Dr Johnny Fever
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Are you guys telling me you want to keep Dumo and trade either Zell or Minty?
Speculation: 2025 Trade/Free Agency Thread
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LeBrun is a Clown
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Not generally but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility. It would really depend on what you're getting for them. Trading them asside, you have to really consider the viability long term of a D core with all of the following: Lacombe, Minty, Zell, and Luneau. That's a lot of offensive minded guys, doesn't mean some of them, or all, can't develop like Lacombe has for a 2 way game but we also have Solberg well on the left side. He actually projects well to replace Dumoulin on a short deal.
Terry Yake
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no, but i'm assuming one will get shipped out eventually regardless of what happens with dumo
Zegs2sendhelp
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I think everyone agrees with that... most people imagine if Rantanen is traded its going to allow extention talk
Zegs2sendhelp
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Really depends on what were getting back in the trade.
Im okay trading a young dmen for forward help... and in that scenario im perfectly okay bringing Dumo back as a 6/7 guy... might actually be a really good partner for Luneau
I feel like Helleson makes this awkward tho(in a good way).... trade zellweger and have
Lacombe Gudas
Mintyukov Trouba
Dumolin Luneau/Helleson
next year.
MCB
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Talk about trading one of our young defensemen is giving me flashbacks, I get we will be too crowded on the left side and have to trade someone, I just hope this time around we don't trade away the Theodores and Montours of this group. (And vatanen I guess)
Zellweger is the second best puck mover on defense behind LaCombe. He's also 21. Dumoulin will be 34 at the start of next season. Why would the Ducks move a young defenseman to make room for a 34 defenseman? Doesn't really make sense
dracom
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we should only move Zell/Minty if a bonafide 1st line forward is coming back that fits the age of the core and is signed long term. If that deal isn't there, then Dumo needs to be moved or just let him walk in free agency.
robbieboy3686
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Maybe he/family just dont want to live in more rural areas anymore
Rhats who I would chose for sure
I’d prefer only trading one of our young LHD for a similarly young power forward…. like a Cozens type. Unfortunately we aren’t a fit as they are looking for a RHD, but I’d prefer a younger and non-max contract so we don’t regret it like Nashville is with Stamkos and JM.
Rantanen isn’t going to resign with us, or it would be an absurd overpay where he wouldn’t be able to live up to his prior performance without having a top 2 centerman in the league. We mind as well try to take a run at him in the offseason and not give up big asset…. It’s not like we are legitimate cup contenders with a closing window (like the desperate Oilers). I know we all want to have a miracle and make the playoffs this year but even with Rantanen it’s likely we get knocked out in the first round in 5 games with an anemic power play.
One player that I know isn’t a popular choice is Kotkaniemi. Hes a big center who has been over 50% on faceoffs for 4 seasons, and is just 24. We can afford a 4.82 M contract and he might be able to be like a Strome type of player. I still think a swap of Gibby+Leason for JK+Kochetkov makes sense. There aren’t many big young centers available on teams that might be looking for a goalie upgrade or insurance.
Rantanen isn’t going to resign with us, or it would be an absurd overpay where he wouldn’t be able to live up to his prior performance without having a top 2 centerman in the league. We mind as well try to take a run at him in the offseason and not give up big asset…. It’s not like we are legitimate cup contenders with a closing window (like the desperate Oilers). I know we all want to have a miracle and make the playoffs this year but even with Rantanen it’s likely we get knocked out in the first round in 5 games with an anemic power play.
One player that I know isn’t a popular choice is Kotkaniemi. Hes a big center who has been over 50% on faceoffs for 4 seasons, and is just 24. We can afford a 4.82 M contract and he might be able to be like a Strome type of player. I still think a swap of Gibby+Leason for JK+Kochetkov makes sense. There aren’t many big young centers available on teams that might be looking for a goalie upgrade or insurance.
I previously liked Othmann and Mcgroarty but their stock have fallen… now I think Zellweger has proven to be more valuable. But I think the realistic return if we wanted to move a LHD would be someone like Othmann. I dunno… I’d prefer to keep our boys…
Terry Yake
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i don't think anyone is expecting them to trade mintyukov or zellwegger in order to keep dumo. just that one of those two could be used in a trade down the road for a forward
I don't think anyone is suggesting we move Zelly or Minty just to move them or in order to keep Dumo. Just that IF they can be used to grab a top flight forward than it could make sense.
You took the words out of my mouth lol
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Dr Johnny Fever
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I'm not opposed to trading most anybody at the right time and for the right reasons. But you both made your comments immediately after a post where Dumo expresses his desire to stick around. It sounded almost like you were trying to accommodate keeping Dumo by moving out one of Minty or Zell.
Given how poorly I feel Minty and Zell have been developed I'd hate to see either traded now without knowing which is the ultimate better fit here. And I'd really hate to see us move one of those guys because Cronin thinks Dumo is a great vet presence. (Nothing against Dumo.)
The same coach who loves his 4th liners now is in love with a bottom pair D. Great.
Hockey Duckie
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The difference between consistent playoffs team and inconsistent playoff teams comes down to quality depth. We are still trying to develop that depth with the youth group. Why are we so eager to kickout any of the youth group, especially 21 year old D-men breaking in?
We are in year 3 of the reset rebuild. If we want to have an extended playoff window, then we need to be keeping and developing our youths than getting rid of them in favor of players in their twilight. LaCombe, who recently turned 24 years old in January, has surpassed every defenseman on our roster. Zell and Minty are only 21 years old. The growth from both between age 21 to 24 could be huge in three years. Dumo will be 36 years old in three years. Choosing Dumo over Minty or Zell means losing a valuable piece of an extended playoff window. Plus, Minty and Zell don't possess a high trade capital today.
With that said, defensemen will take time to develop, adapt, and, hopefully thrive at the NHL level. And we do not know how long a development path each youth D needs, but we do know they need time to develop. Even if we somehow not make the playoffs and win the lottery to nab LD Schaefer, Schaefer will probably need a couple of years to adapt physically and to NHL play, at a minimum.
We are going to lose Gudas after 2025-26. That becomes an extra slot available. We don't know if we are extending Trouba. Fortunately, Zell can play both LD and RD. IIRC, whenever Zell and Dumo are paired, Zell plays RD recently. Earlier in the season, games 16-23, Zell played RD with LaCombe.
We are in year 3 of the reset rebuild. If we want to have an extended playoff window, then we need to be keeping and developing our youths than getting rid of them in favor of players in their twilight. LaCombe, who recently turned 24 years old in January, has surpassed every defenseman on our roster. Zell and Minty are only 21 years old. The growth from both between age 21 to 24 could be huge in three years. Dumo will be 36 years old in three years. Choosing Dumo over Minty or Zell means losing a valuable piece of an extended playoff window. Plus, Minty and Zell don't possess a high trade capital today.
With that said, defensemen will take time to develop, adapt, and, hopefully thrive at the NHL level. And we do not know how long a development path each youth D needs, but we do know they need time to develop. Even if we somehow not make the playoffs and win the lottery to nab LD Schaefer, Schaefer will probably need a couple of years to adapt physically and to NHL play, at a minimum.
We are going to lose Gudas after 2025-26. That becomes an extra slot available. We don't know if we are extending Trouba. Fortunately, Zell can play both LD and RD. IIRC, whenever Zell and Dumo are paired, Zell plays RD recently. Earlier in the season, games 16-23, Zell played RD with LaCombe.
That's fair, absolutely agree that you don't move them to keep Dumo. But if a deal for the right forward becomes available and the cost is one of those 2, well you still have Lacombe and the other 1 plus a short term vet who actually wants to be here. Worse decisions could be made.
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Yeah, I think this is the play. Trade one of Minty/Zell, you can keep Dumoulin unless you get overwhelmed by a trade offer, and you have Luneau coming up next year.
I love the idea of keeping both Mintyukov and Zellweger, but Dumuolin is a nice 3rd pairing guy for the next 2-3 years. If you can package one of those youngsters for an upgrade at forward, I think it makes sense. Then hopefully Stolberg or Tarin Smith is ready to take over for Dumuolin when he retires or moves on.
This is all made possible by LaCombe being a stud.
This is all made possible by LaCombe being a stud.
Hockey Duckie
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LaCombe's play took off moreso once he got consistent playing time after Fowler left. The surprise prospect after LaCombe is Helleson. Unfortunately, Helleson isn't given consistent playing time. Dumo and Helleson are playing the 3rd pairing role as a defensive set. Zell could play LD and Helleson be the shutdown guy. At least then we improve our offensive prowess with Zell on the third line.
If we trade one of our youth D or package them, then it better be for a known, young quantity. I think we are selling low b/c Minty and Zell haven't taken off this season while seeing LaCombe becomes the rocket man. Zell is in his D+4 season and Minty in his D+3 season. Both were CHL defensive players of the year for their respective leagues, Zell grinded for it twice in the WHL, and Zell earning the CHL def player of the year. Maybe they need another season to develop, maybe two seasons. Do the Ducks have to wait four to five more seasons for Solberg and Tarin Smith? To put this into perspective, this is LaCombe's D+6 season.
I believe a better offensive coach would have us producing offense like crazy at even strength (ES) if we move into that direction next season than trying to acquire one and hope that player can fit into a Cronin defense first mentality.
We are only in year 3 of the reset rebuild. I want to continue to develop quality depth and we're not there. The only quality talent that has sprung up in the past three seasons is only LaCombe... and Z for a season until Cronin got to him for the past two seasons. Retaining a player who will be a 34-year old, 3rd pairing D next year over retaining 21-year old developing in the NHL seems like a mismanagement of asset.
I like Dumoulin but keeping him only makes sense if they are specifically planning on using a young defenseman in a trade. It would be a mistake to trade one of them with the intention to keep him because that is bad asset management. Look at the breakout season LaCombe is having. Defenseman take time, and there's real reason to believe they'll improve. IMO, the Ducks will be better long term with Minty and Zellweger unless it's for a true game changer. But virtually everyone's available for that type of move.
