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Dekes For Days said:
He hasn't though.
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He has though. 3 straight years in the isles with excellent results.

3 years where the Islanders were expected to be a nothing team and they exceeded expectations. 2 straight ECF runs


The pieces he moved out didn't impact the isles success with the departure of Toews who was utilized as a 4/5D on the isles not impacting them as they went to the ECF again and played a more competitive series this time around losing in 7

Trading Leddy is a deal that was required as was dumping Ladd. They paid assets to move a dump. The assets spread over the next few years (think 2 2nds) so with the isles being positioned to contend for 2-3 more seasons its a move which makes absolute sense for them

Boychuk was a break a big one for them similar to how Horton was for us. We only got to move Clarkson at the time due to Hortons injury and lack of insurance. We also enjoyed LTIR with Lupul in 2017 and 2018 its a common practice that is frequently used by organizations
 
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Leafs at Knight said:
If Dubas signed a 4th line player for 6x2.5, the same people praising Lou would spend the entire summer whining about 'Dubass' and that contract, like they're doing anyhow about other stuff.

Also Sorokins sample size of 22 games gets 3 years and 4 mil, ok.
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If the leafs were in the same position as the isles with the same level of playoff success and we saw an important player who played a big part for the team that was at that level being signed for less then he'd get on the market for 2 additional years we'd be thrilled

Sorokin has pedigree from the KHL. He's been touted as the 2nd or best goalie outside of the NHL with Shesterkin and both have looked amazing at the NHL level. 3 year deal works well as it's not a long term commitment and they have Varlamov whose an excellent goalie himself to tandem with him until he fully takes the reigns
 
BertCorbeau said:
TBH is the situations were reversed there would be criticism that Lou was tying the team’s cap up on depth players when the need is clearly more top line game breaking offensive talent
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It's a similar pattern to his contracts here. He values his depth pieces, but his successor is going to have to deal with the cleanup in a few seasons.

Isles fans will be banking on the team winning in the short term. Time will tell that way one way or the other.
 
Burnie97 said:
How the f*** someone like Nurse gets 9.5 but Parayko gets 6.5. Similar stats offensively.

Yes Nurse probably has higher upside offensively but not 3 million worth. Parayko is way better on D.

I'd rather have Parayko at 6.5 and it's not even close.

Hopefully this helps the Leafs with Rielly a bit. I honestly thought it would be done already... if not he should probably be gone.

I like Rielly but own rentals haven't been working at all. Leafs need the assets but I still think they get him signed somehow at a decent price. I think he loves being a Leaf.
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Both are big guys but neither are nearly as good as Rielly. Parayko's contract still shouldn't help much with how bad Nurse's was.

Carlson is probably the best comparison looking at pre-extension numbers. I don't think we're getting a discount.
 
4thline said:
Are arguing that

Pelech-Pulock
Aho-Mayfield
Green-Dobson

is as good of D as

Pelech-Pulock
Toews-Mayfield
Leddy-Dobson
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My post is arguing that? Was that simple question a little too much for you?
 
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Not for or against Lou and it is just a simple question.
How the heck did Lou not able to build a solid Defence for the Leafs when he was GM for 3 yrs and yet managed to build a great D corps with spare(Toews) in the same amount of time with the Islanders?
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Not for or against Lou and it is just a simple question.
How the heck did Lou not able to build a solid Defence for the Leafs when he was GM for 3 yrs and yet managed to build a great D corps with spare(Toews) in the same amount of time with the Islanders?
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He didn't build anything on that D core. It was already there, and he's made it worse with said Toews move.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Not for or against Lou and it is just a simple question.
How the heck did Lou not able to build a solid Defence for the Leafs when he was GM for 3 yrs and yet managed to build a great D corps with spare(Toews) in the same amount of time with the Islanders?
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Lou didn't build jack for Isles D.
 
BertCorbeau said:
TBH is the situations were reversed there would be criticism that Lou was tying the team’s cap up on depth players when the need is clearly more top line game breaking offensive talent
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Lou's Islanders are probably going to end up looking like the 2015 New Jersey Devils by the time Casey Cizikas' deal is up. But Lou is also going to be 84 in 6 years, so I'm going to guess he doesn't have much of an appetite or runway for a long term approach...

I don't worry too much about the Islanders to be honest. They might be a better playoff team for now but only in the way Pat Quinn's Leafs were better than Jacques Martin's Senators. Leafs need to focus on what they're building, but as competitive as they are, I don't see any championships on Long Island.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Not for or against Lou and it is just a simple question.
How the heck did Lou not able to build a solid Defence for the Leafs when he was GM for 3 yrs and yet managed to build a great D corps with spare(Toews) in the same amount of time with the Islanders?
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Because we struggle to draft and develop defenseman and have for a very long time

Here's hoping that's changing since we've been pouring resources into those areas recently
 
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Stephen said:
Garth Snow actually did the bulk of the building for the Islanders. He gets a bad rap, but he had a lot of time away from the limelight to put together a pretty good stable of talent.
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He did and the Isles did a good job developing them. Plus Trotz’s system really helps too.

Dobson and Greene have been the only additions by Lou on their blue line
 
BertCorbeau said:
He did and the Isles did a good job developing them. Plus Trotz’s system really helps too.

Dobson and Greene have been the only additions by Lou on their blue line
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Snow really spent a lot of time on the blueline in the mid 2010s. During the Griffin Reinhart draft he had 7x picks and went with 7x D and only Adam Pelech turned out. Got some great steals like Devon Toews, Scott Mayfield here and there and got Pulock in the first. Feels like something the Hurricanes did too during that time frame. It's a slower build and there are obviously some major downsides - but suits those smaller budget teams better cause it keeps the costs low. It was a good set up for Lou to walk into.
 
BertCorbeau said:
That rumoured Cizikas contract is fun.. 6 years by $2.5 .. classic Lou move :laugh:
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Pelech: 8 years, $46M
Cizikas: 6 years, $15M
Beauvillier: 3 years, $12.3M
Palmieri: 4 years, 20M
Sorokin: 3 years, 12M

Palmieri is maybe half a mil high.

Cizikas is a year too long, but otherwise a steal.

All in all, Lou has done an excellent job again.

I wish we still had him.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
6 years is still a horrible term for a player like him at his age. It's funny how for everybody's contracts other than the Leafs, it's just "oh the cap will go up it's fine".

Cizikas has 2 playoff goals and 7 points in his past 45 playoff games, for the record. Over that time, at 5v5, he's been outplayed and outscored 17-10 while he's been on the ice.
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In his last 19 playoff games (one season), 7 against Tampa, he has 5 points and is even +/-.

We've played 19 playoff games over the last three years. Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Kerfoot, and Tavares have more points in that timeframe, buy only Nylander and Kerfoot have a better +/-.

Tavares is -8. Who's overpaid?
 
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Both are big guys but neither are nearly as good as Rielly. Parayko's contract still shouldn't help much with how bad Nurse's was.

Carlson is probably the best comparison looking at pre-extension numbers. I don't think we're getting a discount.
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Yeah 8 mil isn't bad for him. I was going 7 or 7.5 for Morgs though.

It's probably a bit of a pipe dream but even 7 at 8 years would be good.
 
Jamason said:
Pelech: 8 years, $46M
Cizikas: 6 years, $15M
Beauvillier: 3 years, $12.3M
Palmieri: 4 years, 20M
Sorokin: 3 years, 12M

Palmieri is maybe half a mil high.

Cizikas is a year too long, but otherwise a steal.

All in all, Lou has done an excellent job again.

I wish we still had him.
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I would much rather have our cap situtation than the Islanders.

A lot of term and dollars on an aging roster and for the 3rd consecutive offseason next year they'll have to trade a valuable player because they decided to keep 4th liners and depth guys long term.

They're almost capped out for next season already with $12M to re-sign Pulock, Dobson, and Clutterbuck. And that's before factoring Zajac and Parise deals that have yet to be announced. If either one is two years it eats into that amount.

They are going to be really bad, really shortly here.
 
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