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Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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showtime8 said:
I don't get why there is such a dilemma with looking to acquire an actual #1 goaltender.

Gibson is the answer, plain and simple.

All of the other moves all seem to keep the Leafs in the same boat as before. Kuemper is a 32 year old #1B that was carried by a very good Colorado team. Greiss is 36 and might be a 25-30 game back-up at this point. Similar to Talbot in Minnesota. If he was the #1, they wouldn't have traded for Fleury at the deadline and then re-signed him. Martin Jones has fallen off a cliff since his playoff performance that took San Jose to the cup finals. Holtby is a good back-up.

Campbell is the wildcard at this point because he had a great stretch, wants to be a #1, but hasn't given the Leafs that big save when they need it in either series.

Pay the assets and we stop having this conversation for the next 2-4 years.
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Why do you say "plain and simple"? You know for a fact that it will cost assets to move him plus his salary is high up there.

I see nothing but challenges and extra cap gymnastics in order to ice Gibson and a full roster of players.
 
Ianturnedbull said:
Why do you say "plain and simple"? You know for a fact that it will cost assets to move him plus his salary is high up there.

I see nothing but challenges and extra cap gymnastics in order to ice Gibson and a full roster of players.
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It's plain and simple that he should be the only choice.

If you subtract Kerfoot and Holl's contracts, that essentially is Gibson's contract.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
Wow what a necessary job a car salesman is, society would crumble without you taking advantage of people in desperate situations.
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What a stupid ignorant reply. The world is full of jobs where people get taken advantage of. Selling cars is a negotiation and sometimes either side wins. Grocery stores,energy companies,bell,Rogers,government , and many other companies all gouge people with their high prices.

I mentioned that dubas has now taken away all his negotiating power and you took from that was I was taking advantage of people.

Sad!
 
Bigmarycombo said:
What a stupid ignorant reply. The world is full of jobs where people get taken advantage of. Selling cars is a negotiation and sometimes either side wins. Grocery stores,energy companies,bell,Rogers,government , and many other companies all gouge people with their high prices.

I mentioned that dubas has now taken away all his negotiating power and you took from that was I was taking advantage of people.

Sad!
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I wouldn’t call it a stupid ignorant reply when you openly admitted to taking advantage of desperate people.

Takes a bad person to do that, truly awful person to brag about it
 
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The Podium said:
I wouldn’t call it a stupid ignorant reply when you openly admitted to taking advantage of desperate people.

Takes a bad person to do that, truly awful person to brag about it
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At least he isn't a pharmaceutical rep.

"You should have seen how much I managed to gouge from that family with the sick kid, they had absolutely 0 leverage!"
 
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i go camping away from the world for 2 weeks and miss all the fun. at least i get to see the jays draft.

so the sky's falling because he was able to get rid of the guy everyone said he would have to pay out of the nose to or have to buy out(moved back a dozen spots). now we are goalie less ( lets not forget kallgren pretty much kept this team afloat when jack and petri could stop a 6'x6' boulderfrom december to march) didn't trade for vanacek or husso or get fleury

didn't draft the guys they wanted

didn't trade kerfoot/holl/muzzin/nylander for futures or package

along those lines?
 
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showtime8 said:
It's plain and simple that he should be the only choice.

If you subtract Kerfoot and Holl's contracts, that essentially is Gibson's contract.
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Why not preface it by saying: "if it were my choice", or "in my opinion". ^this kind of thing makes it seem like a consensus or the fact that there are no other opinions/options.

Ridding Kerf and Holl is part of it, but then you're losing 2 roster players. I don't think there's enough talent on the Marlies to fill those spots.
 
Campbell/Kuemper/Talbot
Kallgren/Wedgewood/Blackwood
Woll

Rather go with one of these options than give up assets for Gibson.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
Wow what a necessary job a car salesman is, society would crumble without you taking advantage of people in desperate situations.
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To be fair, if they don't sell and make as much money as possible they're fired.

I wouldn't want that job, I don't like lying.

If people buy a good make they don't have to go back for 10 - 20 years. I have a 20 year old and a 11 year old Toyota. I'd really like to get a new one but no way am I dealing with these people when there's a shortage. I'll go back next year if there is no shortage otherwise I'll wait another year.

So I'm not a good customer for car salesmen, as they're likely long gone before I'm back again.
 
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ToneDog said:
If you can make the money work. That would seriously give Leaf fans something to look forward to.
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2023 1st + Sandin + kerfoot for Gibson 900k ret.
Sign Nichushkin 5.5 x 7. Robertson fills in for kerfoot, resign Engvall 1.5, 1 mill 4c .
 
showtime8 said:
I would disagree with this point, but you're welcome to your opinion. My counter would be that if Talbot was the 1A, they wouldn't have tried to bring in anyone at the deadline. Colorado didn't bring anyone in and they actually re-signed Francouz. Tampa the same thing. They don't have to worry about who the #1 guy is.

Talbot is a good goaltender that can work in tandem and hopefully he would get hot around playoff time or a stretch during the year. I also worry that he's 35 and the Leafs are looking for a #1 goaltender a year from now.
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I can understand Fleury being an obvious upgrade on Talbot for MIN. He'd represent a lower risk option for the Leafs that could probably be had for a reasonable cost in trade. That said, I'm still hopeful of the team having other irons in the fire ahead of going down this path.
 
ULF_55 said:
To be fair, if they don't sell and make as much money as possible they're fired.

I wouldn't want that job, I don't like lying.

If people buy a good make they don't have to go back for 10 - 20 years. I have a 20 year old and a 11 year old Toyota. I'd really like to get a new one but no way am I dealing with these people when there's a shortage. I'll go back next year if there is no shortage otherwise I'll wait another year.

So I'm not a good customer for car salesmen, as they're likely long gone before I'm back again.
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It's a job that adds 0 value to the customer, they just extract money from buyers to put into their own pocket. At least a real estate agent provides value for their commission, going through a car salesman has no benefit over buying direct from a manufacturer or second hand.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
It's a job that adds 0 value to the customer, they just extract money from buyers to put into their own pocket. At least a real estate agent provides value for their commission, going through a car salesman has no benefit over buying direct from a manufacturer or second hand.
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I’ve heard some horror stories from others about how useless their real estate agent was. I think more people are in it for money now and not as helpful.
 
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thusk said:
Driedger was very good in florida, grubauer was very good in Colorado, they both moved in seattle and both was trash... but the problem was poor goaltending... maybe the problem is not goaltending bu the team in front..
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So the team in front turned Grubauer into literally the worst goalie in the league? Like I said, they were defensively sound but he couldn't stop a beach ball. Last season could be an aberration for Grubauer but we'll see

thusk said:
Ducks was the worst team in the league at the same level of detroit last 4 years ...

I think some people here think goalie are kind a robot without any kind of feeling... thinking goalie will play same way in front a team playing 1 good game every 8 game than in a team who playing 1 bad game every 8 game.


What real human do
-Playing harder in a competitive team than a bottom league team.

- be mentally stronger and more confident by winning game than losing game whatever what kind of stats you get.

-get much more motivation to come to arena play hockey and have fun unstead of losing all fun by being destroy every 2 game...

-lost faith in your team when they played like trash and losing and get confident about youre teammate when they playing great hockey and winning
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Some of that could be true, but it's a ton of risk to take on with Gibson. What we know for sure is that he has not been very good for the last few seasons. What's behind that is anyone's guess, so the cost of acquiring him + contract are not worth it.

FWIW, his teammate, Anthony Stolarz, had pretty decent numbers last year.
 
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