GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Let the games begin

[BlueForever75]

If Uncle Lou is willing to eat some of Komarov's salary I would easily acquire him for a 3rd/4th line role. He is exactly what this team needs. Players that get into others faces, can PK and chip in offensively.

Engvall for Komarov (Islanders pick up difference in contracts)

 

[SprDaVE]

If Uncle Lou is willing to eat some of Komarov's salary I would easily acquire him for a 3rd/4th line role. He is exactly what this team needs. Players that get into others faces, can PK and chip in offensively.

Engvall for Komarov (Islanders pick up difference in contracts)

Engvall >>> Komarov at 1.5M

 

[Dreakmur]

The exact opposite - every one of our "overpays" is easily tradeable and for good value.

Overpays on depth players are untradeable anchors, that end up on waivers or buyouts or trading away assets to move.

We’ll see how easily Tavares is to move… oh wait, he’s got a NMC. Marner would get a return, but there are so few teams that could even acquire him, I’m not sure the return would be “good value”.

Komarov goes on waivers and going to minors saves like half his contract on the cap.

 

[zeke]

We’ll see how easily Tavares is to move… oh wait, he’s got a NMC. Marner would get a return, but there are so few teams that could even acquire him, I’m not sure the return would be “good value”.

Komarov goes on waivers and going to minors saves like half his contract on the cap.

They save about $1m on the cap by waiving him down - I.e. enough to call up one near league minimum player.

 

[Dreakmur]

They save about $1m on the cap by waiving him down - I.e. enough to call up one near league minimum player.

They save 1.25, don’t they? That’s almost half of 3.

 

[Fogelhund]

They save 1.25, don’t they? That’s almost half of 3.

According to Cap Friendly, it's $1.125Mil.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Who's available on D that is big physical and strong defensively? We need one of those instead of Holl on the second pair.

 

[zeke]

They save 1.25, don’t they? That’s almost half of 3.

I guess. Still just enough to replace him with one near league minimum player.

 

[hockeynorth]

Who's available on D that is big physical and strong defensively? We need one of those instead of Holl on the second pair.

Tim Liljegren

 

[Martin Skoula]

We’ll see how easily Tavares is to move… oh wait, he’s got a NMC. Marner would get a return, but there are so few teams that could even acquire him, I’m not sure the return would be “good value”.

Komarov goes on waivers and going to minors saves like half his contract on the cap.

Marner makes 5-something a year in real cash after we pay his next bonus, teams like Ottawa and Arizona would jump on that even if they just rent him until the deadline for a flip with retention.

 

[Dreakmur]

Marner makes 5-something a year in real cash after we pay his next bonus, teams like Ottawa and Arizona would jump on that even if they just rent him until the deadline for a flip with retention.

Yes, they are some of the few teams that could acquire him.

 

[Dreakmur]

I guess. Still just enough to replace him with one near league minimum player.

Which is a lot easier than trying to work around a bad 10 million dollar contract, right?

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don’t even get how this is even a debate, the forever angry crew really think that overpaying at the bottom end is better than overpaying at the top? Do we not remember having David Clarkson? Overpaying at the bottom means you have no chance of upgrading the lineup and acquiring top end talent. Give me top end talent everyday over paid or not. I mean obviously the best is stars on great deals, but that didn’t happen.. boohoo.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I don’t even get how this is even a debate, the forever angry crew really think that overpaying at the bottom end is better than overpaying at the top? Do we not remember having David Clarkson? Overpaying at the bottom means you have no chance of upgrading the lineup and acquiring top end talent. Give me top end talent everyday over paid or not. I mean obviously the best is stars on great deals, but that didn’t happen.. boohoo.

'Forever angry crew' lolololol

Lets put the overpay argument to bed please......no one is adding new material.

Trades! Common trades!!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Who's available on D that is big physical and strong defensively? We need one of those instead of Holl on the second pair.

That is what Muzzin is. Really, that is what Holl is too. They are getting beat by speed.

Liljegren or Dermott would be a perfect partner for Muzzin, and Dermott or Sandin would work well for Holl.

You don't need to look outside of the organization.

 

[zeke]

Which is a lot easier than trying to work around a bad 10 million dollar contract, right?

1st liners producers are 1st line producers, you don't have to work around them.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I’d give up a lot for Chychrun if Coyotes would entertain moving him.

Maybe something around Kerfoot/Holl + Liljegren + Robertson/Amirov + 1st

 

[kb]

Which is a lot easier than trying to work around a bad 10 million dollar contract, right?

What bad contract?

 

[hamzarocks]

I’d give up a lot for Chychrun if Coyotes would entertain moving him.

Maybe something around Kerfoot/Holl + Liljegren + Robertson/Amirov + 1st

I Think value wise he's around Nylander. If both teams had similar needs a Nylander for Chychuran works 1 for 1.

Since they are rebuilding your package is more in the direction they would want to go but issue is that Robertson got injured which will reduce his values and Amirov really hasn't been able to up his value much

If Chychuran was dealt, they'd want either a potential top 10 pick, or a high end elite prospect. None of Amriov/Robertson or Lilijgren are true blue chippers.

Think they'd find a better deal outside from a different team than the Leafs.

The Canes for instance could sell Seth Jarvis + B prospect + 1st + salary to which to me would be a better deal than the Leafs offer, as Jarvis looks like a blue chip prospect above amirov/Robertson by a fair margin

 

[4thline]

Which is a lot easier than trying to work around a bad 10 million dollar contract, right?

No. Assuming the absolute value of the overpayment is equal, it's better to have the better player on two fronts. Let's use JT as an example, say he's 3m overpaid. and compare that against a 4m dollar player who's 3m overpaid.

Principle 1 (more wishywashy, not as impactful on the ice). In this scenario JT is 37.5% overpaid, the 4m dollar guy is 300% overpaid in terms of efficiency that's a full order of magnitude worse error.

Principle 2 (very impactful on the ice)- Scarcity. An 8 million dollar player, even if 3m dollars overpaid, is still a net benefit, because 8m dollar players are a scarce resource. There aren't enough of them to go around and You're better to have him than not. On the other hand a 1m dollar player is the opposite, you can pick up a player that will give you 1m in value every other day on waivers. Sinking 3m extra into something you can find on the street is a net negative.

 

[zeke]

No. Assuming the absolute value of the overpayment is equal, it's better to have the better player on two fronts. Let's use JT as an example, say he's 3m overpaid. and compare that against a 4m dollar player who's 3m overpaid.

Principle 1 (more wishywashy, not as impactful on the ice). In this scenario JT is 37.5% overpaid, the 4m dollar guy is 300% overpaid in terms of efficiency that's a full order of magnitude worse error.

Principle 2 (very impactful on the ice)- Scarcity. An 8 million dollar player, even if 3m dollars overpaid, is still a net benefit, because 8m dollar players are a scarce resource. There aren't enough of them to go around and You're better to have him than not. On the other hand a 1m dollar player is the opposite, you can pick up a player that will give you 1m in value every other day on waivers. Sinking 3m extra into something you can find on the street is a net negative.

 

[Dreakmur]

What bad contract?

A theoretical bad contract….

 

[ToneDog]

No. Assuming the absolute value of the overpayment is equal, it's better to have the better player on two fronts. Let's use JT as an example, say he's 3m overpaid. and compare that against a 4m dollar player who's 3m overpaid.

Principle 1 (more wishywashy, not as impactful on the ice). In this scenario JT is 37.5% overpaid, the 4m dollar guy is 300% overpaid in terms of efficiency that's a full order of magnitude worse error.

Principle 2 (very impactful on the ice)- Scarcity. An 8 million dollar player, even if 3m dollars overpaid, is still a net benefit, because 8m dollar players are a scarce resource. There aren't enough of them to go around and You're better to have him than not. On the other hand a 1m dollar player is the opposite, you can pick up a player that will give you 1m in value every other day on waivers. Sinking 3m extra into something you can find on the street is a net negative.

Hate to be the GM that signed a $1m player for $4m.

 

[Ramboshaw]

Would we have any interest in Vitaly Kravtsov? He is a left winger, which is our weak side. Also, while we are in win now mode (which said player could help us in) the Rangers are still a little behind us, and more willing to season their prospects in the minors.

Would something revolving around Amirov for Kravtsov intrigue any of the involved parties? Both Russian, both with fairly similar skill sets, with one a little farther ahead of development than the other. Rangers start fresh, and we get a prospect who is ready to enter the NHL now.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Would we have any interest in Vitaly Kravtsov? He is a left winger, which is our weak side. Also, while we are in win now mode (which said player could help us in) the Rangers are still a little behind us, and more willing to season their prospects in the minors.

Would something revolving around Amirov for Kravtsov intrigue any of the involved parties? Both Russian, both with fairly similar skill sets, with one a little farther ahead of development than the other. Rangers start fresh, and we get a prospect who is ready to enter the NHL now.

Kravtsov doesn't have that kind of value right now. He is worth a late 2nd round pick at best.

Amirov hasn't been amazing, but he's progressed well enough for a mid-1st round pick. We are not moving that for a guy who is struggling to adjust to North American hockey and wants out.