Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[BertCorbeau]

Nice deal for Flip. Very fair.

 

[Legion34]

He can be the priority but I don’t think we have the money for the shorter deal or the willingness to give term.

Multiple reports on Campbell to Edmonton. Will come down to term versus comfort. Hyman all over again.

Will see if Dubas goes to 4 years maybe he stays. Oil lost out on Markstrom because Calgary gave the extra year. I don’t think they will want to lose out again. I could see Edmonton doing 5 x 5 or even 5.5. Especially if other goalies suggest they don’t want to go there. Edmonton is not for everyone so if someone has interest they will overpay you seal the deal.

That being said none of these guys know what they are talking about. 2 days ago they had Kuemper returning to Colorado.

Also. This playoff might make people more comfortable. But Edmonton is not a fun place to live for pro athletes. Not a lot of guys really want to go there. It wasn’t just the uear. They offered 7 x 5.

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

If you want husso. Why not Eric Comrie? 4.75 x 3 for him is nuts.

 

[Americanadian]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

Yzerman offered 5 spots higher than Toronto's 3rd. It could have easily come down to that.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

I don’t think trading a 3rd for his rights was smart. Husso, while younger, is still 27 with 64 NHL games under his belt.

Giving up a pick and then signing him for a $4.75 AAV deal is pretty risky. I’m ok with my avoiding that.

Reminds me of the Koskinen deal.

Sign him if he’s a UFA? Sure.. for that AAV? Not desirable… and give a 3rd for his rights? Ehhhh don’t like it

 

[showtime8]

I would be willing to move one of Sandin/Robertson plus Kerfoot, Holl and a 1st round pick for Gibson.

Does Anaheim take that offer?

I think they do.

Although, I think it's going to be closer to Sandin, Kerfoot,Woll/Kallgren & a conditional 1st for Gibson and Max Jones.

Sandin is a 1st rounder that with development can grow into the 2nd pairing power play guy. I know they will put a lot of stock into Drysdale to be that guy as well, but you have that secondary offensive guy as well.

Kerfoot is a body at this point to offset some salary, but is still serviceable for a team that is in transition. Woll/Kallgren are basically blocked for 3 or 4 years and become irrelevant for development. The first round pick is top 5-10 protected.

 

[The Podium]

If the Leafs can get Campbell to a 4x4, I’d see if Ottawa was willing to do Murray (50%) + a sweetener

Campbell/Murray tandem at 7.2 mill isn’t bad value, plus recouping an asset

Move on from Kerfoot already, I'd rather allocate that 3.5m on a legit top 6 forward or 3C.

Kerfoot and Holl for picks give us 5.5m extra to play around with.

Might be waiting for a replacement before getting rid of them

 

[DougGilmour93]

Definitely warming up to the idea of Gibson as our starter. Nothing else out there that is available is all that enticing. I’d be willing to part with...
Kerfoot + Holl + Robertson/1st + Sandin for Comtois + Gibson (at 5m)

I’d consider Kuemper is we could get him at 4yrs x 5m.

I only contemplate Murray as a 1b if he’s bought out in Ottawa first.

Talbot as a 1a isn’t a sexy option but could work if we had a 1b of Samsonov or Blackwood or Murray (bought out).

Gonna be an interesting next few days that’s for sure. Hopefully Dubas knows what he is doing and doesn’t get screwed over.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I would be willing to move one of Sandin/Robertson plus Kerfoot, Holl and a 1st round pick for Gibson.

Does Anaheim take that offer?

Way too much for Gibson. He is still not a guy who should be getting premium assets, and he is still not a guy the Leafs should have high on their priority list.

If the Leafs can get Campbell to a 4x4, I’d see if Ottawa was willing to do Murray (50%) + a sweetener

Campbell/Murray tandem at 7.2 mill isn’t bad value, plus recouping an asset



Might be waiting for a replacement before getting rid of them

If they thought Minten was worth a high draft pick, they clearly did not think highly of the 2022 draft. They are probably content with getting 2023 or 2024 picks for those guys instead.

 

[TheShape]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

Husso term is spot on. I don't know if he is the real thing but I'd rather Husso at that deal than whatever Campbell/Kuemper + term are going to receive. I don't see either goalie levels above Husso.

In the end, all these options are underwhelming and come with some baggage.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Been wanting Adin Hill for 3 years now, really think he's worth taking a look at

 

[ULF_55]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

Wings didn't pay a great deal for him, but he did have to agree to sign.

Think maybe playing in Toronto as little more than a rookie keeper is scary?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Forsberg extends in Nashville - surprising for absolutely no one.

 

[Buds17]

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder at Husso. The trade cost and AAV was what you’d expect and probably cheaper than Campbell and Kuemper in the end. Plus he’s younger with more upside. Just don’t get how they were out maneuvered like that on such a critical decision.

The term on Husso's deal seems okay enough. That AAV is going to be something (more) for any GM interested in the likes of Kuemper and Campbell to negotiate against though IMO. While Husso is still fairly young, it sure seems like Detroit is mainly paying for potential right now.

 

[Stephen]

Wings didn't pay a great deal for him, but he did have to agree to sign.

Think maybe playing in Toronto as little more than a rookie keeper is scary?

Just feels like Detroit got the jump on Toronto. Can’t blame them for not being able to tamper harder on MAF, though I don’t know what the negotiating window rules are this year.

My feeling is the Leafs didn’t have a good read on the goalie landscape entering the draft and now have to choose to stand pat with Campbell after clearing cap to be serious.

 

[ULF_55]

I don’t think trading a 3rd for his rights was smart. Husso, while younger, is still 27 with 64 NHL games under his belt.

Giving up a pick and then signing him for a $4.75 AAV deal is pretty risky. I’m ok with my avoiding that.

Reminds me of the Koskinen deal.

Sign him if he’s a UFA? Sure.. for that AAV? Not desirable… and give a 3rd for his rights? Ehhhh don’t like it

They were discussing this yesterday and IIRC Burnside said, paraphrasing, Wings are gambling one of Nedeljkovic or Husso works out and they're set for quite some time.

 

[Eye Test]

None of the goalies on the market are better than a healthy Campbell. Just sign him and make sure his confidence stays high. We need a new back up though because Kallgren is a third stringer.

Sign someone like Copp or Nishkunin to play with Matthews.

Nish Matthews marner
Copp Tavares nylander
Engval kampf helm/kase
Kassian Holmberg Steeves/Anderson
Cogliano

Rielly brodie
Gio lilly
Sandin Zadorov
Lybush

Campbell
Dreiger
Kallgren

Muzzin and holl can bring in picks or holl can be the 7d.

 

[ULF_55]

Forsberg extends in Nashville - surprising for absolutely no one.

Well, it should shock some here who were trading Nylander because Forsberg was available!

 

[ULF_55]

Just feels like Detroit got the jump on Toronto. Can’t blame them for not being able to tamper harder on MAF, though I don’t know what the negotiating window rules are this year.

My feeling is the Leafs didn’t have a good read on the goalie landscape entering the draft and now have to choose to stand pat with Campbell after clearing cap to be serious.

My guess they knew what the market was, but have ideas, and Mrazek wasn't one of them.

Husso for example might be a tiny surprise but he is far from proven. Other than age, he's no more than Kallgren year 2 if Kallgren played on a good defensive team. Blues had a 3rd. keeper play 5 games for them this year and was outstanding.

 

[Stephen]

My guess they knew what the market was, but have ideas, and Mrazek wasn't one of them.

Husso for example might be a tiny surprise but he is far from proven. Other than age, he's no more than Kallgren year 2 if Kallgren played on a good defensive team. Blues had a 3rd. keeper play 5 games for them this year and was outstanding.
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Husso is completely unproven but was the Blues goalie of the future going back to the 2019 season when Binnington jumped the line and won the cup. I’d say he’s basically Campbell when we acquired him but the hope is you can lock him up and ride the upward career path.

 

[Stephen]

Also looking back on this process you kind of wish the Leafs had kept closer negotiating conversations with Jack and had not made it seem like it was headed for a divorce the way it’s been reported.

 

[jaric1862]

Realistically what does a Cam Talbot Trade look like?

 

[ULF_55]

Nice deal for Flip. Very fair.

Be paid 8.5 at age 35, but perhaps/likely a much lower % of Cap.

 

[kb]

Husso is completely unproven but was the Blues goalie of the future going back to the 2019 season when Binnington jumped the line and won the cup. I’d say he’s basically Campbell when we acquired him but the hope is you can lock him up and ride the upward career path.

Also looking back on this process you kind of wish the Leafs had kept closer negotiating conversations with Jack and had not made it seem like it was headed for a divorce the way it’s been reported.

Firstly, would you have signed Jack to that contract when he came here?

Secondly, you are taking the MSM as gospel. We all should know better. How often does Dubas poison a relationship?

 

[ULF_55]

Also looking back on this process you kind of wish the Leafs had kept closer negotiating conversations with Jack and had not made it seem like it was headed for a divorce the way it’s been reported.

Wasn't most of that was related to available cap.

"We paid a price to make space for you."

 

[Stephen]

Firstly, would you have signed Jack to that contract when he came here?

Secondly, you are taking the MSM as gospel. We all should know better. How often does Dubas poison a relationship?

Looking back on it all, last summer would have been the time to bet on Jack on a $3.5-4 million instead of giving the other guy a medium term deal.

Who do things need to be characterized as so dramatic? Leafs seemed to be looking to go in another direction and now they can’t…