GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Training camp approaches

[Leaf Fans]

Don’t be so negative. Dubas has been perfect in every way.

I don't think so. We have to be better. Hopefully, we have the right mix this year. The dubites may believe that, but we can't ignore the reality of our results. Of course, things are not as bad as the Dubie Downers claim.

 

[Dreakmur]

And Trotz is Lous man. The way the Toews situation played out was a Isles front office group effort.

Strange that Trotz is the only reason for the Islanders’ success, yet he was told how to coach.

 

[Menzinger]

Strange that Trotz is the only reason for the Islanders’ success, yet he was told how to coach.

Who said that? The good and bad of the current Isles team can't be attributed to any single person. Lou, Snow and a bunch of others have all influenced things

 

[meefer]

Who said that? The good and bad of the current Isles team can't be attributed to any single person. Lou, Snow and a bunch of others have all influenced things

Just like Dubas, Lou and a bunch of others have all influenced things here. It’s a simple concept - the team being the product of more than the efforts of one person - it would be nice to see more people recognize this simple truth.

 

[Dreakmur]

Who said that? The good and bad of the current Isles team can't be attributed to any single person. Lou, Snow and a bunch of others have all influenced things

If you think Trotz let anyone tell him not to play Toews, I’m not sure how to respond.

 

[ToneDog]

So Foligno said in an interview with Butkis yesterday that he suffered a back injury that ran to his leg. Regarding contract negotiations with the Leafs, says the reason he chose Boston was not money, it was their cap flexibility. Clearly we could not afford him and we do not have much cap flexibility as some would have you believe.

 

[VanW27]

So Foligno said in an interview with Butkis yesterday that he suffered a back injury that ran to his leg. Regarding contract negotiations with the Leafs, says the reason he chose Boston was not money, it was their cap flexibility. Clearly we could not afford him and we do not have much cap flexibility as some would have you believe.

He said it was money, I mean he slightly danced around it a bit but didn't really even try to hide he went to the place that offered him the most money - as most players do. No issues with that but no need to pretend it was something else.

Dude's a 34 year old 3rd liner who played like a fringe 4th liner for us, I get he was hurt, but that's still the reality. We will see if he lives up to that contract.

 

[ToneDog]

He said it was money, I mean he slightly danced around it a bit but didn't really even try to hide he went to the place that offered him the most money - as most players do. No issues with that but no need to pretend it was something else.

Dude's a 34 year old 3rd liner who played like a fringe 4th liner for us, I get he was hurt, but that's still the reality. We will see if he lives up to that contract.

I agree it was clearly money and yeah it sounds like we could not meet his number.

Scotty Mac highlighted what Foligno said at 14:40 this morning.

Nick Foligno on his frustrating end in T.O. and next chapter in Boston - Sportsnet.ca

 

[geo25]

He said it was money, I mean he slightly danced around it a bit but didn't really even try to hide he went to the place that offered him the most money - as most players do. No issues with that but no need to pretend it was something else.

Dude's a 34 year old 3rd liner who played like a fringe 4th liner for us, I get he was hurt, but that's still the reality. We will see if he lives up to that contract.

 

[geo25]

Another strike for Dubas....frittering a 1st on a damaged player....did he even do due diligence? Either way it's on him. Still cannot believe he did that....how does he still have a job?

 

[Stephen]

I wouldn’t worry about Foligno picking Boston over us. He’s a physically worn down power winger in his 30s and despite his dad’s vintage Leafs hat and feel good childhood stories the guy was brought in to be a mercenary and didn’t get the job done. Not much else of a connection to Leafs Nation otherwise. He needs his pay day and we got two Bruins wingers for the price of one with Ritchie and Kase coming back.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Another strike for Dubas....frittering a 1st on a damaged player....did he even do due diligence? Either way it's on him. Still cannot believe he did that....how does he still have a job?

It was the back injury he suffered in May that messed him up. He had a minor upper body injury when we first acquired him, but he was fine by the time his quarantine was over and it did not stop 2 other teams from offering the same price that we did. That injury had nothing to do with his back.

My issue is that we spent a 1st round pick on a bottom 6 quality rental who was not very good in the first place, regardless of health. The injury made things even worse, but it was a bad idea from the start. He provided some good defensive value, but his offense was pretty much in line with a bunch of healthy scratches we had the entire year and his physicality/leadership ability is overrated.

Effectively, Foligno was worth a 3rd or 4th round pick at most but we decided we desperately needed to have size, physicality, and leadership in the lineup... The same reason why underperforming players like Thornton and Simmonds played the entire year over guys who were better players.

 

[LeafChief]

I wouldn’t worry about Foligno picking Boston over us. He’s a physically worn down power winger in his 30s and despite his dad’s vintage Leafs hat and feel good childhood stories the guy was brought in to be a mercenary and didn’t get the job done. Not much else of a connection to Leafs Nation otherwise. He needs his pay day and we got two Bruins wingers for the price of one with Ritchie and Kase coming back.

Ya but if Boston let them go they can't possibly be good! (insert lol D00bler comment here)

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Another strike for Dubas....frittering a 1st on a damaged player....did he even do due diligence? Either way it's on him. Still cannot believe he did that....how does he still have a job?

It's crazy. Everyone knew Foligno was injured. An absolutely disgustingly bad trade as this team was fine without the addition of Foligno and ultimately failed. That 1st could have been used to acquire something this offseason but nooooo of course Dubass has to piss it away thinking this team can win it all when it isn't even close so instead of taking a patient approach and continue building from the draft and the offseason, he decides to pony up the worst thing you can do at the trade deadline: a first round pick for a pending UFA when you're not close to winning.

 

[4thline]

Ya but if Boston let them go they can't possibly be good! (insert lol D00bler comment here)

Getting stuff cheaply is the sign of a bad GM. If we paid Kerfoot and a 2nd for Ritchie then signed him to a 7 year 38 million dollar deal we'd know he has value.

 

[LeafSteel]

It was the back injury he suffered in May that messed him up. He had a minor upper body injury when we first acquired him, but he was fine by the time his quarantine was over and it did not stop 2 other teams from offering the same price that we did. That injury had nothing to do with his back.

My issue is that we spent a 1st round pick on a bottom 6 quality rental who was not very good in the first place, regardless of health. The injury made things even worse, but it was a bad idea from the start. He provided some good defensive value, but his offense was pretty much in line with a bunch of healthy scratches we had the entire year and his physicality/leadership ability is overrated.

Effectively, Foligno was worth a 3rd or 4th round pick at most but we decided we desperately needed to have size, physicality, and leadership in the lineup... The same reason why underperforming players like Thornton and Simmonds played the entire year over guys who were better players.

Perfect post, from start to finish.

Couldn't have said it better myself @SeaOfBlue.

 

[Stephen]

It was the back injury he suffered in May that messed him up. He had a minor upper body injury when we first acquired him, but he was fine by the time his quarantine was over and it did not stop 2 other teams from offering the same price that we did. That injury had nothing to do with his back.

My issue is that we spent a 1st round pick on a bottom 6 quality rental who was not very good in the first place, regardless of health. The injury made things even worse, but it was a bad idea from the start. He provided some good defensive value, but his offense was pretty much in line with a bunch of healthy scratches we had the entire year and his physicality/leadership ability is overrated.

Effectively, Foligno was worth a 3rd or 4th round pick at most but we decided we desperately needed to have size, physicality, and leadership in the lineup... The same reason why underperforming players like Thornton and Simmonds played the entire year over guys who were better players.

Toronto likes comparing themselves to Tampa Bay so I think the thought process was clearly to replicate the Coleman, Goodrow gambit. They key difference there is Coleman and Goodrow were 20 something guys with good health and a lot of gas left in the tank, whereas Foligno was basically a broken down checker with an elite press conference game. Would have looked fine on paper if we went to the conference finals and he made some memorable plays and some Leaping Foligno’s but I take comfort in the fact that we basically made a 2 for 1 winger deal with the Bruins in free agency. Live to fight another day.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Not sure what to think of those Batherson and Faravee deals.. on one hand they enjoy nice breakout seasons and have nice pedigree on the upswing. On the other hand they have only each really had one successful “season” and it was a shortened season.

 

[Rude Dog]

Not for or against Lou and it is just a simple question.
How the heck did Lou not able to build a solid Defence for the Leafs when he was GM for 3 yrs and yet managed to build a great D corps with spare(Toews) in the same amount of time with the Islanders?

he hired Trotz.

 

[hamzarocks]

Not sure what to think of those Batherson and Faravee deals.. on one hand they enjoy nice breakout seasons and have nice pedigree on the upswing. On the other hand they have only each really had one successful “season” and it was a shortened season.

Those guys are similar to 2019 Kapanen and 2019 Johnsson

Those players ended up with 3.2x3 and 3.4x4. Both Kap and AJ had 1 season of strong production around 50ish point pace

Batherson and Farabree are in a similar position though farabree is the youngest.

The got 1.7M on avg more (3.3M avg hit for kap and AJ) for 2/3 more years of term. Would say that's pretty fair value.

 

[Kurtz]

he hired Trotz.

Yep. Far and away his best move in over a decade. And something that he wouldn't have done here.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not sure what to think of those Batherson and Faravee deals.. on one hand they enjoy nice breakout seasons and have nice pedigree on the upswing. On the other hand they have only each really had one successful “season” and it was a shortened season.

They'll age well, that Farabee one in particular kinda reminds me of JVR where it looks like a steal fast.

 

[geo25]

I'm not going to have a bitch fit about it on the internet.

Bitch fit? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? I thought this forum was to openly express one's thoughts without having armchair critics like you make snide remarks...Uncalled for....

 

[Kurtz]

So, LeafChief letting a 1st go on a damaged player not bother you...at all? Oh, and a player who is also no longer with us either.

We don't know if he was damaged goods - in fact I believe he just said that he got injured here, but spending a 1st to rent a 3rd liner for a few weeks was always a terrible idea.

 

[Menzinger]

If you think Trotz let anyone tell him not to play Toews, I’m not sure how to respond.

Again, who said Lou instructed Trotz how to play him? A GM is supposed to be able to maximize return for value able assets. When they sell one for less than expected it certainly can't be viewed as a positive on their part.

Sandin isn't even an NHL regular yet. If Dubas' trades him tomorrow for a 2nd and change then and he immediately steps into being a top pairing D man, then Dubas' would have earned a lot of well deserved criticism