Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Sypher04]

Engvall will be back too. TBD on Kase, but I would like him back for the bottom 6 on a different line, but obviously for the right price.

And that’s unfortunate. Engvall for about 2 weeks seemed to figure it out, then returned to his gentle giant routine. We need him to play with some bite to his game and actually make his size an asset.

 

[RebuildYear5]

I’m just thinking retention costs assets, Seattle isn’t really deep enough anywhere organizationally to just give players away, so the acquisition cost there probably doesn’t make sense as he’s more valuable to them than arguably anywhere else.

And if I’m being honest, despite cap hurdles we are always navigating, I take 5m Campbell over 3.9m Grubauer pretty easily.

That also then leaves us free to more Kerfoots cap for ideally multiple bottom 6 upgrades.



Not in the playoffs they weren’t.

Nick Paul scored more goals in game 7 alone than Mikheyev has scored in his entire 19 game post season career.

The mismatch in quality of depth is the primary reason we lost in round 1. I don’t even think it’s up for debate.

Nick Paul was also Juiced up that game lol

 

[Nineteen67]

Unless Dubas has something in the works that is completely out of the box, I am pretty worried about what our goalie situation will be.

Maybe try same deal for Gibson. Not sure how much better he is than Grubauer. I think the Ducks would want a lot more and prob have less cap space than Seattle.

I think unless we can get someone who is legit a number 1, anything we do is a bandaide. I cannot see us getting a stud via trade so we are looking at a reclaimation project not matter what we do.

If we sign a ufa we will need to pay more than we want. If we trade, we may be able to move out a player we dont want and possibly get some retention which is why i think the trade route makes more sense for us.

Grubauer with $2 millon retained is $3.9 million cap hit. Move out Holl is another $2 million cap space.

Kerfoot and Talbot are a wash cap wise pretty much so we get rid kerfoot and shift his cap to goalie.

~$7.5 for 2 goalies who prob better than what we have had in a while is not terrible.

I think keumper will want $5+ , campbell is sounding like in the world as well, and others are also going to be costly.

This may not be ideal but it may be the best of the sucky options to get us through a few years until a long term solution presents itself.

Does Minny need another $3.5 million forward? They no cap space and would still need to sign a back up.

 

[The Nic]

I find it a bit odd that the Maple Leafs aren't being associated with any European FAs so far this summer. It seems to me that they've signed one or two players from the various European leagues almost every year since the new management team took over. Not too many of them were keepers ultimately. Mikheyev was undoubtedly the best signing. Zaitsev was useful until they overpaid him. Barabanov started producing well once he got a proper chance to play out in San Jose. God knows they could use another veteran guy coming in on an ELC just about now.

 

[Apex Predator]

Sandin is better then Provorov though and costs us less money....that's almost the same deal we did with Kadri, trade someone for a fancy name aka Tavares only to cost us an extra 5.5M

Not trying to be rude but Kyle needs to make sure he's adding to our roster from last season and not subtracting.

Come on that’s insane! You don’t have to want to trade for him but don’t be ridiculous and say Sandin is better.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Common trades

 

[Nineteen67]

Go look at Tampa Bay and Colorado and tell me how good there depth scoring was....facts are Mikheyev, Kase and Engvall were just as good I'f not better then both those teams options.

Those guys will never be at the level of Perry.

 

[nuck]

Yep. I read where the Devils feel they believe in a "healthy" Blackwood and are sticking with him.

Hmm where have we heard that before.... (cue twilight zone music)

"Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas said Wednesday he's prepared to bank on Mrazek bouncing back to his career averages next season."

 

[Nylander88]

Common trades

This is my mood haha refresh constantly. I think we might be quiet though until free agency opens

 

[Cor]

Thinking about defensive depth, here's a few names I can see us signing to be mainly a press box guy on the back end; Thomas Hickey, Greg Pateryn, Scott Harrington, Chase Priskie, Madison Bowey

I find it a bit odd that the Maple Leafs aren't being associated with any European FAs so far this summer. It seems to me that they've signed one or two players from the various European leagues almost every year since the new management team took over. Not too many of them were keepers ultimately. Mikheyev was undoubtedly the best signing. Zaitsev was useful until they overpaid him. Barabanov started producing well once he got a proper chance to play out in San Jose. God knows they could use another veteran guy coming in on an ELC just about now.

The guy who was responsible for us signing a lot of the Russian/Euro free agents left the management team at the end of this season.

Not to say it won't happen, but I imagine it'll be quiet this off-season on that.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Thinking about defensive depth, here's a few names I can see us signing to be mainly a press box guy on the back end; Thomas Hickey, Greg Pateryn, Scott Harrington, Chase Priskie, Madison Bowey



The guy who was responsible for us signing a lot of the Russian/Euro free agents left the management team at the end of this season.

Not to say it won't happen, but I imagine it'll be quiet this off-season on that.

Bowey, Pateryn and Priskie make sense as guys to put in the AHL. Not sure any of them are #7 on a team like ours, and we don't need LHD.

 

[nuck]

Holl + Sandin + 2nd for Grubauer $2 million retained. Seattle has lots of cap space.

Kerfoot for Talbot salaries are pretty equal.. talbot is ufa after 1 year so min committment but move the money to a position of need.

Roll a Grubauer/Talbot combo and hope for the best.

Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Xxxxx. Tavares. Nylander
Robertson xxxxxx Xxxxxx
Clifford. Kamlf Engvall
Simmonds

Rielly. Brodie
Gio. Luby
Muzzin lily


Grubauer
Talbot

I would do this in a second. Grubauer has had one statistically poor year as the go-to guy on an expansion club, So long as there are no injury or lifestyle issues he should be an automatic bounce back. Not sure Kerf doesn't have to be in there somewhere as his salary after the Leafs pay his bonus would help mitigate the retention ask.

Bedard sweepstakes Ronnie don't let your club play you out of a top 2 pic!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

And that’s unfortunate. Engvall for about 2 weeks seemed to figure it out, then returned to his gentle giant routine. We need him to play with some bite to his game and actually make his size an asset.

Engvall had it figured out for a lot more than 2 weeks. He had it figured out for most of the season.

He was an excellent shut down player. Used his speed and reach to cover a lot of ice. That is using his size as an asset.

Not everyone needs to have bite to their game. They need to work hard and be useful. Engvall does that on the shutdown line.

 

[Fogelhund]

So is Kuemper and Murray our only 2 options for a starting goalie next year? Most of the goalies I saw available look like backup goalies at best.

Or a trade.

 

[ULF_55]

And that’s unfortunate. Engvall for about 2 weeks seemed to figure it out, then returned to his gentle giant routine. We need him to play with some bite to his game and actually make his size an asset.

I think Engvall can't be the tough guy on his line.
I think Engvall could follow a tough guy.

 

[showtime8]

I find it a bit odd that the Maple Leafs aren't being associated with any European FAs so far this summer. It seems to me that they've signed one or two players from the various European leagues almost every year since the new management team took over. Not too many of them were keepers ultimately. Mikheyev was undoubtedly the best signing. Zaitsev was useful until they overpaid him. Barabanov started producing well once he got a proper chance to play out in San Jose. God knows they could use another veteran guy coming in on an ELC just about now.

I'm not sure if any of the sanctions on the KHL or Russian players is making it a year where they might be forced to pass on those guys.

 

[Nineteen67]

I would do this in a second. Grubauer has had one statistically poor year as the go-to guy on an expansion club, So long as there are no injury or lifestyle issues he should be an automatic bounce back. Not sure Kerf doesn't have to be in there somewhere as his salary after the Leafs pay his bonus would help mitigate the retention ask.

Bedard sweepstakes Ronnie don't let your club play you out of a top 2 pic!

I was thinking the bonus were paid on FA day, but they’ve probably already been paid on July 1st. Kerfoot has a real salary of under 800k.

 

[Sypher04]

I think Engvall can't be the tough guy on his line.
I think Engvall could follow a tough guy.

That’s potentially a fair viewpoint. I’d be willing to try that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Engvall had it figured out for a lot more than 2 weeks. He had it figured out for most of the season.

He was an excellent shut down player. Used his speed and reach to cover a lot of ice. That is using his size as an asset.

Not everyone needs to have bite to their game. They need to work hard and be useful. Engvall does that on the shutdown line.

On a cup contending team everyone has to have bite.

 

[Sypher04]

Engvall had it figured out for a lot more than 2 weeks. He had it figured out for most of the season.

He was an excellent shut down player. Used his speed and reach to cover a lot of ice. That is using his size as an asset.

Not everyone needs to have bite to their game. They need to work hard and be useful. Engvall does that on the shutdown line.

I was exaggerating a little bit when I said 2 weeks but either way I don’t really fully agree. He figured out some things at different points of the season, but it really only seemed to come together post deadline and it didn’t last imo.

And I’m definitely not saying everyone needs to have bite. But I think in your bottom 6 they need play with a little more fire than how passively Engvall generally does.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

On a cup contending team everyone has to have bite.

No, they really don't.

They do need to be good players though. Which makes having guys like Simmonds and Clifford in our lineup fairly concerning.

 

[Sypher04]

No, they really don't.

They do need to be good players though. Which makes having guys like Simmonds and Clifford in our lineup fairly concerning.

I will definitely grant you that Simmonds and Clifford and even spezza this past year were much bigger issues. I’m willing to try adding more fire/bite to the line at center and the other wing. If you can do that, then you can mitigate the lack of it in engvalls game and I think you’re then fine, because he’s still a useful player, particularly on the pk

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[Sypher04]

Jack potentially going to Edmonton makes me wanna puke little bit. For a team whose fanbase hates everything Toronto so much, they sure do love going after our players lol

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

The max I'd be willing to give Campbell is 4 X 4. Anything more is way too risky. I'm pretty sure the OIlers will offer 5M+ per for 5-6 years. We won't be able to beat it and we shouldn't even consider offer anything more.