Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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Here’s the thing with John Gibson.

Hes risky. Every goalie right now that we could get has risk.

So, if it came at the right acquisition cost and salary cost in terms of Anaheim retaining, it’s worth considering.

Unfortunately, that’s unlikely to happen. Anaheim is going to be asking for a high price, and probably won’t want to retain
 
Here’s the thing with John Gibson.

Hes risky. Every goalie right now that we could get has risk.

So, if it came at the right acquisition cost and salary cost in terms of Anaheim retaining, it’s worth considering.

Unfortunately, that’s unlikely to happen. Anaheim is going to be asking for a high price, and probably won’t want to retain

I don't even think they have to retain. I just think they have to not take a big premium package. There's a reason he hasn't been traded yet.

Leafs apparently have no interest in him though. I think they would if they could get him for a similar trade when we traded Zaitsev away.
 
Seems NJ wants to keep Blackwood.

The goalie under contract to someone who might actually be possible could be Bobrovsky. Florida finds a third team to help with retention and pays the costs, and Leafs get him at 5 million for remainder of his deal with a small add.

Florida could really use the cap.
Yep. I read where the Devils feel they believe in a "healthy" Blackwood and are sticking with him.
 

While the very bottom of the Maple Leafs depth chart changed a bit after this week’s draft, the top tier is a work in a progress.

Right up to the start of free agency this Wednesday, general manager Kyle Dubas will be trying to set the table for a run at a goaltender, either retaining Jack Campbell, getting in on the shrinking number that will hit the open market, namely Colorado’s Darcy Kuemper or pursuing a trade.

If the ‘sacrificial lamb’ theory has any validation – that the Leafs can no longer count on ending their first round playoff hex unless their core four is broken up – the next few days will determine if Dubas actually gets bold enough to move William Nylander’s palatable $6.96 million US cap hit for space, defence or prospects. The downside is the loss of both Nylander and Ilya Mikheyev as a pending UFA would drain goals from the NHL’s second highest offence.

Another Leaf forward Alex Kerfoot, who will face renewed comparisons to Nazem Kadri now that the latter has won a Cup after they were swapped for each other, is also trade bait. As with Nylander, he does not lack for contributions as a Leaf, but poses an attractive deal for a team, especially one near the cap floor that could handle his $3.5 million on their books, yet pay him just $750,000 in real dollars.


No matter how it’s accomplished, Dubas must get a goalie of consequence, either out-bid teams such as Washington and Edmonton for Kuemper or deal for a proven stopper such as Anaheim’s John Gibson.

Defenceman Ilya Lyubushkin and forward Colin Blackwell are also pending UFAs, though the $3.8 million gained for this year and next when Dubas wrote off goalie Petr Mrazek in a trade to Chicago can be partly used to keep them in house.

Dubas is also negotiating with restricted free agents, first trying to assure defenceman Rasmus Sandin he’s still part of the long term plan, settling with winger Pierre Engvall once the club submits a qualifying offer of $1.25 million on Monday. But they could lose winger Ondrej Kase, their Bill Masterton Trophy nominee, in the same manner he was made available by Boston. His concussion history makes him questionable to bring back as an RFA, with arbitration rights that could drive up his price.


The Leafs will soon announce details of their development camp with a few of this week’s draft picks, previous selections, young members of the AHL Marlies and some invitees not picked at the draft whom Toronto expressed interest.
The sacrificial lamb is Dubas. What he does in the next four days will likely determine his fate with the organisation.
 
Could've traded for Gibson (or whomever) for several days now, so I assume we're going the free agent route for goaltending. Unless of course that doesn't pan out, in which case circle back to the trade route.
What they don’t need is for Campbell’s agent to get Dubas in a bidding war with himself.
 
Campbell(3M)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby(1M)

Rielly-Subban(1.5M)
Sandin(1.4M)-Brodie
Muzzin-Giordano
Holl-Liljegren
Lyubushkin?
**
Mrazek (out)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby (in)
Subban & Sandin (add)

We run the same defense core & goalie that gave us a solid series VS Tampa Bay plus the addition of Sandin & replacing Lyubushkin for any RFA defenseman unless we can find a way to keep him on the Marlies roster until the playoffs...he played solid and gave 100%, good depth player.

Personally I'd love too see P.K Subban in a Leafs Jersey if he's willing to sign a 1-year deal, adds the grit & personality we lost from Kadri.

Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Radulov(1.5M)-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev(2.1)-Engvall(1.6)-Kase(1.4)
Bunting-Kampf-Brown(1M)
Clifford-Steeves-Simminds
Anderson
**
Kerfoot, Blackwell & Spezza (out)
Steeves, Anderson & Robertson (in)
Radulov & Brown (add)
 
Campbell(3M)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby(1M)

Rielly-Subban(1.5M)
Sandin(1.4M)-Brodie
Muzzin-Giordano
Holl-Liljegren
Lyubushkin?
**
Mrazek (out)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby (in)
Subban & Sandin (add)

We run the same defense core & goalie that gave us a solid series VS Tampa Bay plus the addition of Sandin & replacing Lyubushkin for any RFA defenseman unless we can find a way to keep him on the Marlies roster until the playoffs...he played solid and gave 100%, good depth player.

Personally I'd love too see P.K Subban in a Leafs Jersey if he's willing to sign a 1-year deal, adds the grit & personality we lost from Kadri.

Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Radulov(1.5M)-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev(2.1)-Engvall(1.6)-Kase(1.4)
Bunting-Kampf-Brown(1M)
Clifford-Steeves-Simminds
Anderson
**
Kerfoot, Blackwell & Spezza (out)
Steeves, Anderson & Robertson (in)
Radulov & Brown (add)
Does that fit under the cap? Even if it does, they’re not signing Mik to 2.1 and Campbell would have been signed long ago at 3 million.
 
Campbell(3M)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby(1M)

Rielly-Subban(1.5M)
Sandin(1.4M)-Brodie
Muzzin-Giordano
Holl-Liljegren
Lyubushkin?
**
Mrazek (out)
Halak, Koskinen or Holtby (in)
Subban & Sandin (add)

We run the same defense core & goalie that gave us a solid series VS Tampa Bay plus the addition of Sandin & replacing Lyubushkin for any RFA defenseman unless we can find a way to keep him on the Marlies roster until the playoffs...he played solid and gave 100%, good depth player.

Personally I'd love too see P.K Subban in a Leafs Jersey if he's willing to sign a 1-year deal, adds the grit & personality we lost from Kadri.

Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Radulov(1.5M)-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev(2.1)-Engvall(1.6)-Kase(1.4)
Bunting-Kampf-Brown(1M)
Clifford-Steeves-Simminds
Anderson
**
Kerfoot, Blackwell & Spezza (out)
Steeves, Anderson & Robertson (in)
Radulov & Brown (add)
Dear lord
 
He also said they were fine going with Mrazek as the starter just before they paid somebody else to take him.

It is always interesting when fans want to know all the plans of the team. (Even if costs the team penalties for tampering.)

And my guess is he has several if, else plans.

One thing we do know, they'll have a goaltender in net this year.

Kind of like "your choice of giving special occasion" when you don't know what's coming, but know there is something.

TBH for entertainment on both the ice and these boards, Kallgren and Woll ... oh the meltdowns there'd be.

 
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Holl + Sandin + 2nd for Grubauer $2 million retained. Seattle has lots of cap space.

Kerfoot for Talbot salaries are pretty equal.. talbot is ufa after 1 year so min committment but move the money to a position of need.

Roll a Grubauer/Talbot combo and hope for the best.

Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Xxxxx. Tavares. Nylander
Robertson xxxxxx Xxxxxx
Clifford. Kamlf Engvall
Simmonds

Rielly. Brodie
Gio. Luby
Muzzin lily


Grubauer
Talbot
 
Of rumours are true that the Flyers are trying to trade Provorov and his 6.75mil x 3 years.....I think that'd be a great shakeup to ship them Nylander in a 1 for 1. They get 2 more years of Nylander and 6.96mil. I think that'd be a great trade for both sides. Maybe something bigger like Nylander, Holl, Sandin (they have Sandin's older brother Linus) for Provorov & Konecny. Gives us a big shakeup. Makes the D even better, just have to ask Rielly or Gio to play their off-side...and would give us a gritty scoring winger to change the look of our top 6. D core next year of:
Rielly-Brodie
Provorov-Giordano
Muzzin-Liljegren
Would be a super solid unit imo
 
Holl + Sandin + 2nd for Grubauer $2 million retained. Seattle has lots of cap space.

Kerfoot for Talbot salaries are pretty equal.. talbot is ufa after 1 year so min committment but move the money to a position of need.

Roll a Grubauer/Talbot combo and hope for the best.

Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Xxxxx. Tavares. Nylander
Robertson xxxxxx Xxxxxx
Clifford. Kamlf Engvall
Simmonds

Rielly. Brodie
Gio. Luby
Muzzin lily


Grubauer
Talbot

Definitely not really on board with the Grubauer idea myself.

Whatever we do this off-season though, we better not be sitting here again in 12 months wondering who is going to be netminder again.

Sign someone with some term, or acquire someone with multiple years left under contract; we need some stability, at least with our starter, not a continued goalie carousel
 
Does that fit under the cap? Even if it does, they’re not signing Mik to 2.1 and Campbell would have been signed long ago at 3 million.

Yes sir!

Maybe it's not the money on Campbell and possibly the term? Assuming he's looking for a 4-5 year deal and the Leafs only want to give him 2-3Max.

If Mikheyev doesnt sign for 2.1 we give him more money and pass on Dustin Brown.....I hope they can find a way to bring him back, that line was unreal lastyear.

Mikheyev-Engvall-Kase
 
Yes sir!

Maybe it's not the money on Campbell and possibly the term? Assuming he's looking for a 4-5 year deal and the Leafs only want to give him 2-3Max.

If Mikheyev doesnt sign for 2.1 we give him more money and pass on Dustin Brown.....I hope they can find a way to bring him back, that line was unreal lastyear.

Mikheyev-Engvall-Kase
I still think Campbell is going to sign for over 4.5 million.

I also think they need to upgrade that Mik Engvall line with a little more tenacity.

Can they become a contender in the next four days?
 
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Of rumours are true that the Flyers are trying to trade Provorov and his 6.75mil x 3 years.....I think that'd be a great shakeup to ship them Nylander in a 1 for 1. They get 2 more years of Nylander and 6.96mil. I think that'd be a great trade for both sides. Maybe something bigger like Nylander, Holl, Sandin (they have Sandin's older brother Linus) for Provorov & Konecny. Gives us a big shakeup. Makes the D even better, just have to ask Rielly or Gio to play their off-side...and would give us a gritty scoring winger to change the look of our top 6. D core next year of:
Rielly-Brodie
Provorov-Giordano
Muzzin-Liljegren
Would be a super solid unit imo
Sandin is better then Provorov though and costs us less money....that's almost the same deal we did with Kadri, trade someone for a fancy name aka Tavares only to cost us an extra 5.5M

Not trying to be rude but Kyle needs to make sure he's adding to our roster from last season and not subtracting.
 
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Sandin is better then Provorov though and costs us less money....that's almost the same deal we did with Kadri, trade someone who for a fancy name aka Tavares only to cost us an extra 5.5M

Not trying to be rude but Kyle needs to make sure he's adding to our roster from last season and not subtracting.
Sandin is better than Provorov? With all due respect that is an absolutely insane take... :/
 
As far as I see it, the mirage this year for us, that cost us a second round birth, was our bottom 6 forward group.

I’m looking for a total overhaul this off-season.

Keep Kampf - ideally as 4C. And build out the rest with players who refuse to lose, bring some different elements.
 
I’d actually be totally fine with none of them being back. They had good regular seasons, but what did they really do for us in the playoffs…

I’m definitely not giving Mikheyev the 4.75-5.5m he’s looking for

Ooouf yeah If Mikheyev is asking for 4.750-5.5M that's a hard pass lol, wish him the best though.

They did everything we needed from our 3rd line....none of them went minus other then Kase(PK) and they still put up respectable points per game....probably our best 3rd line in a long time too be honest.

Sandin is better than Provorov? With all due respect that is an absolutely insane take... :/
100%

Sandin will be our best defenseman in a few years so ask yourself this question, is Provorov better then Rielly....hell no lol
 
Ooouf yeah If Mikheyev is asking for 4.750-5.5M that's a hard pass lol, wish him the best though.

They did everything we needed from our 3rd line....none of them went minus other then Kase(PK) and they still put up respectable points per game....probably our best 3rd line in a long time too be honest.

In the regular season they were good. They ghosted us in the playoffs though. Particularly after game 2. You really need depth scoring if you’re going to win a series and we got absolutely nothing in I believe the last 4 games of the series. That falls mostly on these 3.

Tampa’s third line destroyed ours
 
Definitely not really on board with the Grubauer idea myself.

Whatever we do this off-season though, we better not be sitting here again in 12 months wondering who is going to be netminder again.

Sign someone with some term, or acquire someone with multiple years left under contract; we need some stability, at least with our starter, not a continued goalie carousel

Unless Dubas has something in the works that is completely out of the box, I am pretty worried about what our goalie situation will be.

Maybe try same deal for Gibson. Not sure how much better he is than Grubauer. I think the Ducks would want a lot more and prob have less cap space than Seattle.

I think unless we can get someone who is legit a number 1, anything we do is a bandaide. I cannot see us getting a stud via trade so we are looking at a reclaimation project not matter what we do.

If we sign a ufa we will need to pay more than we want. If we trade, we may be able to move out a player we dont want and possibly get some retention which is why i think the trade route makes more sense for us.

Grubauer with $2 millon retained is $3.9 million cap hit. Move out Holl is another $2 million cap space.

Kerfoot and Talbot are a wash cap wise pretty much so we get rid kerfoot and shift his cap to goalie.

~$7.5 for 2 goalies who prob better than what we have had in a while is not terrible.

I think keumper will want $5+ , campbell is sounding like in the world as well, and others are also going to be costly.

This may not be ideal but it may be the best of the sucky options to get us through a few years until a long term solution presents itself.
 
In the regular season they were good. They ghosted us in the playoffs though. Particularly after game 2. You really need depth scoring if you’re going to win a series and we got absolutely nothing in I believe the last 4 games of the series. That falls mostly on these 3.

Tampa’s third line destroyed ours

Go look at Tampa Bay and Colorado and tell me how good there depth scoring was....facts are Mikheyev, Kase and Engvall were just as good I'f not better then both those teams options.
 
Unless Dubas has something in the works that is completely out of the box, I am pretty worried about what our goalie situation will be.

Maybe try same deal for Gibson. Not sure how much better he is than Grubauer. I think the Ducks would want a lot more and prob have less cap space than Seattle.

I think unless we can get someone who is legit a number 1, anything we do is a bandaide. I cannot see us getting a stud via trade so we are looking at a reclaimation project not matter what we do.

If we sign a ufa we will need to pay more than we want. If we trade, we may be able to move out a player we dont want and possibly get some retention which is why i think the trade route makes more sense for us.

Grubauer with $2 millon retained is $3.9 million cap hit. Move out Holl is another $2 million cap space.

Kerfoot and Talbot are a wash cap wise pretty much so

I’m just thinking retention costs assets, Seattle isn’t really deep enough anywhere organizationally to just give players away, so the acquisition cost there probably doesn’t make sense as he’s more valuable to them than arguably anywhere else.

And if I’m being honest, despite cap hurdles we are always navigating, I take 5m Campbell over 3.9m Grubauer pretty easily.

That also then leaves us free to more Kerfoots cap for ideally multiple bottom 6 upgrades.

Go look at Tampa Bay and Colorado and tell me how good there depth scoring was....facts are Mikheyev, Kase and Engvall were just as good I'f not better then both those teams options.

Not in the playoffs they weren’t.

Nick Paul scored more goals in game 7 alone than Mikheyev has scored in his entire 19 game post season career.

The mismatch in quality of depth is the primary reason we lost in round 1. I don’t even think it’s up for debate.
 
As far as I see it, the mirage this year for us, that cost us a second round birth, was our bottom 6 forward group.

I’m looking for a total overhaul this off-season.

Keep Kampf. And build out the rest with players who refuse to lose, bring some different elements.

Engvall will be back too. TBD on Kase, but I would like him back for the bottom 6 on a different line, but obviously for the right price.
 
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