Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Cor]

We should get Helly from the jets

We should get Vasi from the bolts

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Gibson doesn't seem likely to happen. But yeah, I think that's the main issue. Great we can get back to talking about other terrible options. Not seeing a lot of suggestions about good ways to get out of this offseason in a good position in net. Not a lot to be hyped about when it comes to those three in particular either.

At least with Gibson we can momentarily convince ourselves that it could work. Not that I think it would, but hey it's something. I'd love to hype up the possibility of an option that doesn't immediately on our radar. But right now these are the options floating around (Campbell, Varlamov, Gibson, Kuemper, Allen, Murray, Talbot, etc).

Few more to potentially add: Hill/Reimer/Kahkonen from San Jose, Blackwood/Bernier from New Jersey, of course the likes of Holtby/Comrie in UFA as well, but more as backup/tandem options.

Teams that need goalies (including ones that may just use prospects):
Anaheim: Tandem Starter (if they move Gibson)
Arizona: Tandem Starter or Backup
Edmonton: Starter and Backup (if Smith retires)
Chicago: Tandem Starter
Nashville: Backup
St. Louis: Backup
Winnipeg: Backup and Starter (if they blow it up and move Hellebuyck)
Minnesota: Tandem Starter (if they move Talbot)
Islanders: Backup (if they move Varlamov)
Rangers: Backup
Flyers: Backup (if Fedotov is unavailable)
Washington: Starter or Tandem Starter
Buffalo: Tandem Starter
Ottawa: Tandem Starter (if Murray is bought out or traded)
Toronto: Starter and Backup

Starters available:
Kuemper (UFA)
Gibson (Trade)
Campbell (UFA)
Hellebuyck? (Trade)

1A Tandem Starters:
Varlamov (Trade)

1B Tandem Starters:
Holtby (UFA)
Talbot (Trade); he could be a 1A, but ideally a 1B for a playoff team.
Reimer/Hill/Kahkonen (Trade)
Murray (Trade or bought-out UFA)
Allen (Trade)
Blackwood/Bernier (Trade)

Backups:
Jones (UFA)
Comrie (UFA)
Lankinen (UFA)
Greiss (UFA)
Halak (UFA)
Rittich (UFA)

 

[CelticDruid]

I hate this Gibson talk. People with no clue clamouring for this bum.

Make it stop.

It's the new shiny toy syndrome

 

[garce]

We should get Helly from the jets

Ideally, but theres no way a Canadian small market team is going trade the Leafs that kind of piece no matter what the return unles it’s at the deadline as the contract expires.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Ideally, but theres no way a Canadian small market team is going trade the Leafs that kind of piece no matter what the return unles it’s at the deadline as the contract expires.

And there is no indication that Helle is even available. Heck I even question Gibson now, there has been no smoke in the last 3-4 weeks.

 

[garce]

And there is no indication that Helle is even available. Heck I even question Gibson now, there has been no smoke in the last 3-4 weeks.

And if he was right now there would be line up and the Jets could hold an auction and send him to a dozen different destinations that weren’t totally hated by their fan base

 

[FlareKnight]

And there is no indication that Helle is even available. Heck I even question Gibson now, there has been no smoke in the last 3-4 weeks.

I do get the Hellebuyck idea. Since it is hard to say what direction Winnipeg is even going in right now. Didn't get Trotz as the coach (though they did eventually get a coach), had a bad year, Dubois looks ready to bolt as soon as possible, and Hellebuyck himself only has a couple years left. Not that even I want to discuss guys only having a couple years before free agency .

It's an unstable enough situation that I could at least believe Hellebuyck moving being remotely possible. Not that many legit excellent goalies in situations that directionless. I don't think it'll happen. But at least it's a suggestion that would be an absolute win. I'd rather think on that long shot than the less than ideal likely options we do have.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I do get the Hellebuyck idea. Since it is hard to say what direction Winnipeg is even going in right now. Didn't get Trotz as the coach (though they did eventually get a coach), had a bad year, Dubois looks ready to bolt as soon as possible, and Hellebuyck himself only has a couple years left. Not that even I want to discuss guys only having a couple years before free agency .

It's an unstable enough situation that I could at least believe Hellebuyck moving being remotely possible. Not that many legit excellent goalies in situations that directionless. I don't think it'll happen. But at least it's a suggestion that would be an absolute win. I'd rather think on that long shot than the less than ideal likely options we do have.

I agree and i definitely would be inquiring .. I think the Jets have other pieces they need to sort out first. If they move Hellebyuck it's going to be a clear mass exodus of that team and it will completely fall apart. They may be interested in shuffling the core in a retool first.

Helle might be available next deadline though or next season.

But they need to look at Scheif, PLD, Wheeler first .. I can't see them moving THAT many big names/contracst out in an offseason.

It's another reason why committing to term on a mediocre goalie is risky. Helle could be there in less than a year.

 

[kb]

i go camping away from the world for 2 weeks and miss all the fun. at least i get to see the jays draft.

so the sky's falling because he was able to get rid of the guy everyone said he would have to pay out of the nose to or have to buy out(moved back a dozen spots). now we are goalie less ( lets not forget kallgren pretty much kept this team afloat when jack and petri could stop a 6'x6' boulderfrom december to march) didn't trade for vanacek or husso or get fleury

didn't draft the guys they wanted

didn't trade kerfoot/holl/muzzin/nylander for futures or package

along those lines?

Correct. And the Leafs are that much better off for it.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The issues start arising if those top trade options (Varlamov, Hellebuyck, Gibson) are taken out. One team may be forced to get creative. Of course, Kuemper and Campbell may be asking for ridiculous overpayments which may be far from ideal as well. Washington and EDM likely do not care as much as we do, and I guess a rebuilding team could always throw a ton of money at one of them too.

I would not be surprised if Dubas is seriously looking at the secondary options. We already know about Murray, but Holtby, Kahkonen/Hill, Blackwood (if he is still available), Comrie, etc. too.

Campbell had a really good stretch for a while there, but his overall track record and playoffs is easily not 5+ mill worthy for serious term at 30 years old. He has not really been a starter for that long and may just turn out to be an overpaid mediocre starter who is more or less as good as the defense in front of him or drops off when the workload gets into starter territory (which is what happened to him this year). Alternatively, he could be similar to Kuemper was at that age (with less of a backup track record) and he could really step up and be good enough to lead us to a Cup in the next few years.

Campbell's value right now is 4 mill x 3 or 4.5 mill x 2. It really depends on how much Dubas wants to go over that. I don't think we are seriously considering Kuemper right now; at least not as much as Washington and Edmonton are. We probably don't want to wait for him to hit UFA only for us to lose out on him, and I think they kind of know the guy is probably looking for more money than we can offer.

So it seems like it comes down to Campbell vs. Varlamov or Gibson trade, with a tandem involving Talbot or Murray being the fail safe. Leafs make the move which makes the most sense for them.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

Few more to potentially add: Hill/Reimer/Kahkonen from San Jose, Blackwood/Bernier from New Jersey, of course the likes of Holtby/Comrie in UFA as well, but more as backup/tandem options.

Teams that need goalies (including ones that may just use prospects):
Anaheim: Tandem Starter (if they move Gibson)
Arizona: Tandem Starter or Backup
Edmonton: Starter and Backup (if Smith retires)
Chicago: Tandem Starter
Nashville: Backup
St. Louis: Backup
Winnipeg: Backup and Starter (if they blow it up and move Hellebuyck)
Minnesota: Tandem Starter (if they move Talbot)
Islanders: Backup (if they move Varlamov)
Rangers: Backup
Flyers: Backup (if Fedotov is unavailable)
Washington: Starter or Tandem Starter
Buffalo: Tandem Starter
Ottawa: Tandem Starter (if Murray is bought out or traded)
Toronto: Starter and Backup

Starters available:
Kuemper (UFA)
Gibson (Trade)
Campbell (UFA)
Hellebuyck? (Trade)

1A Tandem Starters:
Varlamov (Trade)

1B Tandem Starters:
Holtby (UFA)
Talbot (Trade); he could be a 1A, but ideally a 1B for a playoff team.
Reimer/Hill/Kahkonen (Trade)
Murray (Trade or bought-out UFA)
Allen (Trade)
Blackwood/Bernier (Trade)

Backups:
Jones (UFA)
Comrie (UFA)
Lankinen (UFA)
Greiss (UFA)
Halak (UFA)
Rittich (UFA)

I don't think Campbell has done enough to prove he's a legit starter rather than a 1A/1B.

 

[Dreakmur]

The issues start arising if those top trade options (Varlamov, Hellebuyck, Gibson) are taken out. One team may be forced to get creative. Of course, Kuemper and Campbell may be asking for ridiculous overpayments which may be far from ideal as well. Washington and EDM likely do not care as much as we do, and I guess a rebuilding team could always throw a ton of money at one of them too.

I would not be surprised if Dubas is seriously looking at the secondary options. We already know about Murray, but Holtby, Kahkonen/Hill, Blackwood (if he is still available), Comrie, etc. too.

Campbell had a really good stretch for a while there, but his overall track record and playoffs is easily not 5+ mill worthy for serious term at 30 years old. He has not really been a starter for that long and may just turn out to be an overpaid mediocre starter who is more or less as good as the defense in front of him or drops off when the workload gets into starter territory (which is what happened to him this year). Alternatively, he could be similar to Kuemper was at that age (with less of a backup track record) and he could really step up and be good enough to lead us to a Cup in the next few years.

Campbell's value right now is 4 mill x 3 or 4.5 mill x 2. It really depends on how much Dubas wants to go over that. I don't think we are seriously considering Kuemper right now; at least not as much as Washington and Edmonton are. We probably don't want to wait for him to hit UFA only for us to lose out on him, and I think they kind of know the guy is probably looking for more money than we can offer.

So it seems like it comes down to Campbell vs. Varlamov or Gibson trade, with a tandem involving Talbot or Murray being the fail safe. Leafs make the move which makes the most sense for them.

With the Talbot camp being upset, I think that would be my primary target. He's pretty similar to Campbell as mid-low end starter, and he's already signed for a reasonable number. That would allow them to get a quality backup like Comrie or Holtby, or even Blackwood.

 

[Erndog]

For those that keep mentioning Holtby, there were some reports tonight that look like he's played his final game and will be forces to retire. Doesn't look like he's an option anymore

 

[BallardEra]

With the Talbot camp being upset, I think that would be my primary target. He's pretty similar to Campbell as mid-low end starter, and he's already signed for a reasonable number. That would allow them to get a quality backup like Comrie or Holtby, or even Blackwood.

Personally I would never sign Talbot. I don't see him as a difference maker come playoff time.

 

[ULF_55]

There are going to be goaltenders looking for spots.
They might be on their last legs but they might have enough left to platoon.

To be honest I'd kind of like to see how the team reacts to that.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think Campbell has done enough to prove he's a legit starter rather than a 1A/1B.

Problem is, he is looking for starter money and some team will probably give it to him.

 

[Smif]

I would go for Talbot because he's only signed for 1 year, I'd get a decent backup and circle back next year. It seems like every option is less than ideal so I'd get a stop gap for this uear and hope the goalie market is nicer next uear or, you never know something might fall into our lap midseason like a team that thought they'd be in it falls out of it.

 

[DougGilmour93]

What about a deal for Varlamov and than sign Lankinen as backup?

Not sure what we have to give up for Varly? I can’t imagine much.

 

[DougGilmour93]

Double post

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Shouldn’t Blackwood be available for a small price? The Devils traded for Vanecek and have Bernier. It would seem like they chose Vanecek as their future goalie?

 

[Dreakmur]

Personally I would never sign Talbot. I don't see him as a difference maker come playoff time.

He's a mid-low end starter, but that's pretty much as good as is available right now.

Shouldn’t Blackwood be available for a small price? The Devils traded for Vanecek and have Bernier. It would seem like they chose Vanecek as their future goalie?

You would think he's available. Maybe send them something like Abruzzese.

 

[Duke16]

Off topic, but Colin White on a 2-year deal in the high 1's or low 2's is something I'd be aiming for.

Still think he can become a very good two-way 3C and looks a lot more interesting without the bloated contract baggage. Seems like good insurance for Kämpf too in case of injury or in the following season if an extension for Kämpf isn't reached.

 

[garce]

I would go for Talbot because he's only signed for 1 year, I'd get a decent backup and circle back next year. It seems like every option is less than ideal so I'd get a stop gap for this uear and hope the goalie market is nicer next uear or, you never know something might fall into our lap midseason like a team that thought they'd be in it falls out of it.

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too, pains me to say it I just don’t trust Campbell enough to commit 4 years and it’s looking like it’s even going to be a minimum of 5. Talbot and a decent backup to start and maybe see how it unfolds coming up to the deadline

 

[DougGilmour93]

TALbot + Greenway for ?

 

[garce]

Off topic, but Colin White on a 2-year deal in the high 1's or low 2's is something I'd be aiming for.

Still think he can become a very good two-way 3C and looks a lot more interesting without the bloated contract baggage. Seems like good insurance for Kämpf too in case of injury or in the following season if an extension for Kämpf isn't reached.

Id be happy to give White a shot on a one year minimum show me deal or a little more but not a chance two years. Montreal and Hughes his former agent have been linked to him since the last trade deadline so he may land there. Pierre Mcguire has been raving about him and Ryan Donato being potential stars for what seems an eternity so…