GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Let the games begin

[Dreakmur]

I would much rather overpay my star players a bit than overpay my role players.

A million overpaid is insignificant when the player plays 23 minutes a night, but a huge detriment when a player plays 12 minutes

Yes, it's better to overpay good players than bad players, but what's the difference really? You end up with less cap space either way.

 

[zeke]

I have soured on Dubas recently but he with CJ's info just roasted Sid, Damien and other media.
Love it.

Since so much of your dubas anger is tied up in Lilly....you should appreciate this in particular (from Mirtle at theathletic.com):

"One of the main rules with roster emergency exceptions is that the “free” player that is recalled can only make up to $100,000 more than the league minimum salary — which this season equates to $850,000.

Hutchinson’s cap hit is just $725,000. Liljegren’s is $863,333. One option works as an emergency exception. The other does not.

That means that, theoretically, as long as Petr Mrazek is out with a groin injury, Liljegren could have been stuck down in the AHL. The Leafs could have recalled a defenceman with a smaller salary as an exception, like Alex Biega or Brennan Menell, but with no exact timeline on when Mrazek will be back, there could potentially be a wait for a young blueliner the organization wants to see in the lineup regularly"

 

[zeke]

Yes, it's better to overpay good players than bad players, but what's the difference really? You end up with less cap space either way.

Because there's always good players available for cheap to play st the bottom of the roster, while big contracts to depth players never ends well (see: Komarov, Leo).

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Yes, it's better to overpay good players than bad players, but what's the difference really? You end up with less cap space either way.

You seriously can't see the difference between overpaid good players versus overpaid bad players?

Let's start where the players are good and not bad for starters. You can extrapolate the rest from there.

 

[stickty111]

Since so much of your dubas anger is tied up in Lilly....you should appreciate this in particular (from Mirtle at theathletic.com):

"One of the main rules with roster emergency exceptions is that the “free” player that is recalled can only make up to $100,000 more than the league minimum salary — which this season equates to $850,000.

Hutchinson’s cap hit is just $725,000. Liljegren’s is $863,333. One option works as an emergency exception. The other does not.

That means that, theoretically, as long as Petr Mrazek is out with a groin injury, Liljegren could have been stuck down in the AHL. The Leafs could have recalled a defenceman with a smaller salary as an exception, like Alex Biega or Brennan Menell, but with no exact timeline on when Mrazek will be back, there could potentially be a wait for a young blueliner the organization wants to see in the lineup regularly"

Yup I saw that. Clearly they value him but you need to play him. There is no excuse for him not to play in at least one of the games in the back to back on Friday or Saturday.

 

[Dreakmur]

You seriously can't see the difference between overpaid good players versus overpaid bad players?

Let's start where the players are good and not bad for starters. You can extrapolate the rest from there.

If we took 2 of Marner’s million and have it to Ritchie, the result is the same. Same players and same cap hit.

Actually, overpaid lesser players tend to have shorter contracts, so they’re off the books quicker.

 

[Dreakmur]

Because there's always good players available for cheap to play st the bottom of the roster, while big contracts to depth players never ends well (see: Komarov, Leo).

But what’s the real impact?

 

[zeke]

But what’s the real impact?

Not having elite players.

While having untradeable contracts at the bottom of the roster.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[OVO16]

Josh Manson would be an ideal target at the deadline. Retention would be needed but he's exactly what the leafs are lacking on the backend.

He also looks really good to start the season for Anaheim. Almost pre-injury status.

All of that is moot if Anaheim is in the playoff hunt though

 

[Dreakmur]

Not having elite players.

While having untradeable contracts at the bottom of the roster.

That's a completely different argument. Yes, having elite players is better than having mediocre players, but it's also better to have those elite players on cheaper contracts.

Overpaying elite players has the same impact as overpaying mediocre players - reduced cap space.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Josh Manson would be an ideal target at the deadline. Retention would be needed but he's exactly what the leafs are lacking on the backend.

He also looks really good to start the season for Anaheim. Almost pre-injury status.

All of that is moot if Anaheim is in the playoff hunt though

Anaheim has been off to a good start but he has not. Too expensive for a guy playing 18 minutes a night and has been terrible in his defensive role so far.

Worse than Muzzin/Holl against worse competition in a lesser role. Is also hitting less so far. No thanks.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

That's a completely different argument. Yes, having elite players is better than having mediocre players, but it's also better to have those elite players on cheaper contracts.

Overpaying elite players has the same impact as overpaying mediocre players - reduced cap space.

Underpaying you're elite players just means that you end up overpaying your middle guys and can't move them later when things go south.

If you can underpay your elite players and add more elite players for cheap then obviously you would rather have that option. But I have yet to see a team full of Mackinnon contracts that haven't wasted their surplus on guys that don't provide a lot of value.

 

[The Podium]

That's a completely different argument. Yes, having elite players is better than having mediocre players, but it's also better to have those elite players on cheaper contracts.

Overpaying elite players has the same impact as overpaying mediocre players - reduced cap space.

You can acquire depth with limited cap space but you can’t acquire elite talent with limited cap space.

You can trade an overpaid all star but not an overpaid scrub.

 

[Dreakmur]

Underpaying you're elite players just means that you end up overpaying your middle guys and can't move them later when things go south.

If you can underpay your elite players and add more elite players for cheap then obviously you would rather have that option. But I have yet to see a team full of Mackinnon contracts that haven't wasted their surplus on guys that don't provide a lot of value.

Underpaying your elite players means you have more money to spend. Sometimes that does mean making mistakes elsewhere, but that’s it certainly didn’t cause it.

 

[Dreakmur]

You can acquire depth with limited cap space but you can’t acquire elite talent with limited cap space.

You can trade an overpaid all star but not an overpaid scrub.

This isn’t about needing elite players, it’s about how you pay the ones you have.

 

[The Podium]

This isn’t about needing elite players, it’s about how you pay the ones you have.

If you’re arguing that overpaying your stars is worse than underpaying them than I don’t know what to tell you.

But if you had to pick overpaying your stars vs your depth, it’s easier to rid yourself of overpaid stars and recycle cheap depth.

 

[Dreakmur]

If you’re arguing that overpaying your stars is worse than underpaying them than I don’t know what to tell you.

That's what I'm saying - an overpay is an overpay. It has the same impact.

But if you had to pick overpaying your stars vs your depth, it’s easier to rid yourself of overpaid stars and recycle cheap depth.

If I had to pick, I'd probably go with the stars, but I don't think it makes a difference. The lower players have shorter contracts, and are easier to move.

 

[The Podium]

That's what I'm saying - an overpay is an overpay. It has the same impact.



If I had to pick, I'd probably go with the stars, but I don't think it makes a difference. The lower players have shorter contracts, and are easier to move.

Easier to move?! Leo Komarov just cleared waivers

 

[zeke]

That's what I'm saying - an overpay is an overpay. It has the same impact.



If I had to pick, I'd probably go with the stars, but I don't think it makes a difference. The lower players have shorter contracts, and are easier to move.

The exact opposite - every one of our "overpays" is easily tradeable and for good value.

Overpays on depth players are untradeable anchors, that end up on waivers or buyouts or trading away assets to move.

 

[Stephen]

How can Evander Kane's contract not be terminated when the Rangers seemed to terminate Tony DeAngelo's so easily...

 

[Stephen]

Josh Manson would be an ideal target at the deadline. Retention would be needed but he's exactly what the leafs are lacking on the backend.

He also looks really good to start the season for Anaheim. Almost pre-injury status.

All of that is moot if Anaheim is in the playoff hunt though

Josh Manson's cap hit isn't that affordable...

I wonder if the Leafs can worm their way out of the Kerfoot and maybe Ritchie deals this season. Frees up $6 million.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Can this fanbase please get over it's annual Josh Manson obsession? The dude sucks ass.

 

[613Leafer]

Can this fanbase please get over it's annual Josh Manson obsession? The dude sucks ass.

Similar to Nick Foligno, we'd be paying a premium for what Manson was ~2-3+ years ago, and not for what he is today. Then when he has minimal impact, everyone will be surprised and outraged at what we paid.

 

[The Podium]

Similar to Nick Foligno, we'd be paying a premium for what Manson was ~2-3+ years ago, and not for what he is today. Then when he has minimal impact, everyone will be surprised and outraged at what we paid.

Pretty much if this fan base loves a player from another team, they generally suck.