ritchie isnt.
 
4thline said:
Pft, easier than that. If we're giving up on Ritchie
Ritchie + Holl/Dermott to Nashville for Cousins+Benning+ Pick. Save either 1.5 or 2m on cap, get another feisty versatile type. Ups the pace on that 4th line and gives us another C option. Benning an injury replacement that can give 12-15 minutes no problem.
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I like that a lot but I doubt the Preds would have interest in Ritchie. That's the big problem.

Coyotes would take on Ritchie since they are going to firesale that team and they will need some bodies going into next season. They gain a pick for a depth defenseman but take on salary. I'd even punt them a C prospect to make it happen.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Ritchie and a conditional 3rd 2023 for Lyubushkin. If Leafs don't re-sign Lyu, it's a 4th. Maybe make it a conditional 2nd 2023 that changes to a 3rd.

Holl for Grundstrom. Simple enough. Keefe knows him well. Big cap savings, gain a cheap 3rd/4th liner for next season. Change Grundstrom with T. Moore maybe, similar results but less cap savings.

Keep Dermott for the season, re-evaluate in the off-season.

You're welcome, Kyle Dubas. It's that easy. :sarcasm:
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Even easier would just do Holl for Zboril and a 2nd. We get a young and cheap 7th defenseman to replace Holl and a 2nd. We have enough cap space so we aren't forced to move a forward.

One move and nothing else.
 
SprDaVE said:
I like that a lot but I doubt the Preds would have interest in Ritchie. That's the big problem.

Coyotes would take on Ritchie since they are going to firesale that team and they will need some bodies going into next season. They gain a pick for a depth defenseman but take on salary. I'd even punt them a C prospect to make it happen.
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I don't know, they're 10mil+ below the cap and a bubble team at best. I think worst case is that they don't particularly value him and we lose the pick to pay for Cousins.

Also works on straight Holl for Benning and a pick
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Even easier would just do Holl for Zboril and a 2nd. We get a young and cheap 7th defenseman to replace Holl and a 2nd. We have enough cap space so we aren't forced to move a forward.

One move and nothing else.
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Leafs arent getting a 2nd for Holl lol
 
SprDaVE said:
I like that a lot but I doubt the Preds would have interest in Ritchie. That's the big problem.

Coyotes would take on Ritchie since they are going to firesale that team and they will need some bodies going into next season. They gain a pick for a depth defenseman but take on salary. I'd even punt them a C prospect to make it happen.
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Problem with Ritchie is he makes more next season than his cap hit. Less valuable to a budget team than someone like Kerfoot who is only owed 750k in real dollars.

Ritchie's contract is going to be difficult to move.
 
The Podium said:
Problem with Ritchie is he makes more next season than his cap hit. Less valuable to a budget team than someone like Kerfoot who is only owed 750k in real dollars.

Ritchie's contract is going to be difficult to move.
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Yeah that is true. I'd like to think the Coyotes could afford a simple 3.3M salary, which is only 850k above his cap hit. Not like it's millions difference. It's one more season and they can peddle him off again for another pick probably. A minor investment for their long-term future.

They have to hit the floor somehow too and they have to play some players... they can't just acquire dumps that can't play.
 
hockeynorth said:
Zadorov for a 3rd
Dillon for 2 2nds

both since July, Holl is somewhere between these two guys in ability and cheap cap hit

very easy to find precedent
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Zadorov is a way better defensive player than Holl though. And Dillon is a legit top 4 guy.

Holl is a 6/7 and doesnt really excel at anything.
 
SprDaVE said:
Yeah that is true. I'd like to think the Coyotes could afford a simple 3.3M salary, which is only 850k above his cap hit. Not like it's millions difference. It's one more season and they can peddle him off again for another pick probably. A minor investment for their long-term future.

They have to hit the floor somehow too and they have to play some players... they can't just acquire dumps that can't play.
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I just think theyll have other targets. Buffalo just acquire Boychuck to hit the floor for nothing.
 
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Jozay said:
Zadorov is a way better defensive player than Holl though. And Dillon is a legit top 4 guy.

Holl is a 6/7 and doesnt really excel at anything.
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Zadorov really is not, and hasn't been for a while. He also hasq almost twice the cap hit.

Holl is also a lot better than a 6/7. Maybe Muzzin helps him become a good top 4 guy the past two years, but he is not suddenly a 6/7 without him.

If Holl was a UFA this past year, he would have a cap hit north of 3 mill. Easily. Just look at what Poolman and Ceci received in UFA.

RDs who can PK at a high level and play 20+ minutes at a high level, even if they are carried by their partner, at a 2 mill cap hit with term go for a 2nd+ easily.
 
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Can anybody comment on Alex Nylander? Can he be a reclamation project....particularly working with his bro? He's a LW too.
 
SprDaVE said:
Yeah that is true. I'd like to think the Coyotes could afford a simple 3.3M salary, which is only 850k above his cap hit. Not like it's millions difference. It's one more season and they can peddle him off again for another pick probably. A minor investment for their long-term future.

They have to hit the floor somehow too and they have to play some players... they can't just acquire dumps that can't play.
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I think ARI is so cash strapped that they would care. I also doubt we are giving up on Ritchie this early on. Maybe at the TDL if we get a soft dump deal, but we invested 2.5 mill in him for a reason. They obviously see something in him, and has looked a lot better when his linemates haven't been playing like trash.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
I think ARI is so cash strapped that they would care. I also doubt we are giving up on Ritchie this early on. Maybe at the TDL if we get a soft dump deal, but we invested 2.5 mill in him for a reason. They obviously see something in him, and has looked a lot better when his linemates haven't been playing like trash.
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If the Coyotes can retain 1M of salary for 6+ years, they can probably acquire a 1 year 3.3M player. After their firesale, they will have money to spend. They aren't that cheap or poor... they have to spend money and they will.

Ritchie kind of sucks and he should be dumped as soon as possible. But Im sure the Leafs will give him a chance for a little longer and maybe things change.
 
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Jozay said:
Zadorov is a way better defensive player than Holl though. And Dillon is a legit top 4 guy.

Holl is a 6/7 and doesnt really excel at anything.
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Zadorov is brutal and both are expensive. Holl is a fine 5 who can play up. Look at what dmen go for in FA
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Zadorov really is not, and hasn't been for a while. He also hasq almost twice the cap hit.

Holl is also a lot better than a 6/7. Maybe Muzzin helps him become a good top 4 guy the past two years, but he is not suddenly a 6/7 without him.

If Holl was a UFA this past year, he would have a cap hit north of 3 mill. Easily. Just look at what Poolman and Ceci received in UFA.

RDs who can PK at a high level and play 20+ minutes at a high level, even if they are carried by their partner, at a 2 mill cap hit with term go for a 2nd+ easily.
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Yes he is lol.

This is fron JfreshHockey when the Flames signed him

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Guy clearly can provide some defensive value. Not saying he's good, though.

Maybe the Leafs shouldve moved Holl before he got completely exposed once Muzzin regressed. Id gladly eat crow if Dubas could pull it off.
 
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