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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread

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If this is true what Kyper is saying which is questionable, it might be this reason. As it stands, Liljegren would have to go down when Mikhayev is back. If he keeps playing like this, you can't send him back. Decisions coming for the Leafs soon.
 
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pspot said:
Vgs might need to move cap now...i hope they kick tires on a guy like Carrier , plays a heavy game and can score
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He'd look great in the bottom 6, especially if Ritchie can play his way into the top 6 at some point
 
Dekes For Days said:
Stone makes 9.5m, and he is not a "60 point player". He could easily be moved, but adding Eichel just to lose Stone doesn't make much sense.
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If he's not a 60 point player what is he?

He's never produced more than 64 points in a season. Often due to him repeatedly being injured... yes, last year he had 61 points, in 55 games, yet for a full season, no... just the same as Matthews isn't a 50 goal scorer, as he hasn't had a 50 goal season as of yet.
 
Fogelhund said:
If he's not a 60 point player what is he?

He's never produced more than 64 points in a season. Often due to him repeatedly being injured... yes, last year he had 61 points, in 55 games, yet for a full season, no... just the same as Matthews isn't a 50 goal scorer, as he hasn't had a 50 goal season as of yet.
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I mean he has been around PPG for like the last 4 or 5 seasons. Definitely think calling him a 60 point player isn't fair just like calling Matthews a 70 point player before his contract wasn't fair.
 
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With Ritchie struggling and Strome out of favour in Chicago, I wonder if there is something that could be worked out there.
 
Fogelhund said:
If he's not a 60 point player what is he?
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An elite player, who has paced for more than 60 points in each of the past 7 years, and is over P/GP over his past 257 games since the start of the 2017-2018 season despite disadvantageous usage, while also being an excellent defensive player, the team's captain, and the team's leading scorer since he joined the team. There's little to no chance that Vegas would trade him, and they certainly wouldn't have trouble doing so if, for some crazy reason, they did. They're trying to get better, not worse.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
I mean he has been around PPG for like the last 4 or 5 seasons. Definitely think calling him a 60 point player isn't fair just like calling Matthews a 70 point player before his contract wasn't fair.
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Note, I made an error... he's actually had 73 points in one season, didn't add up Vegas and Ottawa..

That being said, if you are PPG, and have only played over 60 something games, once in the last four years due to injury, and are out with injury now, it's going to impact your production. I can be true that he's a PPG player, and also typically a guy you get 60ish points from. And Matthews was a guy who had only achieved 69 points before his contract.. sure there is more potential, as there is with Stone, but until you achieve something, you aren't that guy. It's like saying... I'm a millionaire... do you have a million bucks, well no, but I'm on pace to...
 
Dekes For Days said:
An elite player, who has paced for more than 60 points in each of the past 7 years, and is over P/GP over his past 257 games since the start of the 2017-2018 season despite disadvantageous usage, while also being an excellent defensive player, the team's captain, and the team's leading scorer since he joined the team. There's little to no chance that Vegas would trade him, and they certainly wouldn't have trouble doing so if, for some crazy reason, they did. They're trying to get better, not worse.
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Yes, he's a PPG player, who due to injuries etc, is also typically a 60 point player. These aren't mutually exclusive events. Being a captain, or good defensively is completely irrelevant.
 
stickty111 said:

If this is true what Kyper is saying which is questionable, it might be this reason. As it stands, Liljegren would have to go down when Mikhayev is back. If he keeps playing like this, you can't send him back. Decisions coming for the Leafs soon.
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Sorry Stickty111. I didn't see you post this. I started a thread.
 
Fogelhund said:
Yes, he's a PPG player, who due to injuries etc, is also typically a 60 point player. These aren't mutually exclusive events. Being a captain, or good defensively is completely irrelevant.
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"60 point player" is a classification that suggests a certain quality of player - capable of 60 points over an 82 game season. This is clearly an extremely inaccurate description of what Stone is, when he's been a PPG+ player over a massive sample, despite disadvantageous usage, while also bringing other valuable qualities. Defensive ability is not irrelevant when discussing the value of a player to a team, and captaincy is not irrelevant when discussing the likelihood of a team trading a player.

Stone is an elite player, and would not be the player that Vegas would look to move if they're looking to be competitive (which the Eichel trade suggests). Vegas would have no trouble trading him at his cap hit if he were to move.

For the record, he played over 94% of his team's games over the previous 3 years (one of which he posted 73 points). You're essentially pretending he's a worse player than he is because Covid contracted the schedule over the past two years.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I doubt the Leafs would sell Dermott for that, nevermind less than that.

Maybe they would sell Holl for that.
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You believe that Dermott would get more than a second? A first, or prospect worth a first? I doubt he's really worth that to be honest. Holl, I'd be thrilled with a second round pick back, again, not sure he's worth it.
 
Dekes For Days said:
"60 point player" is a classification that suggests a certain quality of player - capable of 60 points over an 82 game season. This is clearly an extremely inaccurate description of what Stone is, when he's been a PPG+ player over a massive sample, despite disadvantageous usage, while also bringing other valuable qualities. Defensive ability is not irrelevant when discussing the value of a player to a team, and captaincy is not irrelevant when discussing the likelihood of a team trading a player.

Stone is an elite player, and would not be the player that Vegas would look to move. Vegas would have no trouble trading him at his cap hit if he were to move.

For the record, he played over 94% of his team's games over the previous 3 years (one of which he posted 73 points). You're essentially pretending he's a worse player than he is because Covid contracted the schedule over the past two years.
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To me this is about semantics. You aren't an 80 point producer, until you've produced 80 points. You aren't a 50 goal scorer, until you've scored 50 goals. Those are how I define things. It seems you define things differently, and that's ok.
 
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SprDaVE said:
That's fair. Blue chip seems really pushing it to me but maybe you're right. Watched him a few times this season and was not impressed. Might be unfair though since he's only 20 years old.

The return sucked for Buffalo but I don't blame them. It's not the worst ever. They have solid pieces with it and 1 piece with high potential. It's not the end of the world despite my opinion that the return wasn't very good for them.
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Pretty tough deal to make for both teams with an uncertain medical future.
Could end up boom or bust for both teams.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I doubt the Leafs would sell Dermott for that, nevermind less than that.

Maybe they would sell Holl for that.
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What 6/7 dman is garnering a 2nd round pick? Leafs would be jumping for joy if they could move Holl for a 2nd.

We'll see on Dermott, but I'd be surprised if he could get a 2nd.
 
Fogelhund said:
To me this is about semantics. You aren't an 80 point producer, until you've produced 80 points. You aren't a 50 goal scorer, until you've scored 50 goals. Those are how I define things. It seems you define things differently, and that's ok.
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It's a really misleading way to describe players, especially when the league's last 82-game season was 3 years ago (when Stone put up a decent amount more than "60 points"). Putting aside the unique way you'd like to classify players, the simple fact is that Stone is an elite player, worth his contract, and while Vegas could easily move him, there's no reason to think that he would be the one Vegas would look to move.
 
Jozay said:
What 6/7 dman is garnering a 2nd round pick? Leafs would be jumping for joy if they could move Holl for a 2nd.

We'll see on Dermott, but I'd be surprised if he could get a 2nd.
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Dermott is the one who's a 6/7. Best case scenario they get a 3rd and a depth player
 
I would deal Ritchie for a cheaper alternative.
Solves the cap issues and lets you carry the 7 defenders when Mikheyev is back.

Having Ritchie make 2.5 M on the 4th line is ridiculous.
 
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