Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[BertCorbeau]

Why give up assets if you can resign Soup for 5+x5 ? I like Gibson, I do not like the cap hit or what is required to acquire him.

Oh I agree.. I don’t think Gibson is the best option because he hasn’t had a strong
year in a few seasons and then you’re giving assets to take that risk on.

But what those assets are would be interesting to know.

 

[Torontonian]

Why give up assets if you can resign Soup for 5+x5 ? I like Gibson, I do not like the cap hit or what is required to acquire him.

Because Campbell crumbled in his first actual season as a starter, he made the all star team yes, but that was off of a hot month and half start, and then along with Mrazek, gave us bottom 5 goaltending the rest of the way. Then posted a .897 and a 3.15GA in the 7 games in the playoffs, wasn’t his fault we lost, but you need to have better numbers then that.

 

[Jozay]

Cant exactly say id be thrilled to see the Leafs give Campbell a big long term deal, but it seems like thats the best option right now.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Anaheim is in a bit of a corner with Gibson too. Right now I would think he would be worth a first + good prospect, if he has another down year then Gibson will have little to no value trade wise.

 

[ToneDog]

Because Campbell crumbled in his first actual season as a starter, he made the all star team yes, but that was off of a hot month and half start, and then along with Mrazek, gave us bottom 5 goaltending the rest of the way. Then posted a .897 and a 3.15GA in the 7 games in the playoffs, wasn’t his fault we lost, but you need to have better numbers then that.

I'd like to see a change in goal as well but at least with Campbell we know what he can and can't be. Personally I like the cheaper, younger Blackwood for a 4th or prospect unless they know something we don't.

Anaheim is in a bit of a corner with Gibson too. Right now I would think he would be worth a first + good prospect, if he has another down year then Gibson will have little to no value trade wise.

If you acquire him and he has a bad year, you are left holding the bag. It would certainly be the end of Dubas.

But man if he could be the goalie he was here, it would be a thing of beauty. Not willing to pay to find out though. LOL

 

[Gilles Meloche]

I'd like to see a change in goal as well but at least with Campbell we know what he can and can't be. Personally I like the cheaper, younger Blackwood for a 4th or prospect unless they know something we don't.



If you acquire him and he has a bad year, yo are left holding the bag. It would certainly be the end of Dubas.

But man if he could be the goalie he was here, it would be a thing of beauty. Not willing to pay to find out though. LOL

I really believe Gibson is our “missing piece” and Dubas has to know if we don’t do some playoff damage this is his last year regardless.

For me Gibson is well worth the risk, especially seeing what is available for us.

Kuemper?? Probably signs for the same cap hit and longer term than what Gibson is signed for and I take a Gibson over Kuemper all day.

I have Gibson as a much better option than Campbell who probably signs for 5-million/year.

Varlamov?? Cheaper to acquire and only one year left on his contract.

Blackwood?? Comes with his own warts but half the cap hit but more of a 1B/bounce back acquisition but I think could be a steal but another risky add.

Murray?? I believe Dubas has interest but more of a fall back plan and, honestly, who would be comfortable with Murray coming in as your starting goalie (retained of course).

The issue is giving up assets for Gibson when you can sign one of the UFA goalies without giving anything up.

Gibson
Blackwood/Murray (retained)

Would be my top choices. Is Kuemper much of an upgrade over Campbell?? Swing for the fences Dubas…

 

[SprDaVE]

I said it about 10 or so months ago, 4 x 4M for Campbell seems like a good fair middle contract and it's still the same feeling. A bit of a term, a bit of a discount and it's slightly higher than Mrazek (at the time). Campbell reportedly wants over 5M and the Leafs were at around 3M.

 

[ToneDog]

I said it about 10 or so month ago, 4 x 4M for Campbell seems like a good fair middle contract and it's still the same feeling. A bit of a term, a bit of a discount and it's slightly higher than Mrazek (at the time). Campbell reportedly wants over 5M and the Leafs were at around 3M.

Looking like Soup gets closer the $6m Kyperos was pumping when Soup was playing lights out in the first half than what the Leafs want to sign him at. Might come down to how much more money is enough to make him move to Edmonton. Do I really, really want to leave a good thing ??

 

[Clark4Ever]

I really believe Gibson is our “missing piece” and Dubas has to know if we don’t do some playoff damage this is his last year regardless.

For me Gibson is well worth the risk, especially seeing what is available for us.

Kuemper?? Probably signs for the same cap hit and longer term than what Gibson is signed for and I take a Gibson over Kuemper all day.

I have Gibson as a much better option than Campbell who probably signs for 5-million/year.

Varlamov?? Cheaper to acquire and only one year left on his contract.

Blackwood?? Comes with his own warts but half the cap hit but more of a 1B/bounce back acquisition but I think could be a steal but another risky add.

Murray?? I believe Dubas has interest but more of a fall back plan and, honestly, who would be comfortable with Murray coming in as your starting goalie (retained of course).

The issue is giving up assets for Gibson when you can sign one of the UFA goalies without giving anything up.

Gibson
Blackwood/Murray (retained)

Would be my top choices. Is Kuemper much of an upgrade over Campbell?? Swing for the fences Dubas…

Agreed.

 

[SprDaVE]

I would be more than fine with taking a chance with Gibson if it was a trade that was in the vein of taking on Nikita Zaitsev. Not a pure cap dump, but mostly just shifting money and average assets involved.

The problem is that they want a lot of good future assets. I'm not sure it's worth dumping that many assets in a goaltender than has struggled over the last few years. That doesn't seem smart. So the price will have to significantly change or else the Ducks might as well keep him.

 

[Avilaj07]

Gibson should be this teams #1 target. Will it require getting rid of assets as opposed to just signing a goalie, yes, is it worth it, yes. Gibson is a legit #1 who is going to give you 60 games and while he hasn't been the greatest the last couple of years, I think a lot of that is also on the team in front of him.

To Toronto-
Gibson

To Anaheim-
Kerfoot
Robertson
1st Round Pick

 

[Warden of the North]

Disappointed we didn't trade kerfoot or holl

The summer is barely begun

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Does anybody have the most recent athletic article Lebrun wrote?

 

[dubplatepressure]

I really believe Gibson is our “missing piece” and Dubas has to know if we don’t do some playoff damage this is his last year regardless.

For me Gibson is well worth the risk, especially seeing what is available for us.

Kuemper?? Probably signs for the same cap hit and longer term than what Gibson is signed for and I take a Gibson over Kuemper all day.

I have Gibson as a much better option than Campbell who probably signs for 5-million/year.

Varlamov?? Cheaper to acquire and only one year left on his contract.

Blackwood?? Comes with his own warts but half the cap hit but more of a 1B/bounce back acquisition but I think could be a steal but another risky add.

Murray?? I believe Dubas has interest but more of a fall back plan and, honestly, who would be comfortable with Murray coming in as your starting goalie (retained of course).

The issue is giving up assets for Gibson when you can sign one of the UFA goalies without giving anything up.

Gibson
Blackwood/Murray (retained)

Would be my top choices. Is Kuemper much of an upgrade over Campbell?? Swing for the fences Dubas…

that's not even the issue IMO - I'd easily give up some assets for Gibson. The problem is the rumoured ask is outrageous - like a 1st, Robertson, Sandin, Holl level ridiculous. No f***ing thank you for that.

 

[jiggy35]

Now seems like nothing major happening - still want us to swing for Hellebucyk. But unlikely.

So the conservative approach is re-sign Campbell just above Husso for hopefully only 4 years at 5m. Get Comrie or Holtby at around 2m. Trade Kerfoot to Van or Seattle for some picks. Get Engvall at <1.5m and Sandin <1.4m.

My UFA targets are:
C. White at 2x1m
Domi 2x2m
Aston-Reese 3x1.5m
Kase League Min if he would take that


Bunting - Matthews - Marner/Nylander
Domi/Robertson - Tavares - Marner/Nylander
Domi/Robertson - White - Aston-Reese
Engvall - Kampf - Kase/Anderson/Steeves

Rielly - Brodie
Giordano - Liljegren
Muzzin - Holl/Sandin

Campbell - Comrie/Holtby

Leaves ~500,000 in cap space by these estimations.

2nd LW is still a risk but would hope hometown lights a fire under Domi. Good mix of guys in the bottom 6 - better than Simmonds/Clifford.

If Sandin doesn’t assert himself look for a serious D upgrade at deadline and maybe move Holl as well.

 

[Brobust]

Does anybody have the most recent athletic article Lebrun wrote?

Washington might be confident about getting Kuemper.

Edmonton vs Toronto for Jack Campbell.

Not much beyond that. If Toronto fails on Campbell, they'll shift to Talbot or Murray.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Washington might be confident about getting Kuemper.

Edmonton vs Toronto for Jack Campbell.

Not much beyond that. If Toronto fails on Campbell, they'll shift to Talbot or Murray.

I'd prefer Talbot at this point

 

[TheShape]

Interesting now that Kefoot's bonus was paid out and he is only owed $750k. He can be another own rental and we'll find a LWer who is harder to play against next off season. Or better perhaps it will be Knies.

Move on from Kerfoot already, I'd rather allocate that 3.5m on a legit top 6 forward or 3C.

Kerfoot and Holl for picks give us 5.5m extra to play around with.

 

[showtime8]

Washington might be confident about getting Kuemper.

Edmonton vs Toronto for Jack Campbell.

Not much beyond that. If Toronto fails on Campbell, they'll shift to Talbot or Murray.

There has to be something bigger on the back burner.

I'd love an answer before free agency opens though, otherwise they're going to be gambling from an area of weakness. And then we see another Mrazek type signing.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I would be willing to move one of Sandin/Robertson plus Kerfoot, Holl and a 1st round pick for Gibson.

Does Anaheim take that offer?

 

[ULF_55]

I would be more than fine with taking a chance with Gibson if it was a trade that was in the vein of taking on Nikita Zaitsev. Not a pure cap dump, but mostly just shifting money and average assets.

The problem is that they want a lot of good future assets. I'm not sure it's worth dumping that many assets in a goaltender than has struggled over the last few years. That doesn't seem smart. So the price will have to significantly change or else the Ducks might as well keep him.

Depends on acquisition cost.

If their selling him as a good #1 goaltender, they're going to have to fudge the numbers.

If you go back to when he was 25 and got 1 3rd. place vote for the Vezina maybe.
When his cap hit was $2.3mm.

Be like the Leafs trying to trade Tavares as a 47 goal scorer.
Tavares is still near PPG, but he hasn't scored over 30 goals in 3 years. (paced over 30 once).

Gibson's buyout in 2024 isn't horrible.

I don't see a rule against games played for conditional picks. I do know you cannot use a "re-sign" condition on trades anymore.

So if there could be a decent deal constructed that included games played, post-season games played included then I'd support that type of transaction. A transaction that is based on performance, not historical / near ancient history for NHL performance.

What does that look like?
Maybe something like this with or without retention (Leafs have to make it work).

Conditional 1st. round pick in 2023 if Gibson plays in 2023 playoffs, otherwise 2nd. round pick.
Choice of any forward not in (Matthews, marner, Nylander, Knies) (NMC / NTC where prohibited)
Choice of any defender not in (Rielly, Liljegren) (NMC / NTC where prohibited)
Conditional 1st. in 2025 if Gibson plays in the SCF.

 

[Nineteen67]

I would be willing to move one of Sandin/Robertson plus Kerfoot, Holl and a 1st round pick for Gibson.

Does Anaheim take that offer?

I don’t think it’ll cost that much.

 

[Americanadian]

With Forsberg staying in NSH and McDonagh coming aboard I wonder if they will make a push to be more competitive. I threw around the idea of Tomasino+17th OA for Nylander+Mrazek pre-draft. I wonder if they would be interested in a Nylander+Holl for Tomasino+Fabbro with McDonagh stepping into their top 4.

Tomasino is a soon to be 21 year old defensive RHC who has real offensive upside. He put up near identical P/G as Nylander in their D+2 years in the AHL. He put up 32 points this year while being statistically a top 10 defensive C. Tomasino's ELC has 2 years left (same term as Nylander), Toronto saves 6M over the next 2 seasons. Tomasino can either play RW with Tavares or 3C (Tomasino played RW last year, played C through junior).



Fabbro is a 24 year old RHD who played average 19min TOI this year and had top 50 WAR among D this year. Fabbro is signed at 2.4M for 1 more year and is an RFA on expiration. Fabbro pairs with Muzzin, Brodie pairs with Rielly and Gio-Lily are the 3rd pair.

 

[Budz]

It’s impossible to list preferences without knowing price to acquire etc or for FAs salary. With that - I will just say the following.

I go hard at Helly and Demko. Anyone not named Matthews is available.

I like Jack Campbell the guy and the team mate. I don’t want him back though. If they do - anything past a 2 year max term and 4.5 million is a mistake.

Do NOT get Gibson. So over rated by our fans. Please god no.

Kuemper is meh. I don’t mind the goalie, the contract will be rough though.

The other approach I could see is doing Talbot or another cheap option and run with them until the trade deadline.

It might be good for this team to have to work through the regular season and not just f*** around every night and still get well over 100 pts.

My ideal.

Is Talbot/Kallgren: use cap savings for to get an extra 3rd or 4th liner.

Then at the deadline get Helly.

 

[Stephen]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.