Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Brobust]

Your analysis is fair and I agree with a lot of it, but it seems worst case scenario where as my assessment could be viewed as best case scenario. The truth is somewhere in the middle I guess. Either way somthing needs to be done.

I think it's always best to temper expectations with prospects. They mostly tend to fail.

By the way, do you think the Wild would accept 25th overall + 2nd + Niemela + Robertson for Kevin Fiala? By your standard we're overpaying a bit because Robertson's younger than Vilardi and we're not getting a good young defenceman back in return. I wonder what the Wild fans expect to get for him.

 

[Menzinger]

I get the feeling we’re going to be disappointed with this offseason

I think people wanting radical moves will certainly be. We may not even see guys like Muzzin or Kerfoot moved.

I expect the biggest changes to be a pair of new goalies and then a couple new bodies for the 3rd and 4th lines and a 7/6 D.

 

[Menzinger]

I still think the kings would be the best trade option for Nylander.
To
Toronto
2022 1st 19th overall
2022 2nd 51st overall
Vilardi
Faber
Lee

To
Kings
Nylander
Sandin


We gain another first potentially letting us draft two of ohgren, Mcgroarty, and Bischel. A mid round 2nd for another prospect. Vilardi who can still be a top 6c, Faber who projects to be a top 4 shutdown d and Lee who is a lesser version of knies. We lose willy and Rasmus but have the cap to replace willy with a burakovsky or copp and we have a log jam at LD. We would still have cap for a starter and could move Holl and kerfoot for more cap flexibility.

I don't see the incentive for the Leafs to lose the best asset in the deal + one of the teams top prospects and get a collection of decent but not prime pieces in return.

Late picks in particular don't do much for the team other than give them a bit more ammo at the tdl or a shot at a player 3-5 years down the line.

 

[ULF_55]

On teams like Minnesota that has plenty Kerfoot players or Tampa, he's. People like you are so Homer's, your blind. If Minnesota trades fiala, Rossi takes over and they will only have one line, fourth line open

If Tampa loses nick Paul, Same thing. Stop being a blind homer. Minnesota and Tampa gm aren't stupid abd you are Pawning Kerfoot on them.

Tampa is already over the cap and will be losing Palat and won't be able to afford Paul unless they move about what $8mm out.

 

[nuck]

I don't see the incentive for the Leafs to lose the best asset in the deal + one of the teams top prospects and get a collection of decent but not prime pieces in return.

Late picks in particular don't do much for the team other than give them a bit more ammo at the tdl or a shot at a player 3-5 years down the line.

Yeah thats like the reverse of loading up for a Cup run. Snowball's chance in hell Willie is moved but if he were there would need to be at least a quality top 9 talent with some cost control coming back along with other pieces. The window is now so unless those various and sundry parts are of immediate interest to another team with a player who can actually help the Leafs it doesn't seem like a thing.

 

[ULF_55]

I think people wanting radical moves will certainly be. We may not even see guys like Muzzin or Kerfoot moved.

I expect the biggest changes to be a pair of new goalies and then a couple new bodies for the 3rd and 4th lines and a 7/6 D.

They don't need to make major changes.
And trading a 1st. line winger for futures when the club is in a win now mode is silly.
And trading a 1st. line winger before the draft, and long before you know you can replace him in free agency for a team that is in a win now mode is even sillier.

 

[Americanadian]

Tampa is already over the cap and will be losing Palat and won't be able to afford Paul unless they move about what $8mm out.

They are under the cap once Seabrook goes on LTIR. If they sign Paul at 3.5M they will be fine. This will be their roster for reference:

 

[showtime8]

I think people wanting radical moves will certainly be. We may not even see guys like Muzzin or Kerfoot moved.

I expect the biggest changes to be a pair of new goalies and then a couple new bodies for the 3rd and 4th lines and a 7/6 D.

If the Leafs had slightly better goaltending in the series, do you think they win? Now put yourself in Dubas' position. He doesn't seem like the type to overhaul the roster. He would be more inclined to double down it seems. So it wouldn't surprise me if what you're saying is true.

 

[Brobust]

I think people wanting radical moves will certainly be. We may not even see guys like Muzzin or Kerfoot moved.

I expect the biggest changes to be a pair of new goalies and then a couple new bodies for the 3rd and 4th lines and a 7/6 D.

Nothing major, but I'd be shocked if they didn't add a top 6 LW. That 2nd line can't be such a defensive liability and they can't run so hot and cold.

 

[ULF_55]

They are under the cap once Seabrook goes on LTIR. If they sign Paul at 3.5M they will be fine. This will be their roster for reference:

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Paul 27, career high 20 points.

Someone might have buyers remorse.

 

[mydnyte]

Tampa is already over the cap and will be losing Palat and won't be able to afford Paul unless they move about what $8mm out.

Paul should come in well under 2 mil, i'd like him as a Mik replacement.
PK and solidify the bottom 6 and he can move up/down when needed too

If the Leafs had slightly better goaltending in the series, do you think they win? Now put yourself in Dubas' position. He doesn't seem like the type to overhaul the roster. He would be more inclined to double down it seems. So it wouldn't surprise me if what you're saying is true.

if the ref's didnt make the phantom call, followed up by another 'questionable' call for a LONG 5-3 Leafs would have advanced in 6, but, yea, better goaltending would have helped also

 

[ULF_55]

Pail should come in under 2 mil, i'd like him as a Mik replacement.
PK and solidify the bottom 6 and he can move up/down when needed too


if the ref's didnt make the phantom call, followed up by another 'questionable' call for a LONG 5-3 Leafs would have advanced in 6, but, yea, better goaltending would have helped also

At $2mm he'd be fine.

Too bad he didn't keep scoring he might have really hit a home run with these playoffs.

 

[mydnyte]

At $2mm he'd be fine.

Too bad he didn't keep scoring he might have really hit a home run with these playoffs.

its ironic, Paul cost TB pretty much nothing, and he's been a force, and Hagel cost them a ton, and he's pretty much been useless

 

[stickty111]

CJ said today there haven't been extension talks with Sandin but no rush. Says they need to decide if they are keeping him. Sandin wants to be a leaf. Thinks he stays a Leaf

 

[Legion34]

CJ said today there haven't been extension talks with Sandin but no rush. Says they need to decide if they are keeping him. Sandin wants to be a leaf. Thinks he stays a Leaf

If they are keeping him? I wonder who you would be targeted. I still think dach could work

 

[Stephen]

This board significantly underrates Roy. He would be the Leafs #1 RHD and a perfect fit with Rielly (strong defensively) and he's on a great contract for 2 more years (same term as Nylander). Him for Nylander 1 for 1 would legitimately be fair value based on on ice value and contract value imo.

That kind of Nylander trade looks like you’re trying to break $100 bill and saying “keep the change” when the other guy only has 3x $20’s.

 

[Americanadian]

That kind of Nylander trade looks like you’re trying to break $100 bill and saying “keep the change” when the other guy only has 3x $20’s.

In a world where they salary cap doesn't exist yes. I won't argue Roy is better than Nylander. I believe that they have similar value when you consider position and contract.

 

[Stephen]

In a world where they salary cap doesn't exist yes. I won't argue Roy is better than Nylander. I believe that they have similar value when you consider position and contract.

I would argue that when the shoe was on the other foot and Toronto had roster junk and depth they would never be able to package quantity for quality like that.

The only way I could see a Nylander deal happening is if we traded him for a high pick (so we can get a blue chipper to maybe replace Nylander down the road) and then used the cap savings to go shopping for a star UFA. Not adding quantity for quality.

 

[Americanadian]

I would argue that when the shoe was on the other foot and Toronto had roster junk and depth they would never be able to package quantity for quality like that.

The only way I could see a Nylander deal happening is if we traded him for a high pick (so we can get a blue chipper to maybe replace Nylander down the road) and then used the cap savings to go shopping for a star UFA. Not adding quantity for quality.

1 for 1 is not quantity for quality. The Leafs have legitimately not had a defenseman like Roy in the last 15 years (RHD that can play well against top competition). Part of the issue here is a lot of people are severely underrating Roy.

Trading Nylander for Roy is not my first choice. This thread stemmed from me commenting on someones proposal of Nylander for Roy+Kaliyev+Quick. I have said on this board my ideal Nylander trade is Nylander+Mrazek for Tomasino+17 OA.

 

[Stephen]

1 for 1 is not quantity for quality. The Leafs have legitimately not had a defenseman like Roy in the last 15 years (RHD that can play well against top competition). Part of the issue here is a lot of people are severely underrating Roy.

Trading Nylander for Roy is not my first choice. This thread stemmed from me commenting on someones proposal of Nylander for Roy+Kaliyev+Quick. I have said on this board my ideal Nylander trade is Nylander+Mrazek for Tomasino+17 OA.

Oh ok, I thought you had originated the Roy, Kaliyev and Quick package for Nylander, which was not good enough as a package for me to begin with.

But if you are proposing Matt Roy alone for Nylander, that is bad. Not that Roy wouldn't be a welcomed player type any day of the week, but that's Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson bad. That's a $100 bill for a $20 bill, keep the change type scenario.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ULF_55]

Sounds like someone who might work with Tavares.

Tavares for Bo, Leafs retain $3mm?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I thought he was eligible for more than an ELC. He would have been a great fit on our 2nd line with Tavares if all he was going to get was an ELC, even if it was only for one year.

 

[ULF_55]

So Malkin's contract will be a 35+ deal eh?

How long would you go?

 

[Kiwi]

So Malkin's contract will be a 35+ deal eh?

How long would you go?

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't win his services

Age and injuries are starting to pile up with him