Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Budz]

I hate this Gibson talk. People with no clue clamouring for this bum.

Make it stop.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I’ve heard some horror stories from others about how useless their real estate agent was. I think more people are in it for money now and not as helpful.

Yeah in an inflated market where houses are going for 200k over asking without even needing an auction or open house I don't think they're necessary, in a normal market I can at least see how they could bring value to a buyer/seller looking for something specific. Too many 'real estate entrepreneurs' trying to take their slice of the pie for making a couple TikTok videos of their listings right now.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

So the team in front turned Grubauer into literally the worst goalie in the league? Like I said, they were defensively sound but he couldn't stop a beach ball. Last season could be an aberration for Grubauer but we'll see



Some of that could be true, but it's a ton of risk to take on with Gibson. What we know for sure is that he has not been very good for the last few seasons. What's behind that is anyone's guess, so the cost of acquiring him + contract are not worth it.

FWIW, his teammate, Anthony Stolarz, had pretty decent numbers last year.

Stolarz is brought up a lot, but didn't he also face weaker competition? That would make him look better on paper.

I hate this Gibson talk. People with no clue clamouring for this bum.

Make it stop.

He has the highest upside out of any option available. High risk high reward, might be the right call for a window that is closing soon.

 

[justashadowof]

I’ve heard some horror stories from others about how useless their real estate agent was. I think more people are in it for money now and not as helpful.

Like the tale I heard of a real estate agent who sold a senior's house to an individual in her same community, then that individual flipped the house in under a year. Or my neighbour who went around boasting how he had sold his house and contents to this great young family his agent had found, this great young family never moved in but instead rented the house, happy ending their tenants didn't pay and trashed the place and stole the fixtures and lawn equipment etc.

 

[Beaumaris]

I hate this Gibson talk. People with no clue clamouring for this bum.

Make it stop.

Lol! Who are you?

 

[The Podium]

Probability of this happening is probably less than 0%, but let’s think about it:

Spencer Knight
1 year until RFA

Panthers have Bob @ 10 mill for the next 4 years, likelihood of them shedding that next offseason is low

Florida is already tight to the cap with 700k in cap @ 19 players

Next off-season they’ll have 26 mill to sign a minimum of 7 players, however 1 of those is likely 10 mill for Huberdeau, so 16 mill to sign 6 players with 2 notable RFAs; Knight and Lundell.

I would be Florida wouldn’t be thrilled spending 14-15 mill on goaltending next year, and Zito probably doesn’t want to get caught holding the bag when the cap squeeze pushes some good players out.

Maybe Knight could be had for the right price while his value is high.

 

[Kiwi]

Only in Leafs land could a player who's getting paid high end money and blown chunks for 3 entire seasons have this many people clamoring to give up premium assets to acquire him

I'm supposed to believe this guy is going to come to Toronto, one of the hottest markets in the league and he's going to have a come to Jesus moment and stop sucking?

That's some plan alright

 

[Brobust]

I’m guessing he knows the FA asks by now.

There's probably still some uncertainty. I think they want to know what replacements will cost with certainty before moving someone like Holl or Kerfoot.

Only in Leafs land could a player who's getting paid high end money and blown chunks for 3 entire seasons have this many people clamoring to give up premium assets to acquire him

I'm supposed to believe this guy is going to come to Toronto, one of the hottest markets in the league and he's going to have a come to Jesus moment and stop sucking?

That's some plan alright

If their jobs depended on it, not a single one of them would go for it.

 

[ULF_55]

So the team in front turned Grubauer into literally the worst goalie in the league? Like I said, they were defensively sound but he couldn't stop a beach ball. Last season could be an aberration for Grubauer but we'll see



Some of that could be true, but it's a ton of risk to take on with Gibson. What we know for sure is that he has not been very good for the last few seasons. What's behind that is anyone's guess, so the cost of acquiring him + contract are not worth it.

FWIW, his teammate, Anthony Stolarz, had pretty decent numbers last year.

That's why you go conditional picks.

Pay half upfront, pay half after he delivers.
If they win rounds in the playoffs and he plays he's delivering.

His buyout after 2 years isn't horrible.

 

[weems]

One thing I really think we need to aquire is a very quality depth forward.

When I look at our bottom 6, I dont see one player that can change a game either with gamebreaking high end offensive talent or someone that's a very good physical player with speed.

You get into these long playoff runs and many times in series your top players either get shutdown or are running on fumes and you need someone from your depth to step up and make a play or change the momentum.

Someone that plays similar to Blackwell but is either a little better or bigger/more physical would be a good addition to our team.

 

[ULF_55]

One thing I really think we need to aquire is a very quality depth forward.

When I look at our bottom 6, I dont see one player that can change a game either with gambreaking high end offensive talent or someone that's a very good physical player with speed.

You get into these long playoff runs and many times in series you're top players either get shutdown or are running on fumes and you need someone from your depth to step up and make a play or change the momentum.

Someone that plays similar to Blackwell but is either a little better or bigger/more physical would be a good addition to our team.

I'm hoping they have drafted one player in the past 5 drafts that might do that.

Scouts shouldn't get rewarded for picking in the top 20, they should get fired for not delivering beyond the obvious.

 

[Menzinger]

Murray with 50% retention + sweetener for future considerations, then use the sweetener to get Talbot from the Wild.

Even if something like that doesn't happen seems more and more likely trade is the way the team will be going. Just a matter of who their target will be

 

[MarMarSab3]

Murray with 50% retention + sweetener for future considerations, then use the sweetener to get Talbot from the Wild.

Even if something like that doesn't happen seems more and more likely trade is the way the team will be going. Just a matter of who their target will be

I like your thinking

 

[Menzinger]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

Eh I'd be reluctant to give Campbell the new Husso contracts let alone him. The swings can take the risk because they don't care how good they'll be over the next couple seasons anyways

 

[ToneDog]

I hate this Gibson talk. People with no clue clamouring for this bum.

Make it stop.

I do not see Gibson here but it sure beats hearing talk about Allen, Murray and Talbot.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

I do not see Gibson here but it sure beats hearing talk about Allen, Murray and Talbot.

His stats on a bad team are ugly, but he easily has the highest upside of anyone available including free agents. If we get him with retention it's worth the risk imo but it seems like Dubas isn't even considering this as an option so it's a moot point anyways.

 

[Menzinger]

I think the trade was good under the circumstances and dubas had to fix a mistake so options are limited
All reports were fleury would have signed with us. Talk to his agent and give him a good offer. I know you can’t sign him but you can make contact and have a wink wink deal in place. Offer Guerin a third for his rights. Lots you could have done.

Offer a third to St. Louis and sign husso.

Why keep a third in a poor draft year when you desperately need goaltending. The guy we picked could bust or not be ready for 3 or 4 years from now.

What we did was get rid of our only goalie and let the league know here we are take advantage

I used to sell cars at one time. When someone came in and said my car died I need a new one I got every penny I could because his options were nil.

When someone came in and said I’m just looking there is nothing wrong with my car , I negotiated and he got a better price.

You can't talk with Flurey yet without permission and it was pretty early he wanted to stay in Minnesota - hence he wasted no time waiting to get to free agency.

 

[Stephen]

Eh I'd be reluctant to give Campbell the new Husso contracts let alone him. The swings can take the risk because they don't care how good they'll be over the next couple seasons anyways

Doesn’t seem like the Leafs are in control of the market in terms of AAV and candidate anymore so instead of looking for the perfect bargain it seems like you just want to find the right dance partner and call it a day.

 

[FlareKnight]

I do not see Gibson here but it sure beats hearing talk about Allen, Murray and Talbot.

Gibson doesn't seem likely to happen. But yeah, I think that's the main issue. Great we can get back to talking about other terrible options. Not seeing a lot of suggestions about good ways to get out of this offseason in a good position in net. Not a lot to be hyped about when it comes to those three in particular either.

At least with Gibson we can momentarily convince ourselves that it could work. Not that I think it would, but hey it's something. I'd love to hype up the possibility of an option that doesn't immediately on our radar. But right now these are the options floating around (Campbell, Varlamov, Gibson, Kuemper, Allen, Murray, Talbot, etc).

 

[The Podium]

Sandin + Robertson for Knight? Too much? Too little?

 

[thusk]

So the team in front turned Grubauer into literally the worst goalie in the league? Like I said, they were defensively sound but he couldn't stop a beach ball. Last season could be an aberration for Grubauer but we'll see



Some of that could be true, but it's a ton of risk to take on with Gibson. What we know for sure is that he has not been very good for the last few seasons. What's behind that is anyone's guess, so the cost of acquiring him + contract are not worth it.

FWIW, his teammate, Anthony Stolarz, had pretty decent numbers last year.

Seattle was awful first 2-3-4 month of season defensivly, when you lost your confidence and still losing most of the time... pretty hard to get your confidence back.


Stolarz played 12 of his 23 start against bottom 10 team of the league... in 56 game gibso played 13 against those team...Gibson played 77% of game against top 20 team in the club ( highest amount all starting NHL goalie)

For me Campbell still more risky with health issues and struggle despite playing in a good winning team

Kuemper with all healt issues still more risky

Blackwood who never prove he can be a starting goalie is more risky

Murray : with all his health issues and struggles, hes risky...

The reality Gibson is probably safer leafs option

 

[ToneDog]

Sandin + Robertson for Knight? Too much? Too little?

Too, too little IMO. Panthers would have to be in a huge jam to move him. It would have to be similar situation as the Canucks were with Luongo and Schnieder.

Seattle was awful first 2-3-4 month of season defensivly, when you lost your confidence and still losing most of the time... pretty hard to get your confidence back.


Stolarz played 12 of his 23 start against bottom 10 team of the league... in 56 game gibso played 13 against those team...Gibson played 77% of game against top 20 team in the club ( highest amount all starting NHL goalie)

For me Campbell still more risky with health issues and struggle despite playing in a good winning team

Kuemper with all healt issues still more risky

Blackwood who never prove he can be a starting goalie is more risky

Murray : with all his health issues and struggles, hes risky...

The reality Gibson is probably safer leafs option

With everything being equal, Gibson is our best bet. However with 5x6.4m remaining on his contract and the cost to acquire him, I am not rolling the dice that he is elite here.

 

[showtime8]

They've cleared 3.8 towards their next goalie.

Which was a great move, but they can also clear more to add in free agency at lower rates and different styles of players.

 

[RaptorLeaf13]

I don’t think Gibson is the answer especially with the price to get him. He is such a huge risk based on his play lately.

Wish we could go after a goaltender like jake oettinger from Dallas. Not sure what the cost would be. Another option would be Jacob Markstrom. Probably make it a blockbuster to include Tkachuck. Leafs would have to give up Nylander +++____
Anyways, just my thoughts.

 

[Duffman955]

We should get Helly from the jets